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[Faeque]

MEE12 wrote:

As you say Rajesh was an excellent actor....a all rounder...did he do any comedy in his acting???? or can he do comedy???

What about SRK Khan?

[MEE12]

Faeque wrote:

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What about SRK Khan?

We are discussing a different era...SRK does not fit in the equation.

[MEE12]

radzi wrote:

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Rajesh Khanna is a lover....not a Don and local crook!
He was a postman...cook...station master...pilot..forestry officer...barber...cancer patients etc. In those value add peaceful roles....he did not need to fight.
...and we love those "peaceful" roles.
In and angry roles of Amit....he had to go thru all those stunts and fights. We hate "angry man"...and the Dons.

You need to understand that Dharm & Amitabh did all sorts of roles...which include romantic, action, comedy and "peaceful" roles...BUT Rajesh Khanna couldn't do comedy!!!! His superstar status did not last very long....Amitabh took over and became "Superstar" and his is crowned "Superstar of the Millenium", and in Madame Tussauds!!! Rajesh Khanna was nothing compare to Dharmendra...same story back in those days i.e now SRK is superstar, but we all know that Amir Khan is a better actor...thats what happened back in the 70's Rajesh superstar and Dharmendra is a better actor.

[MEE12]

EX-Kabeer wrote:

MEE12,
You really need not only eye test but total mental evaluation.
Amitabh always had lady hips right from days of Anand. Watch Anand again.
It is a fact that Amitabh is a very mediocre act (he accepted that to IBN recently) and hardly has any quality film under his belt just like Dharmendra and others that you have mentioned.
I'd also like to clarify that Sanjeev Kumar was in a totally different league. Even actors like Naseer and Om puri look like pygmy infront of him forget Rajesh Khanna and Amitabh.

To see if someone has lady hips you need EYES, mental equation does not come into it. I dont think you have clear vision. Let me tell you the meaning of lady hips...eg "Wide Hips". I dont need to watch Anand...the known fact is that both Rajesh and Shashi Kapoor had lady hips.

Both Dharmendra & Amitabh have the biggest ever blockbuster in hindi cinema "SHOLAY" and your telling me that they have nothing under their belts!! Rajesh had "Anuraag"...side role to Vinod Mehra in that year!!!

[indokarasan]

Top films of Amitabh:

Deewar
Trisul
Faraar
Satee pe saata
Kasme wadee----just to name a few

[MEE12]

EX-Kabeer wrote:

So you consider Sholay to be Amitabh's film. Amitabh was a sidekick and nothing more than that. It was out and out Amjad Khan's film ably supported by Dharmendra.
You are so blindly in love with melodramatic Amitabh that you are crediting him with films like Sholay.
Pl. mention just one quality film that Amitabh did (solo).
I can only think of Kuli, Mard, Shenshah..Wow what quality.
Amitabh too has broad hips that you call lady hips. His hips are wider than Hema Malini's hips. Watch Baghban or Sholay.

Are you blind???

[MEE12]

EX-Kabeer wrote:

So you consider Sholay to be Amitabh's film. Amitabh was a sidekick and nothing more than that. It was out and out Amjad Khan's film ably supported by Dharmendra.
You are so blindly in love with melodramatic Amitabh that you are crediting him with films like Sholay.
Pl. mention just one quality film that Amitabh did (solo).
I can only think of Kuli, Mard, Shenshah..Wow what quality.
Amitabh too has broad hips that you call lady hips. His hips are wider than Hema Malini's hips. Watch Baghban or Sholay.

It's strange that you can think of 3 solo Amitabh movies, then in your last paragraph you mention Bhagban? Is Bhagban a solo??? You tell me??

[MEE12]

EX-Kabeer wrote:

So you consider Sholay to be Amitabh's film. Amitabh was a sidekick and nothing more than that. It was out and out Amjad Khan's film ably supported by Dharmendra.
You are so blindly in love with melodramatic Amitabh that you are crediting him with films like Sholay.
Pl. mention just one quality film that Amitabh did (solo).
I can only think of Kuli, Mard, Shenshah..Wow what quality.
Amitabh too has broad hips that you call lady hips. His hips are wider than Hema Malini's hips. Watch Baghban or Sholay.

If you watch Prem Kahani..you will see Rajesh and Shashi with lady hips!!!

