How much of a difference is there bet...

How much of a difference is there between Russian and Checcetti ballet?

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marcie

New Baltimore, MI

#1 Jun 14, 2008
How much of a difference is there between Russian and Checcetti ballet? which is better to know?
i've been training russian for the past 9 years, and i was considering a new studio..the problem is, they only offer checcitti...would it be hard for me to switch? should i switch, or is russian better to know?
i really like the russian technique, but the studio i'm going to now is about 45 minutes away from my house, and my mom is tired of driving me that far 3-4 or sometimes more times a week, so she told me to find a studio closer to our house. it seems like all the studios near me only offer checcetti!
Which do you like better?
Thanks so much!

“dance”

Since: Oct 07

in Wyoming

#2 Jun 15, 2008
Not too much. It's the little things that make the difference. Vagonova (Russian) releves, I pop up onto my pointe, where as Cecchetti (Italian) one rolls up onto pointe is releve' The position and movement of the foot in doing a frappe is distinctly different, too. They're just detail adjustments. No biggies.

I started with Cecchetti, moved to Balanchine, and now I do Vagonova. They are all great techniques and distinctly different. Similar enough, that changing wont be a big deal. Just know there is a few changes you'll have to make technique wise.

I like Vagonova the best, but that's just me!! If it was considered the best by all, the other styles wouldn't be taught anymore. Obviously that is not the case.

Who knows! You might like that better than the Russian style you're doing now! Good luck.
marcie

New Baltimore, MI

#3 Jun 19, 2008
thanks...i might try taking a class of each (or 1 of one style and 2 of the other, something like that)
victoria

Auburn Hills, MI

#4 Jan 23, 2009
i go to a performing arts highschoool where i do cecchetti but im trained in rad. its different ( the poistions and names ) but if you know the difference its not that diffcult. hope that helps.
Dibee

United States

#5 Jan 25, 2009
Hi. Cecchetti and R.A.D. are systems of grades and examinations. Vaganova also has that, but is probably closer to being a professional training program in and of itself. Cecchetti or R.A.D. training does not produce professional dancers without additional training including broader styles.

“Dance is essential”

Since: Jan 09

Aveiro

#6 Jan 26, 2009
well, I have studied both styles, and basically the bigger differences are technical,
- the numbering of the corners
- the evolution of the exercises (like, in cecchetti the evolution in the earlier years is more slow and steady because they focus a lot in the technique, but in the more advanced years you do a lot of progression in the class; for vaganova already from the beggining you are exposed to a lot of technique, like, you start doing doubles (fondus, frappés, pirouettes) and other stuff one year or two earlier)
- the execution of some steps is different (like frappé, rond de jambe en l'air, etc.)
- the use of the head and arms is different (I personally think that cecchetti is more advanced in that matter, as there are a lot of exercises were the coordination between both is very challenging)
- the execution of the ports de bras is different
- cecchetti is more advanced rithmically, although the exercises in overall may seem simplier
- cecchetti has a lot of focus on balance - pirouettes.
Well, at least these are the bigger diferences I can remember just now. I think you should try out the cecchetti classes, because they develop a lot of technique, although sometimes if you're not really paying attention to all the technicalities you'll may think the classes are a little boring due to the fact that some exercises are done slower, but that's to make you focus more on what you're doing. I actually like a lot cecchetti, but you have to be psycologically prepared to do everything the most perfect possible. Historically, Cecchetti has teached in Russia for many years, having coached pavlova and nijinsky, as he was one of the most respected teachers in russia in his days having performed in the ballet russes, he style of teaching inspired vaganova, although she has made some changes in the teaching technique and evolution of the class.
I think you should try out, because cecchetti is a method that cleans a lot your technique and therefore you'll gain a lot from it, as any choreographer will tell you that's a very important aspect in choosing dancers.
Hope I could help, any question feel free to ask!
Lauren

Little Elm, TX

#7 Feb 2, 2010
Um you should always roll up onto pointe - I don't care what technique you're using. Don't post on here if you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Lauren

Little Elm, TX

#8 Feb 2, 2010
Dibee wrote:
Hi. Cecchetti and R.A.D. are systems of grades and examinations. Vaganova also has that, but is probably closer to being a professional training program in and of itself. Cecchetti or R.A.D. training does not produce professional dancers without additional training including broader styles.
You are exactly right... Cechetti dancers rarely get anywhere in their dancing. It's too structured.
Barry Trammell

