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Dan
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People will do anything to smoke. So sad. LOOSERS
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Steve
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Looks like you are the real LOSER Dan, you can't even spell LOSER.
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Rich
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This loophole will soon be corrected so enjoy you last few puffs.
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Lame
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That is just lame, Theatre Nights? Oh please! Enjoy your cancer sticks while you can "actors".
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freedom
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such control freaks!! how many of you actually frequent the bars? but yet have this uncontrolable desire to control everything? you can live in this country illegally but you can't do something thats perfectly legal, now thats LAME!!
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Maggie
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I think It is lame what ppl will do for the Cancer Stix. It is sad that everyone has to suffer and get cancer because of the dangerous habits of others.
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Reality Check
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Freedom-
Just to be very clear-
Your right to drink ends when you get behind the wheel of a car drunk.
Your right to swing your fist ends when you make contact with another person.
Your right to smoke ends at the next person's lungs.
If you want to smoke then feel free to do it in your own home or yard. It's an addiction that not only harms you but everyone around you. If you're a smoker, admit that it's an addiction with serious effects on your health and the health of those around you and get help. Your children and your wallet will thank you for it. Otherwise, the nonsmokers will keep voting to increase cigarette taxes and you'll keep paying.
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freedom
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Reality Check-
Just to be very clear
You drink and get behind the wheel of a car,,DUI, you go to jail
You swing your fist and make contact with another,,Assualt,, you go to jail
You smoke,, nothing,, it's completly legal
You may be shocked to know I don't smoke, and don't support smoking, what I do support is the Constitution of the United States of America, ever heard of it?????
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Reality Check
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Freedom-
Smoking inside public places is illegal. That's the whole point. Smokers do not have the right to do so in indoor public places in MN. If this bothers you so much, then I suggest a trip to California- where smoking is banned pretty much everywhere- including outdoors (you can smoke in your own backyard- if you own a single home dwelling)
As for the Constitution, I've not only heard of it, read it, and memorized parts of it in the school, I fully believe in it and support it. Why don't you show me where it says that you have the right to smoke in public buildings and/or the right to inflict bodily harm (from 2nd hand smoke)on others simply because you feel like it?
There are laws against it just like there are laws against drunk driving-
The Constitution is considered a living breathing document. The founders knew that they could not address all issues and left room for future generations to reinterpret it as needed. Additionally, they purposely left as many rights as possible in the hands of the state. Minnesota says no smoking in public places and that's the law. Don't like it? Well you have the right to challenge the law in court or petition/lobby that the law be changed. That's what's great about this country and our Constitution. We can all speak freely and work for the changes we want.
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Big T
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You must really have a tough time knowing what the law is. You smoke inside, it is illegal simple. Just because someone is trying to exploit a loophole doesn't make people that don't want to breath air full of smoke control freaks. For too many years smokers have dictated what non-smokers get to do. If you smoke around me, then I am breathing smoke and you have taken over an area that can and should be able to be used for others. Unlike drinking around, which if you have to much of, you can call a cab so you don't get a DUI or worse, kill someone. Smoking, the killing, all be it slower, is still happening. You say you don't smoke but simply support the constitution makes me wonder your motives. I know of no-one who "enjoys" second hand smoke, so there must be a reason you want people to exploit loopholes in the law. freedom wrote: Reality Check-
Just to be very clear
You drink and get behind the wheel of a car,,DUI, you go to jail
You swing your fist and make contact with another,,Assualt,, you go to jail
You smoke,, nothing,, it's completly legal
You may be shocked to know I don't smoke, and don't support smoking, what I do support is the Constitution of the United States of America, ever heard of it?????
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Dan
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Steve wrote: Looks like you are the real LOSER Dan, you can't even spell LOSER. There loser. That make you happy?
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Dale
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You may hate smoking. Ok Fine. But don't tell a private business owner if they can allow smoking or not. People should pressure business owners to go smoke free, not the government to pass laws restricting legal activity in a private business. The tyranny of the majority should never take away personal and private decisions.
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Reality Check
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Dale- Yes we will pressure businesses to go smoke free and yes, we will tell private businesses they must go smoke free- just like we forced Grace Chemical to clean up the wells they contaminated, just like we force recalls of drugs that have dangerous side effects, just like we recall cars and childrens toys and all sorts of other products that aren't up to code. If you don't like it then you can try to reverse it by electing new politicians or trying to get current politicians to pass new laws and/or reverse current one. That's what a democracy is- majority rule. The smoking ban is decades late, we've known these dangers for years and it's taken a long time to get here. Hopefully it won't get reversed, but if it does I'll accept and stop going to establishments that allow smoking.
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Torque
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Reality Check wrote: That's what a democracy is- majority rule. When it's estimated that only 20 to 40 percent of people even bother to vote and most don't even know what they're voting for, that's not majority rule. We can tell that by all the bar closings.
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Marlboro Man
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Why are cigarettes even legal? Do you think the government gives a crap about smoking deaths and peoples right to breath clean air? F No. All they care about are taxes. Revenue. As long as they rake in the billions of dollars, it don't matter who dies. Smoking laws are made as grandstanding geastures to show You, the gulible public that your elected leaders care. Sure they do, about Cig revenue.
Reality Check. We don't live in a Democrocy. Its a Representative Republic. Majority does not rule,(sometimes, not even in elections). The majority often expresses its will against something, and their representatives in the Government vote the other way. In a true democrocy, the people would vote on every law, bill, ordinance, ect. That's not the case.
Why is their an indoor smoking ban, when cigar and cigarettes are deadly? Why are they not banned outright?
Why get upset when a Bar puts on theatre night. Pick another bar, or better yet, don't be a drunk, stay home and be productive.
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Chelsie Z
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Fines up to $10,000 may be issued to the 30 bars in MN that found this loophole. So yes, I would say that smoking indoors ais illegal indoors at the places where it was banned, which doesn't even include only bars and restaurants.
However, since we can see there is an obvious want for smoking in public bars and restaurants, I don't thing it is outright fair for the government to do.
No, no I don't smoke and don't plan to. I am an 18 year old healthy woman who opposs smoking but after much research on the Freedom to Breathe Act I have found that this comprehensive smoking ban can unjustly affect small private business owners from our community.
So I propose that the government allow private bars and restaurants to choose for themself if they want to be smoking or non smoking. This will allow for a competitive edge between restaurants, and then bars and restaurants cannot blame any revenue losses on the smoking ban. This way customers and bars can choose what they are going to expose themself to. I've read of a restaurant in WI that chose to go smoke free and saw a 15% business jump over the next three years.
So go for that!
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Big Jon
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Dan wrote: People will do anything to smoke. So sad. LOOSERS How about this, just stop smoking and start chewing
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Torque
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Big Jon wrote: <quoted text> How about this, just stop smoking and start chewing Because then the little, whiny do-gooders would start complaining about second-hand spit.
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Torque
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Reality Check wrote: Dale- Yes we will pressure businesses to go smoke free and yes, we will tell private businesses they must go smoke free- just like we forced Grace Chemical to clean up the wells they contaminated, just like we force recalls of drugs that have dangerous side effects, just like we recall cars and childrens toys and all sorts of other products that aren't up to code. If you don't like it then you can try to reverse it by electing new politicians or trying to get current politicians to pass new laws and/or reverse current one. That's what a democracy is- majority rule. The smoking ban is decades late, we've known these dangers for years and it's taken a long time to get here. Hopefully it won't get reversed, but if it does I'll accept and stop going to establishments that allow smoking. So why hasn't OSHA ever ruled second-hand tobacco smoke to be a health hazard?
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