[Abhijit]

Superstar Rajesh Khanna's Class Comedy performances with class characterization:

JORU KA GULAM, JANTA HAWALDAR, DIL DAULAT DUNIA, ALAG ALAG, ANURODH, AAJ KA MLA, ETC.

But these are not cheap comedy like Amit's or Dharams Amar Akbar, Mard, Lawaris, Pratigya, Do aur Do panch, Ram Balram etc. which are especially meant for Indokarsan or MEE 12.

RAJESH KHANNA'S PERFORMANCES ARE BASED ON CHARACTERIZATION AND OTHERS ARE PERSONIFICATION. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON THAT ONLY RAJEHS KHANNA IS THE AWARDEE OF DADA SAHEB PHALKE GOLDEN ACTOR.

[Indokarasan]

Abhijit
Try to spell Rajesh Khanna properly first.
You forgot to mention how funny your idol was in Jaana.
If the above mentioned films are for fans like me and Mee12 then the films like blockbuster Jaana are for YOU only.
Please explain the meaning of "cheap comedy"
Is this where RK has asked for a lot of money or Dharamji or AB asked for less money.

This flipin award you repeat in EVERY FORUM, is it one of the most highly recognised in YOUR household. Also explain how RK acts from heart and other actors act from *rse.

You dont need to repeat FIRST SUPERSTAR.
We have had this conversation before.

There is always first of everything, 1st prime minister, 1st man on the moon, etc.
If RK was born before others then he is most likely to be the 1st.

Your forum replies are sooooo predictable they are not worth reading

[Abhijit]

Indokarasan wrote:

Abhijit
Try to spell Rajesh Khanna properly first.
You forgot to mention how funny your idol was in Jaana.
If the above mentioned films are for fans like me and Mee12 then the films like blockbuster Jaana are for YOU only.
Please explain the meaning of "cheap comedy"
Is this where RK has asked for a lot of money or Dharamji or AB asked for less money.
This flipin award you repeat in EVERY FORUM, is it one of the most highly recognised in YOUR household. Also explain how RK acts from heart and other actors act from *rse.
You dont need to repeat FIRST SUPERSTAR.
We have had this conversation before.
There is always first of everything, 1st prime minister, 1st man on the moon, etc.
If RK was born before others then he is most likely to be the 1st.
Your forum replies are sooooo predictable they are not worth reading

Try to learn the meaning of CHARACTERIZATION and PERSONIFICATION and bring a CD/DVD of Kishore Kumar Hits, wherein songs picturaized on Rajesh Khanna, Dharam, Amit, etc. are available. Watch this CD/DVD with due concentration and you will find the meaning of depth touches and performance by heart.

An award bigger than Dada Saheb Phalke in film line; I do not think exists.

[Abhijit]

Indokarasan wrote:

Abhijit
Try to spell Rajesh Khanna properly first.
You forgot to mention how funny your idol was in Jaana.
If the above mentioned films are for fans like me and Mee12 then the films like blockbuster Jaana are for YOU only.
Please explain the meaning of "cheap comedy"
Is this where RK has asked for a lot of money or Dharamji or AB asked for less money.
This flipin award you repeat in EVERY FORUM, is it one of the most highly recognised in YOUR household. Also explain how RK acts from heart and other actors act from *rse.
You dont need to repeat FIRST SUPERSTAR.
We have had this conversation before.
There is always first of everything, 1st prime minister, 1st man on the moon, etc.
If RK was born before others then he is most likely to be the 1st.
Your forum replies are sooooo predictable they are not worth reading

Cheap comedy means: done by AB in Lawaris or Sharabi or Mard or Naseeb, etc. or Dharamji in Sholay (Tank scene), Pratigya, etc.

[Abhijit]

Indokarasan wrote:

Abhijit
Try to spell Rajesh Khanna properly first.
You forgot to mention how funny your idol was in Jaana.
If the above mentioned films are for fans like me and Mee12 then the films like blockbuster Jaana are for YOU only.
Please explain the meaning of "cheap comedy"
Is this where RK has asked for a lot of money or Dharamji or AB asked for less money.
This flipin award you repeat in EVERY FORUM, is it one of the most highly recognised in YOUR household. Also explain how RK acts from heart and other actors act from *rse.
You dont need to repeat FIRST SUPERSTAR.
We have had this conversation before.
There is always first of everything, 1st prime minister, 1st man on the moon, etc.
If RK was born before others then he is most likely to be the 1st.
Your forum replies are sooooo predictable they are not worth reading

There is always first of everything, 1st prime minister, 1st man on the moon, etc.
If RK was born before others then he is most likely to be the 1st--

What a brilliant logic??? There were so many born before RK in film land, but the title Superstar first time introduced for RK only in the history of film world. Now this credit has no meaning for people like you; ha ha ha....... THIS IS CALLED MANIPULATION OF HISTORIC FACTS BY THE BIG FRAUD AND HIS CHAMCHAS.

