Who wrote Dasam Granth?

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harjinder singh

Sydney, Australia

#1 Aug 29, 2006
respected sir/madam
i am a noraml human being in australia and i have also same thinking as mr. jaswinder singh. if you please give me his address and please send me his book i can pay by credit card. i will be very thank full to you or you can send me details on my e mail
sukha321@yahoo.com.au
harjinder singh
Rajputana

Bronx, NY

#2 Aug 3, 2007
The fact that you have controversy over some material presented in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji which may be offensive to some does not take away from its authenticity. Guru Gobind Singh ji was a very bold man, he was countless times threatened by muslims to stop his preachings but never flinched once. The fact that he was being frank and to the point in his writing should not necessarily mean that it is not his work.

You can always tell the writing of the 10th guru apart from the rest of the gurus. He has a martial way with words and thus the meter of the Dasam Granth sahib ji is the same as his other works such as Jaap Sahib.

There are in all 3 Holy scriptures for the Sikhs:

Guru Granth Sahib ji
Dasam Granth Sahib ji
Sarbloh Granth Sahib ji

P.S. For instance in the Dasam Granth it is said in detail about how in the Kalyug when the world is to end -

1) adultery will be rampant

2) Mothers and sons will cupulate and likewise Fathers and daughters...this is actually seen in news world-over!
Fact

Chandigarh, India

#3 Jun 15, 2009
There is no evidence available that Guru Gobind Singh wrote, authenticated or sanctified any Dasami Patshahi Da Granth in his own hands as was done by him in the case of Damdami version of Guru Granth Sahib in 1706 and 1708 and similar to Guru Arjan Dev in the case of Aad Granth in 1604. The framing of the Rehat Maryada in 1927-1946 was a monumental task. There were several Rehat Maryadas prevailing at that time. The best of the practical life of Sikhs over generations, oral history and written sources available were taken into consideration. All sources confirmed the Sikh concept of Guru Panth and Guru Granth. The Bani of Guru Granth Sahib was the sole canon to accept or reject any idea, concept or suggestion. Dasam Granth, therefore has no recognition in Sikh Rahat Maryada and the 1925 Sikh Gurudwara Act. The Banis of the tenth Guru that have been accepted in the Sikh Rahat Maryada which and sanctified by Guru Panth (1927-1945) are final and unquestionable: Jaap Sahib, ten Swayyas (Swarg Sudu Waley 21-30 Akal Ustat), Benti Chaupai up to Dushat dokh tay, 1st Pauri of Ardas, Dohra and Swayyas in Rehras (as sanctioned in Rehat Maryada).
singh

United States

#4 Jun 24, 2009
any one that believes that the dasam granth( i call it bachiter natak, because that is what it was called at first. then the name changed) is acctually written by Guru Gobind Singh ji is an illiterate person who believes what others told him/her. it would be wise to read bachiter natak and then figure out if it was something that he could have written. much of the stuff written in it is tottaly against guru granth sahib. this was written by people who tried to destroy sikhism. much of what is wriiten came from the hindu books/scriptures. sometimes exact paragraph/seneteces can be found. plz visit
for more info
87tuti

Surrey, Canada

#5 Jun 24, 2009
tell me please waht is the dasam granth
Singh

Stormville, NY

#7 Nov 25, 2009
Dasam Granth itself was not put together by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It was compiled by Bhai Mani Singh, who was a granthi in the Golden Temple, after Guru Gobind Singh Ji's death. What Bhai Mani Singh did was take all of Guru Ji's writings and make it into a book. These writings included those on God, but it also included stories about adultery,Hindu gods, and poems about war.

I think it is fair to criticize Bhai Mani Singh's judgement in compiling all of these different works into a single volume because they were obviously meant for different purposes. However, there is absolutely no way of knowing for sure if these are all Guru Gobind Singh's writings, or just a collection of works that were in the Guru's posession.

