Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico

Earlier today, the Supreme Court of New Mexico ruled that the First Amendment does not protect a Christian photographer's ability to decline to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony-even when doing so would violate the photographer's deeply held religious beliefs. Full Story

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#464 Sep 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Not one of those declarations involved a same sex couple. Do you have the right to marry in Michigan, just as heterosexuals do?
Irrelevant what couple was involved; they declared marriage to be a fundamental right.

Yes, I have the same right to marry in Michigan just as heteros do; but unfortunately that right is currently being unconstitutionally denied only to same-sex couples.

Doesn't mean the right doesn't exist.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#465 Sep 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Not one of those declarations involved a same sex couple. Do you have the right to marry in Michigan, just as heterosexuals do?
Of course, even if that right is not currently recognized.

In order to strip away a right, there needs to be some sort of rational reason. You have never been able to show any such reason for denying same sex couples the right to marry - no one has.

And that's why gay couples are winning so many court cases.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#466 Sep 8, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Of course, even if that right is not currently recognized.
In order to strip away a right, there needs to be some sort of rational reason. You have never been able to show any such reason for denying same sex couples the right to marry - no one has.
And that's why gay couples are winning so many court cases.
Gay couples will continue to win court cases because the courts have to uphold the statutory freedom and human rights that our country was founded upon. In a decade or so, SSM will be legal across the USA, the sun will still rise in the east and set in the west, and the foaming-at-the-mouth religious bigots will have to find another issue to save the rest of us from.

Since: Mar 09

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#467 Sep 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Not one of those declarations involved a same sex couple. Do you have the right to marry in Michigan, just as heterosexuals do?
Nope.

Heteros get to marry the person they love ... or for just about any rationale that suits their fancy.

We cannot.

Duh.

Since: Mar 09

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#468 Sep 8, 2013
sarahomo wrote:
<quoted text>don't have neither in meddle east !!!
Leave there.
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#469 Sep 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Not one of those declarations involved a same sex couple. Do you have the right to marry in Michigan, just as heterosexuals do?
They can go your YOUR State, get married, go back to Michigan and enjoy the exact same federal benefits you enjoy.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#470 Sep 8, 2013
Just an addendum. Not all homophobes are foaming at the mouth religious fanatics. Bigotry knows no bounds. Don't need another group to hate.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#471 Sep 8, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
Just an addendum. Not all homophobes are foaming at the mouth religious fanatics. Bigotry knows no bounds. Don't need another group to hate.
You're correct. I guess I will give up on my plan to move to Topeka, KS and create a church called "God Hates Bigots".

Since: Mar 09

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#472 Sep 8, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
Just an addendum. Not all homophobes are foaming at the mouth religious fanatics. Bigotry knows no bounds. Don't need another group to hate.
Scratch the surface of that bigotry, tracing it's etiology in the ideology of the person, and religion will usually crop up in there somewhere, at least as a rationalization.

It's LEARNED.

That means that there had to be a teacher.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#473 Sep 8, 2013
You try to make a causal link with religious beliefs and homophobia. I tend to believe it is more a correlate. That one tends to gravitate toward belief systems that bolster their view. Have always liked the UCDavis studies. Think they explain it pretty well. And especially the belief that homosexuality is chosen. Reminds me of a poster or two.

"...these are correlations, not statements of causal relationships. When two variables are correlated, it is possible that one causes the other (although which variable is the cause and which is the consequence cannot be known simply from a correlation). It is also possible that both variables are caused by a third variable."

"For example, as shown below, the belief that homosexuality is freely chosen is correlated with higher levels of sexual prejudice. This relationship may mean that believing homosexuality to be a choice leads a person to hold negative attitudes toward gay men and lesbians. Or it may mean that people who hold negative attitudes are more receptive to beliefs that seem to attach blame to gay men and lesbians."

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/se...

Definitely worth a read. They have done some interesting studies with homophobic men and their increased arousal looking at homosexual "porn".

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#474 Sep 8, 2013
McCarthey era laws targeted gay people for punishment: "The federal government banned the employment of homosexuals and insisted that its private contractors ferret out and dismiss their gay employees, many state governments prohibited gay people from being served in bars and restaurants."