[Abhijit]

MEE12 wrote:

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To see if someone has lady hips you need EYES, mental equation does not come into it. I dont think you have clear vision. Let me tell you the meaning of lady hips...eg "Wide Hips". I dont need to watch Anand...the known fact is that both Rajesh and Shashi Kapoor had lady hips.
Both Dharmendra & Amitabh have the biggest ever blockbuster in hindi cinema "SHOLAY" and your telling me that they have nothing under their belts!! Rajesh had "Anuraag"...side role to Vinod Mehra in that year!!!

Rajesh had "Anuraag"...side role to Vinod Mehra in that year!!!
Mr. Idiot: In Anuraag Rajesh had SPECIAL APPEARANCE FREE OF COST. But he won FILMFARE SPECIAL AWARD FOR HIS CLASSIC CHARACTERIZATION AS BHOJPURI FLOWER SELLER; a purely non-glamorous character played by First Superstar and Glamour King during his kingdom. Nobody except Kaka has shown this type of boldness in his career.

[Abhijit]

This is for Mr. Mee 12 and Mr. Indokarson--

Stars need not be actors. Actors play other people. Stars play themselves.-- Jerry Pinto

HERE RAJESH KHANNA IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS. However, the most significant fact is that by maintaining the definition of an Actor, Rajesh Khanna is the FIRST SUPERSTAR OF INDIAN CINE WORLD. HERE BORNS RAJESH KHANNA: A PHENOMENON.

[Indokarasan]

Abhijit

I honesly haven't picked up anything new in the 4/5 replies in this forum debate.
You have again repeated what you have been druming for the last 4 decades.
You failed to reply to my question about how good was Janaa.
I really think you need to stop repeating words like:
first superstar
characterization
big begger
cheap stuff.

its quite obious you haven't seen Sholay as YOU are the only person in the world to knock it.
This is the ONLY film our grand children will see ---non of RK's

You really are desperate to push RK publicity in no means by hook or crook

[Indokarasan]

EX-Kabeer wrote:

Deewar - What kind of movie was that? The movie based on underworld and typical hindi masala stuff. Good for Dharavi people. It actually downgraded cinema by promoting cheap violence.
Trisul - Same as deewar. No substance only dishum dishum.
Faraar - All credit goes to Sharmila tagore. Amitabh was total waste.
Satee pe saata - A copy of English movie. Cheap diologues and over-acting.
Kasme wadee - It was OK by bollywood standard but not a very quality film. Typical masala movie.

Ex kabeer

I was giving my opinion of the films I like not the world.
These are the films I could watch again and again.
I am sure there are other people who like them as well and not

[MEE12]

EX-Kabeer wrote:

Deewar - What kind of movie was that? The movie based on underworld and typical hindi masala stuff. Good for Dharavi people. It actually downgraded cinema by promoting cheap violence.
Trisul - Same as deewar. No substance only dishum dishum.
Faraar - All credit goes to Sharmila tagore. Amitabh was total waste.
Satee pe saata - A copy of English movie. Cheap diologues and over-acting.
Kasme wadee - It was OK by bollywood standard but not a very quality film. Typical masala movie.

You name some quality Rajesh Khanna movie's????

Superstar of Millenium is Amitabh.....Rajesh Superstar status was short lived im afraid???

