Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Li...

Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico

There are 1050 comments on the The Heritage Foundation story from Aug 22, 2013, titled Same-Sex Marriage Trumps Religious Liberty in New Mexico. In it, The Heritage Foundation reports that:

Earlier today, the Supreme Court of New Mexico ruled that the First Amendment does not protect a Christian photographer's ability to decline to take pictures of a same-sex commitment ceremony-even when doing so would violate the photographer's deeply held religious beliefs.

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Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#277 Aug 31, 2013
MISCEGENATION comes into play! wow!! Jefferson was so kind to the women he chose! Adieu mon ami.

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#278 Aug 31, 2013
Rose Feratu wrote:
<quoted text> It's a good thing!
Looking forward to the day I can drop the Not Yet, from Not Yet Equal. Unfortunately, not yet.

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#279 Aug 31, 2013
And once again we see the ad hominem tactic being played. When you can't disagree with the words and ideas being expressed without looking irrational or cruel, attack the human in an attempt to discredit the message.

Jefferson knew where he was living and in what time he was living. He knew history well enough to understand prejudice and discrimination are always harmful and have no place in the law.

That he couldn't change the world overnight, doesn't mean he did not understand times were changing and human rights were becoming more widely recognized. As his writings reveal, he expected progress, and tried to frame a foundation to promote progress. I'm sure he could envision a time when society would hold these truths to be self evident: that all are equal under the law, and that our rights are unalienable.

Imagine.

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#280 Aug 31, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
MISCEGENATION comes into play! wow!! Jefferson was so kind to the women he chose! Adieu mon ami.
"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." - Jefferson

Care to refute his ideals as expressed in his writings? All are equal? That he wasn't able to live up to what even he imagined as best, doesn't diminish the principal.

(or don't throw the baby out with the bath water.)

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Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#281 Sep 1, 2013
Refute Jefferson's ideas? He was a good thinker, he had modern ideas. He's on the TOP even now. Our ways of thinking is bound by the society where we live.'Thinking' depends as to who, where and when anything takes place.'Ideas' give us the feeling that we are free and that our expressions completely go with the current way of life. How would Jefferson look at the Mexico and her citizens of today? Mexico was closely connected to the French wannabes', the self made aristocrats.`Que no?

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Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#282 Sep 1, 2013
Homosexuality wasn't even in the picture, just as something else t do. A 'gotta do what you gotta do' way of thinking. Bright idea/

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#283 Sep 1, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
Homosexuality wasn't even in the picture, just as something else t do. A 'gotta do what you gotta do' way of thinking. Bright idea/
Yet, we know gay people have always existed.

The fact they have been severely punished as well as accepted and even revered at various times and places throughout history and around the world, provides no excuse for denial of equal protections of the law as required by the constitution. It harms others needlessly.

Again:
"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." ( Jefferson)

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#284 Sep 1, 2013
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Albert Einstein
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Tyngsboro, MA

#285 Sep 1, 2013
Rose Feratu wrote:
He CERTAINLY had no problem with fathering children by his slaves.
Because hew never chose male slaves.

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Since: Aug 08

Dear old mucky Drasnia

#286 Sep 1, 2013
Yesterday I helped a couple who have been together for 38 years design their wedding rings. The reason they have not gotten married was that until a few days ago, they could not, simply because they were both women.

So now tell me, how does their marriage threaten your heterosexual marriage? I am dead serious. Answer the question, or piss off.

Incidentally, after work, while walking to pick up my car from my fiancee, I was mugged. The mugger had a cross tattooed on his arm. I found that rather ironic.

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Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#287 Sep 1, 2013
to me that Jefferson saying simply says 'grow up' study the situation, test it, there's little you as an individual can do, so, breathe, exhale and carry on.

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#288 Sep 1, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
Homosexuality wasn't even in the picture, just as something else t do. A 'gotta do what you gotta do' way of thinking. Bright idea/
I'm not sure what you are saying here.

Care to expand a bit?

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Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#289 Sep 1, 2013
by Biblical standards homosexuality is a grave SIN but human nature being what it is has always managed to not take the matter seriously. It becomes a curiosity to be fulfilled and carried on for different reasons. Some accept it as a way of life and so be it. Homosexuality, for the most part, is not regularly welcomed in many circles. Violence has been the result many times and that is no solution. Such a tendency needs to be thought of as to our civilized existence.

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#290 Sep 1, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
... Such a tendency needs to be thought of as to our civilized existence.
Again, I'm not sure what you mean here.

Could you please rephrase the idea?

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#291 Sep 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, I'm not sure what you mean here.
Could you please rephrase the idea?
Nice of you to ask...

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#292 Sep 1, 2013
LuzAranda wrote:
by Biblical standards homosexuality is a grave SIN but human nature being what it is has always managed to not take the matter seriously. It becomes a curiosity to be fulfilled and carried on for different reasons. Some accept it as a way of life and so be it. Homosexuality, for the most part, is not regularly welcomed in many circles. Violence has been the result many times and that is no solution. Such a tendency needs to be thought of as to our civilized existence.
"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

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#293 Sep 1, 2013
"God is not a Homophobe: An unbiased look at Homosexuality in the Bible" by Philo Thelos

"Several books already exist attempting to demonstrate that the Christian Bible does not, in fact, condemn consenting-adult homosexuality. But God is Not a Homophobe has a unique perspective in that the author has a lifetime of experience in pastoring hard-core fundamentalist churches. His former bitter opposition to all forms of homosexuality has given way to a rational, unbiased acceptance that the Bible says hardly anything about homosexuality, and what it does say cannot honestly be used to condemn consenting same-sex unions."

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#294 Sep 1, 2013
"The New Testament and Homosexuality" Robin Scroggs, Prof of New Testament at Union Theological Seminary is a serious theologian and is favorable reviewed by many theologians. He is a happily married heterosexual with no personal bias. He includes cites from Boswell and expands further especially on pederasty and concludes there is nothing biblically wrong with homosexuality.

"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts."

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Since: Aug 08

Dear old mucky Drasnia

#295 Sep 2, 2013
The bible also says disobedient children are too be beaten to death with rocks. Think of that the next time little Billy doesn't want to eat his spinach.

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Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#296 Sep 2, 2013
oh sorry to hear that's why you are the way you are... stones didn't finish the job but left head injuries. OUCH. Sorry,again

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