What we do know for sure is that Guru Gobind Singh named Guru Granth Sahib the eternal Guru of the Sikhs. Therefore that is the only book that deserves any kind of reverence.
Khoji

UK

#8 Dec 2, 2009
Except for Jap Sahib, Swayiey, Benati Chaupai(to 'dusht dokh te leho bachaee'), most of Akal Ustat, rest of Dasam Granth is work of Tantric and Shakat writers whose deities are Devi, Kaal, Mahakaal, Kalika etc.

These Tantric and Shakat writers adore their Devi, and other deities but since they hated rest of the Hindu gods like Ganesh, Krishan, Vishnu, Brahma etc their writings include derogatory remarks towards these deities eg 'Mai na ganeseh pritham manaoon, kishen bishen kabhoon na dhianonn.'
Ignorant sikhs take this to be the view of Guru ji whereas this is the hatred of Shakats and Tantrics.

Shakats being the worshippers of Shakti or Devi adore her. We find the titles of some compositions as 'Devi ji ki ustat'.

Therefore, we don't see any line in Dasam Granth where Devi has been criticised or condemned.

If it were Guru ji as the writer why would Guru ji condemned only Ganesh, Krishan, Vishnu etc why not Devi as well.

However, the writer of Bachitar Natak does not criticise Devi but on the other hand says 'Devi Kalika is his mother.'

What has happened is that the banis Jap Sahib, Swayiey, Benati Chaupi, ect were Guru ji's Bani and Sikhs recited these as part of their nitnem but to tarnish these banis the clever Shakats mixed these up with Devi Ustat and compiled as Dasam Granth.
Sahib

Harrow, UK

#9 Dec 13, 2009
Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Ki Fateh
Our family have owned the Dasam Granth for over 30 years. Recently & for the first time i took a look at the front cover of the Dasam Granth and it read 'Sri Guru Dasam Granth'
WHY????? Does the Dasam Granth have the title of Sri Guru???? I'll tell you why.
To cause confusion amongst ourselves.
If you have confusion about bachiter natak (now refered to as Dasam Granth) then i plore you to watch this video.

There are 6 parts & once you have seen this video you will have gone past the point of no return.
May Vaheguru bless us all.
Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Ki Fateh
harinder

Bangalore, India

#10 Dec 13, 2009
"Dasam Granth Shaib" is an integral part of SIKHISM even if it does not enjoy the same status as "GURU Granth Sahib " .
People following Dasam Granth cannot be labelled as anti -Sikh.
Sikh means a life long learner from all sources of life;
So "DASAM GRANTH " is a valid source of inspiration for SIKHS who desire to delve into it.
Gaurav Singh