[MEE12]

sanjay wrote:

Dharam had a very good physique. Accepted. But that is just about it.
He was the perennial no.2 to kaka & later amit. He did try to do serious work in an odd film like satyakam, but otherwise he did only action films.
The only film where he tried some meaningful comedy was chupke chupke where amit too had a comic role.
Rajesh too did not try his hand in comedy save very few films like aaj ka MLA, nishan.
But if U see the multistarrers that dharam & kaka figured in like dharam aur kaanoon, rajput, khamoshi, it was rajesh who had the better role.
Dharam was no doubt a very big star & definitely lasted for a longer period but he fell short of being termed superstar.
That applies only to khanna & subsequently to amit.
Comparing amit & kaka, if U compare the quality of their films, definitely khana scores. I am not talking about box office performance here.
Amit was unfortunaltey slotted in the "angry young man" image & could not get out of it. He combined comedy with action & did a serious roles when pitted against performers like sanjeev kumar in silsila, trishul & sholay, he was found wanting.
The classic case is shkathi where dilip kumar was head & shoulders above him ( not in height but in performance).
Amit also acted in many multistarrers & this helped his films to a large extent. Even there in kala pathar, shatrughan sinha walked away with the accolades as he did in dostana.
Kaka never shied away from acting with big stars. He held his own with shashi like premm kahani & alag alag, with sanjeev in aap ki kasam & against raaj kumar in maryada, dharam kanta & kudrat.
He was the perhaps the only star who has done the least number of multistarrers. Hit or flop - the onus was on rajesh khanna.
He did a film like red rose which any star would even refused to touch with a barge pole. His avtaar was perhaps the first hindi film which looked at the compulsions that old people faced.
The "living together without mnarraige" was handled by him in the B.R chopra directed "karm", that too in the 80s when the toipic was totally taboo in the society.(it still is).
Many of kaka's films were flops during the later half of the 80s but that again did not stop directors from approaching him for meaninful roles.
Of course, he too did duds like maqsad, masterji but those were far & few in between.

You need to understand that Dharmendra was never no.2 to Rajesh, in fact he had the biggest hit in Indian cinema with “Sholay” DURING Rajesh’s short lived superstar status. None of Rajesh’s films EVER reached the success of “Sholay” again a FACT!!

When defending Rajesh Khanna you don’t have a “leg to stand on”. You’re in a losing side with a weak case. The majority of the public will agree with me that both actors (Dharm & Amitabh) were better and will individually score 80% of public vote and 20% for Rajesh Khanna. Don’t compare Rajesh (lady hips) with Dharmendra and Amitabh, they are both head and shoulders above him.

The song in Naseeb “John Jaani Janardhan” easily shows that Dharmendra had a bigger celebrity entrance than Rajesh. Does that tell you something or are you blind that did not see it.

When Dharmendra & Rajesh were paired in Rajput, again Dharmendra had a better, bigger and a stronger role, he was also given a better song originally sang by Mohd Rafi. Rajesh’s role was only in the beginning and at the end of that movie. In Dharam aur Kanoon they were both neck and neck. But don’t compare Dharm’s role in Khamoshi, as you will know he was only a guest appearance. It’s like me saying Vinod Mehra was given a better role in Anuraag than Rajesh Khanna or was he guest appearance??

Dharmendra didn’t need the superstar status, he was “Garam Dharm”“The Dashing Dharmendra” and above all public’s favourite aka people’s choice. Rajesh did not have class in his acting he copied Dev Anand again another FACT.

[MEE12]

You need to understand that Dharmendra was never no.2 to Rajesh, in fact he had the biggest hit in Indian cinema with “Sholay” DURING Rajesh’s short lived superstar status. None of Rajesh’s films EVER reached the success of “Sholay” again a FACT!!

When defending Rajesh Khanna you don’t have a “leg to stand on”. You’re in a losing side with a weak case. The majority of the public will agree with me that both actors (Dharm & Amitabh) were better and will individually score 80% of public vote and 20% for Rajesh Khanna. Don’t compare Rajesh (lady hips) with Dharmendra and Amitabh, they are both head and shoulders above him.

The song in Naseeb “John Jaani Janardhan” easily shows that Dharmendra had a bigger celebrity entrance than Rajesh. Does that tell you something or are you blind that did not see it.

When Dharmendra & Rajesh were paired in Rajput, again Dharmendra had a better, bigger and a stronger role, he was also given a better song originally sang by Mohd Rafi. Rajesh’s role was only in the beginning and at the end of that movie. In Dharam aur Kanoon they were both neck and neck. But don’t compare Dharm’s role in Khamoshi, as you will know he was only a guest appearance. It’s like me saying Vinod Mehra was given a better role in Anuraag than Rajesh Khanna or was he guest appearance??

Dharmendra didn’t need the superstar status, he was “Garam Dharm”“The Dashing Dharmendra” and above all public’s favourite aka people’s choice. Rajesh did not have class in his acting he copied Dev Anand again another FACT.