Miami, FL

#9 Feb 22, 2010
Dibee wrote:
Hi. Cecchetti and R.A.D. are systems of grades and examinations. Vaganova also has that, but is probably closer to being a professional training program in and of itself. Cecchetti or R.A.D. training does not produce professional dancers without additional training including broader styles.
I ask anyone to list all the great dancers that were produced exclusively from R.A.D. or Cecchetti training. Listing great dancers that were produced exclusively from Russian (Vaganova) training is not hard. Baryshnikov, Nureyev, Gudonov, Vasiliev, Muhkamedov, Sergeyev, Makarova, Ulanova, Pleisetskaya, Kolpakova, Ananishvili, Pavlova (Nadezhda), Gordeyev, Soloviev, Vladimirov. I could name many more. Type an any of the names above on YouTube and you will likely find clips of brilliant dancing. Find the great dancers coming from the exclusive RAD and Cecchetti schools. The Royal Ballet School (both White Lodge and the upper school in London) do not teach RAD. They have many Russian teachers. What does that tell you?
Charlotte

Garner, NC

#10 Sep 8, 2010
Umm, that is clearly inaccurate.

Cecchetti inspired Vaganova, as said before.

Having a SOLID technique base makes you very interesting to a professional group --- no matter that group's internal teachings. MANY MANY great dancers have graced the stage trained purely Italian. Also, MANY great dancers have graced the stage having been trained in several methods.

Barry, some of the dancers you named below *started* their training in the Russian method, but learned and incorporated the Italian method as well. Look closely at their arms, attitudes, certain body positioning. They have blended the styles.
Barry Trammell wrote:
<quoted text>
I ask anyone to list all the great dancers that were produced exclusively from R.A.D. or Cecchetti training. Listing great dancers that were produced exclusively from Russian (Vaganova) training is not hard. Baryshnikov, Nureyev, Gudonov, Vasiliev, Muhkamedov, Sergeyev, Makarova, Ulanova, Pleisetskaya, Kolpakova, Ananishvili, Pavlova (Nadezhda), Gordeyev, Soloviev, Vladimirov. I could name many more. Type an any of the names above on YouTube and you will likely find clips of brilliant dancing. Find the great dancers coming from the exclusive RAD and Cecchetti schools. The Royal Ballet School (both White Lodge and the upper school in London) do not teach RAD. They have many Russian teachers. What does that tell you?
Dibee

Chatsworth, CA

#11 Sep 14, 2010
What resulted in Cecchetti Syllabus is not necessarily what he personally taught in class to dancers like Nijinski. Just to keep this discussion in perspective....
kate

Walnut Creek, CA

#12 Dec 29, 2010
Lauren wrote:
Um you should always roll up onto pointe - I don't care what technique you're using. Don't post on here if you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Wow, you're mean AND wrong. Cecchetti method teaches students to rise to pointe and demi-pointe with a slight spring. I know because that's the only way I learned to releve and was shamed for it in later classes.
Regan

United States

#13 Jun 3, 2012
Personally I think ceccheti is much better because I believe it has more structure to it in fact i'm on my way to my grade 2 cecchetti exam right now and I'm super nervous!
LMCp

United States

#14 Sep 27, 2012
Russian method will be more readily accepted within the professional dance world. Cecchetti doesnt teach lines and speed like Vaganova. The syllabus is old. Nothing wrong with discipline & structure: but check out the Kirov dancers compared a Cecchetti trained pupil. Pro companies do not care if you passed your Grade IV exam... However, the Cecc method does give dancers a thorough vocab and spelling lesson.
Andrea