United States

#11 Dec 14, 2009
"Dasam" Granth - A Look at the Core Problems
Like so many other issues that contemporary Sikhs choose to deal with, the issue Dasam Granth is contrived and, indeed, a "red herring" (in that, it is meant to divert attention). I largely agree with Sardar I. J. Singh's take on things in his article on Sikhchic.com and would like to make some further distinctions that may help separate "the wheat from the chaff."
Rather than getting into minutiae, historical or otherwise, it is sometimes more helpful to understand the basis, the fundamentals, the core, the Tat of the issue under consideration. In my understanding the fundamentals under concern here are:
1) Who/what is Guru?
2) Who has the right to decide the status of what is and what is not Guru?
3) In light of the above, what is the status of the so-called Dasam Granth?
Sardar I. J. Singh has shed light upon this by exposing, quite simply, the hypocrisy practiced by those who believe in any real relation between Guru Gobind Singh and Hemkunt (as a historical GurAsthan). Of course, if Sikhs give no credence to the Hindu pilgrimages visited by Lehna ji (later became a Sikh, and then, Guru Angad) and Amar ji (later became a Sikh, and then, Guru Amar Das) in the same life which saw them first become Sikhs and then the Guru, then how can a GurSikh deign to validate an alleged previous life of Guru Gobind Singh?
The Gurmat here is that we are engaged with and get our guidance from the Guru, and the actions of Nanak II & III prior to their ascension to the status of the Guru do not have the sanction of (what I term) Guru-authority. So, any validity to an alleged previous life of Nanak X is beyond baffling and, certainly, not Gurmat.
Now back to the core. Who is the Guru?
The Guru existed prior to Guru Nanak and shall always exist, as long as there is existence, since the Guru is Shabad. This fact is also apparent because of the inclusion (within Guru Granth Sahib) of the Bani of Sheikh Farid and Bhagat Kabir, etc. who preceded Guru Nanak Sahib. Here, I shall not address the fact that there are some distinctions made by Guru Nanak I-V in reference to “Bhagat” Bani.
At this time, I should make clear the distinction between Guru and, what I term, Guru-authority. When Guru Nanak sanctioned Guru Angad as the Guru going forward, he himself lived for some time thereafter. No sane person would suggest that the Guru within Guru Nanak suddenly left him and went into Bhai Lehna. When Guru Angad becomes Guru it does not mean that Guru Nanak is not Guru. Guriai is not a zero-sum game. Rather, it is akin to a Jot (en)light(en)ing another Jot.
Therefore, what Guru Nanak passed onto Bhai Lehna was the Guru-authority. Bhai Lehna was, in fact, indistinguishable from Guru Nanak, hence his Ang(ad). What they had in common was the enlightenment from Shabad Guru!
So, at the same time in 1539 CE existed Guru Angad Sahib (Guru-authority) and Guru Nanak. In a smaller sense this could be understood through the concept of Presidency in the United States. Barack Obama is the President, while George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush and Carter are also Presidents. All but Obama, however, are not charged with the authority to make executive decisions for the 50 states in the union.

To read the rest of this article (due to a character limit here), please visit http://vismad.blogspot.com
Amrik Singh Aidan

Stourbridge, UK

#12 Dec 18, 2009
Mr. Rajputana, given you are not sikh so it is accepted that you don't even know that there are three holy scripts on Sikhs. There's only one and only one holy book of Sikhs which is Guru Granth Sahib.
Dasam Granth is written/modified by a non-sikh person, with not even one philosophy matched with sikhism. Yes it does match with hindu philosophy and can be said, that some hindu person might have written it and might be for Hindus. This is a non-sikh book not meant for sikhs.
Rajputana wrote:
The fact that you have controversy over some material presented in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji which may be offensive to some does not take away from its authenticity. Guru Gobind Singh ji was a very bold man, he was countless times threatened by muslims to stop his preachings but never flinched once. The fact that he was being frank and to the point in his writing should not necessarily mean that it is not his work.
You can always tell the writing of the 10th guru apart from the rest of the gurus. He has a martial way with words and thus the meter of the Dasam Granth sahib ji is the same as his other works such as Jaap Sahib.
There are in all 3 Holy scriptures for the Sikhs:
Guru Granth Sahib ji
Dasam Granth Sahib ji
Sarbloh Granth Sahib ji
P.S. For instance in the Dasam Granth it is said in detail about how in the Kalyug when the world is to end -
1) adultery will be rampant
2) Mothers and sons will cupulate and likewise Fathers and daughters...this is actually seen in news world-over!
jagdish singh

Bedworth, UK

#17 Apr 27, 2010
in my view the problem with people is there are too many frictions in Sikhism lot of the public who has not study or heard the dasam granth just follow there
leaders like so called sants preachers who lectures the majority or sikhs
until the sikhs study themselves and try to understand the personality of guru gobind singh ji you will find the true answers
finally why do they start the controversy now guru ji
never put his bani in guru granth sahib,
its for people to read who want answers no other gianis,or sants,mahants,or so called panthec ragis or gurduara comities have,
please please leave dasem granth out of your feeble
minds
Aurangzeb

Burton-on-trent, UK

#18 Apr 30, 2010
The quicker you realize all your books and religion are either fake or copies of total BS the better
sdakvo

Highland Park, NJ

#20 Apr 30, 2010
sihs religion is much more authentic than u ghandu sullahs.
The sikh religoius scriptures were written by he gurus own hand.
Hence the true message of god is preserved and pure.