"Many municipalities launched police campaigns to suppress gay life. The authorities worked together to create or reinforce the belief that gay people were an inferior class to be shunned by other Americans. Sodomy laws that exclusively targeted same-sex couples, such as the statute enacted in 1973 in Texas (1973 TEX. GEN. LAWS ch. 399, 1, 3), were a development of the last third of the twentieth century and reflect this historically unprecedented concern to classify and penalize homosexuals as a subordinate class of citizens." http://hnn.us/articles/1539.html

Again, irrational to believe 30 activists could intimidate every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the country, especially during the 60's and 70's.

Since: Jun 11

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#475 Sep 8, 2013
Ooopps. Wrong thread.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#476 Sep 8, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Ooopps. Wrong thread.
Well, which thread?

Since: Jan 11

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#477 Sep 8, 2013
No one seems to have asked the central question: when did running a secular business become a form of religious expression?

Since: Mar 09

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#478 Sep 8, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
You try to make a causal link with religious beliefs and homophobia. I tend to believe it is more a correlate. That one tends to gravitate toward belief systems that bolster their view. Have always liked the UCDavis studies. Think they explain it pretty well. And especially the belief that homosexuality is chosen. Reminds me of a poster or two.
"...these are correlations, not statements of causal relationships. When two variables are correlated, it is possible that one causes the other (although which variable is the cause and which is the consequence cannot be known simply from a correlation). It is also possible that both variables are caused by a third variable."
"For example, as shown below, the belief that homosexuality is freely chosen is correlated with higher levels of sexual prejudice. This relationship may mean that believing homosexuality to be a choice leads a person to hold negative attitudes toward gay men and lesbians. Or it may mean that people who hold negative attitudes are more receptive to beliefs that seem to attach blame to gay men and lesbians."
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/se...
Definitely worth a read. They have done some interesting studies with homophobic men and their increased arousal looking at homosexual "porn".
This is by far your best post yet, AND you didn't rise to the bait.

Mirabile visu!

I'm very acquainted with the Davis research. Glad that you are, too.

Since: Mar 09

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#479 Sep 8, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
McCarthey era laws targeted gay people for punishment: "The federal government banned the employment of homosexuals and insisted that its private contractors ferret out and dismiss their gay employees, many state governments prohibited gay people from being served in bars and restaurants."
"Many municipalities launched police campaigns to suppress gay life. The authorities worked together to create or reinforce the belief that gay people were an inferior class to be shunned by other Americans. Sodomy laws that exclusively targeted same-sex couples, such as the statute enacted in 1973 in Texas (1973 TEX. GEN. LAWS ch. 399, 1, 3), were a development of the last third of the twentieth century and reflect this historically unprecedented concern to classify and penalize homosexuals as a subordinate class of citizens." http://hnn.us/articles/1539.html
Again, irrational to believe 30 activists could intimidate every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the country, especially during the 60's and 70's.
WOW! INDEEDIE!

Two excellent posts in a row!

"I'm all verklemt! Please. Talk amongst yourselves ... I'll suggest a topic ... " - Joan Rivers

Since: Mar 09

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#480 Sep 8, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
No one seems to have asked the central question: when did running a secular business become a form of religious expression?
Uh ... um ... uh ... from way back in the days of Saul of Tarsus all the way down to revival meetings and professional religious music groups ...

... No wait! I thought you said "Running a religion as a business."

Sorry.

My bad.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#481 Sep 8, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
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Well, which thread?
It popped up on a couple threads. One was the Hawaii thread. It may have been here as well.

While here....

"I believe all Americans who believe in freedom, tolerance and human rights have a responsibility to oppose bigotry and prejudice based on sexual orientation."
Coretta Scott King

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#482 Sep 9, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
No one seems to have asked the central question: when did running a secular business become a form of religious expression?
It obviously hasn't.

It's simply an excuse to attempt to discriminate against a group they don't like.
davy

Rio Rancho, NM

#483 Sep 9, 2013
would you support my right to open a restaurant that refuses to serve blacks?
JayC wrote:
It seems if it bothers an individual to photograph something they feel is wrong, there would be plenty of other photo hags to replace....Doesn't seem right to force the Govts morality on all.
Land of the Free kinda thing.

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