Kansas City, MO

#15 Apr 9, 2013
So I actually I don't exactly know wich method I dance in I hav been taught at the same studio for 6 years and I have 4 ballet teachers as of know so they all had different styles I think I've been taught the Cecchetti method beacause it had always been REALLY focused on teachnice an porta bra was very wached along with positon but I was never told and I don't go to a specifically ballet school so I don't know if they taught a specific method pleas help
Danceportugal wrote:
well, I have studied both styles, and basically the bigger differences are technical,
- the numbering of the corners
- the evolution of the exercises (like, in cecchetti the evolution in the earlier years is more slow and steady because they focus a lot in the technique, but in the more advanced years you do a lot of progression in the class; for vaganova already from the beggining you are exposed to a lot of technique, like, you start doing doubles (fondus, frappés, pirouettes) and other stuff one year or two earlier)
- the execution of some steps is different (like frappé, rond de jambe en l'air, etc.)
- the use of the head and arms is different (I personally think that cecchetti is more advanced in that matter, as there are a lot of exercises were the coordination between both is very challenging)
- the execution of the ports de bras is different
- cecchetti is more advanced rithmically, although the exercises in overall may seem simplier
- cecchetti has a lot of focus on balance - pirouettes.
Well, at least these are the bigger diferences I can remember just now. I think you should try out the cecchetti classes, because they develop a lot of technique, although sometimes if you're not really paying attention to all the technicalities you'll may think the classes are a little boring due to the fact that some exercises are done slower, but that's to make you focus more on what you're doing. I actually like a lot cecchetti, but you have to be psycologically prepared to do everything the most perfect possible. Historically, Cecchetti has teached in Russia for many years, having coached pavlova and nijinsky, as he was one of the most respected teachers in russia in his days having performed in the ballet russes, he style of teaching inspired vaganova, although she has made some changes in the teaching technique and evolution of the class.
I think you should try out, because cecchetti is a method that cleans a lot your technique and therefore you'll gain a lot from it, as any choreographer will tell you that's a very important aspect in choosing dancers.
Hope I could help, any question feel free to ask!
dancer

Ann Arbor, MI

#16 Apr 25, 2015
an onlooker wrote:
Not too much. It's the little things that make the difference. Vagonova (Russian) releves, I pop up onto my pointe, where as Cecchetti (Italian) one rolls up onto pointe is releve' The position and movement of the foot in doing a frappe is distinctly different, too. They're just detail adjustments. No biggies.
I started with Cecchetti, moved to Balanchine, and now I do Vagonova. They are all great techniques and distinctly different. Similar enough, that changing wont be a big deal. Just know there is a few changes you'll have to make technique wise.
I like Vagonova the best, but that's just me!! If it was considered the best by all, the other styles wouldn't be taught anymore. Obviously that is not the case.
Who knows! You might like that better than the Russian style you're doing now! Good luck.
Cecchetti is French not Italian.
Nik

Ivanhoe, Australia

#17 Jun 19, 2015
dancer wrote:
<quoted text>
Cecchetti is French not Italian.
Ummm it's Italian...
eventerjazz6

Detroit, MI

#18 Dec 29, 2015
I was previously taught cecchetti at my first studio, but switched to a studio that is primarily Vaganova. In the past few years at this new studio, I have learned so much, and my dancing has improved by leaps and bounds. Comparing the two techniques, I love the port de bras, and use of arms and your head in Vaganova. It's really beautiful. Cecchetti doesn't add in the stylistic things Vaganova does until much later in the curriculum. My dance teacher has been trained in both styles, teaches Vaganova at my studio (she prefers it) and cecchetti at another studio. She will occasionally point out how we would do something in the cecchetti style vs. Vaganova, which I appreciate.
mackenziesballer ina

Fort Wayne, IN

#19 May 18, 2016
Hi! In my opinion, it is so important to learn both techniques, or both schools. In the future, if you take ballet to the next level as a career, different companies teach different school syllabuses. In my opinion, it is important to learn both. Cecchetti and Vagonava are basically the same; it's not a whole new terminology and dictionary of steps like you think it will be. There are just a few minor differences like using sur le cou de pied more instead of coupe or sometimes they have different names for the steps you already know like pique instead of pointe or dégagé instead of battement jete. So, it is definitely important to learn both techniques, but dont be stressed out. They are basically the same with just a few minor changes in style. It won't take you very long to learn.:) Xx-Mackenzie
HighSTEPPERyo

American Canyon, CA

#20 May 20, 2016
mackenziesballerina wrote:
Hi! In my opinion, it is so important to learn both techniques, or both schools. In the future, if you take ballet to the next level as a career, different companies teach different school syllabuses. In my opinion, it is important to learn both. Cecchetti and Vagonava are basically the same; it's not a whole new terminology and dictionary of steps like you think it will be. There are just a few minor differences like using sur le cou de pied more instead of coupe or sometimes they have different names for the steps you already know like pique instead of pointe or dégagé instead of battement jete. So, it is definitely important to learn both techniques, but dont be stressed out. They are basically the same with just a few minor changes in style. It won't take you very long to learn.:) Xx-Mackenzie
Howdy!

My ma says they is only difference in the cost..One is $22 per class, while the other is $25 per. My ma gets mad at paying so much and me not understanding because of the accents and all that fussing over what I weigh and wear. If we dont get in the Nuts thing my pa will sue and then we will be in everything all the dang time. I like burritos ballet.

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