Where as u sullahs with ur koran- which was not even written by mohammeds own hand but by someone else long after he was gone.!!!
Also mohammed was illiterate- so he could not have even written on paper to gods message to be put into a book called koran later on.
Ur religion is fake- and u follow hadiths writeen by someone other than mohammed!!!! So effectively u think u are following mohammed- but u are not- just following a book written by a nobody with there own weird fantasies- u muslims are the real joke- no wonder u are so messed up!
parampreet

London, UK

#23 May 13, 2010
i want to give answer here to asif ali that he doesn't know abt sikhism.his own relegion is a contradictory.plz tell me what is suni and what is sheya and who is agha khan.he first go and ask their mula what is the real muslim holy book.
Jija of Asif Khan

Delhi, India

#24 May 14, 2010
What is religion of Asif Khan so called id!Till date he has not confirmed that he is muslim or true son of mulsim Lund or that his daughters r married to muslim Lumds !
who is so called Sala Asiof Khan a harami and son of Hindu Lund ..and believe me Asif Khan is feeling very happy my dosclosing this that he son of Hindu Lund ...so called Asif Khan a harami agrees with this ...
parampreet

London, UK

#25 May 20, 2010
ye i agree with jija of asif ali
goldy narwal

Slough, UK

#26 Jun 1, 2010
asif khan wrote:
none of your books were written by Gurus, all your books are simply verses taken from other saints from other faiths.
asif khan teri maa d lann u mind ur own bussiness..,.......alright.... .,apne kam naal matlab rakh kattu a., mulla saala
goldy narwal

Slough, UK

#27 Jun 1, 2010
asif khan tu apna soch jo tvaanu mullea nu salvaara pvaiya c baba banda singh bahadar g ne,,,
o v gurua d bani padd de c dats y they got so much of power,,,and u fuckin kattue mulle starts wearing salwars ...bcoz baba banda singh g ladies te vaar ni karde c musalmana vaang.....
naale tu bhull geya hari singh nalua g ne 3 vaar afgaan fateh kita c guru nanak g d baani padd de c o v,,,,,
teria pathania bhenna aundia c singha koll ,,,te kendia c k saanu v tuhade varge mard daler chaide aa kush kro ...
m not joking its true... history padd...
jadd musalmana de bache ronde c ta pathania sullia kendia c soja nalua ado re,,, haria ado ga soja...
matlab sonja puttra hari singh nalua ajuga....
pella history padd ferr gal kari...
saala sulla.....kattua
appa amrit velle ishnan karida te bani padi d..
tade vaang ling ni katwaida safai rakhan lai nhona jruri hunda.....
Fact

New Delhi, India

#28 Jan 9, 2011
There can be two reasons given for guru gobind singh ji's bani not present in guru granth sahib:

1. He was very humble and thought that it would be egoistic of him to include his bani in guru granth sahib.

Yes, there is no doubt that guru gobind singh was humble and kind but so were the other gurus. Guru arjan dev ji compiled the first bir of guru granth sahib in which he included the bani of bhagats, first four gurus and his own bani. So does that mean that guru arjan dev ji was not humble and kind because he himself included his bani in guru granth sahib? The answer is a simple no. The bani that all the gurus uttered came to them from akal purakh. So it was the bani of akal purakh. So the reason given by many people that guru gobind singh ji didn't included his own bani in guru granth sahib because he was humble and free from ego is completely wrong.

2. He didn't wrote any bani.

This reason seems the most logical. Here, it should be remembered that sixth, seventh and eighth gurus also didn't wrote any bani. But it doesn't mean that they were less great than other gurus and sikhs should give them less respect as compared to other gurus. They were also as great as other gurus because the jot in all the gurus was same. Simlarly, guru gobind singh ji was also as great as other gurus even if he didn't wrote any bani.

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