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Amy
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Gert wrote: I guess all of our snipers never think about having sex with Andrea Bocelli. Right!!!!!!!!!! Right!!!!, except you. Gert the more you write, the more revealing you get. Listen woman, You are as infatuated with AB as his fans you call whores. The problem I have with you is, why don't you just come out and admit it? What you are doing is showing how much you are in denial about your fantasy, so you come on this forum and bash him hoping that by doing so, your fantasies will disappear. The humor in all this is that you have been able to rally these ladies to side with you in the bashing. Is this attidute of yours an antidote to cure your fantasy ? My dear, you cannot bullshit a bullshiter. You me and the others are on this forum for one simple reason; as Bocelli fans, If not don't come here, at least spare yourself from this lunacy. Keep on Bashing him and then at night climb into your lonely bed and fantacise about him.
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Katy
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Oh her bra would be no problem for me. if she doesn't wear one i can sympathise with that too!
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Sally
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Amy wrote: <quoted text> You me and the others are on this forum for one simple reason; as Bocelli fans, You're right there, Amy. But not all apples are Golden Delicious, are they. There are lots of varieties, but they are still all apples. There's no need to compare one with the other. You may have your favourite, but why not enjoy them all?
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Gert
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Amy wrote: . Gert the more you write, the more revealing you get. Listen woman, You are as infatuated with AB as his fans you call whores. The problem I have with you is, why don't you just come out and admit it? I do. I've been saying that for years. Where you been? I'd tie him to my bedpost and make him reach the high notes!!!!!! Where I am different from the vast majority of his fans is that, I don't buy the bullshit of sublimation. I've always felt Andrea was a great male animal - and the blindness help. It is living with him, not bedding him, that is my problem and that's what I talk about most of the time. So when people are telling me there hearts are trembling or they're taking bubble baths, I am pretty sure they are not planning their booths at the church bazaar. I also think he does not wear tight, crotch-grabbing jeans for comfort. He wants you do notice. Have you? I've always said he does have dental issues, especially in the coloration of his teeth. However, in someways, it makes him real and earthy, not capped and sparkling. The double chin, the occasional stray hair in the nostril or ear also makes him real.
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Amy is not too tightly wrapped Gert, give her some space. There are advantages to going to bed with a blind man. There are also a few disadvantages but none come to mind at the moment. lol. Living with them is a challenge. I was just discussing this topic with a friend of mind who also has a blind partner. It was a bitch session as we can't really discuss it with anyone else...no one understands what it entails. It’s not romantic and sometimes smacks of having another kid....So Gert, the living with him could be an issue, the sex? Well he is 49... It may not balance out...Sorry I love the voice but I have had enough reality living with a blind man to see any romance in it. I would have to say most of his fans wouldn't get the reality of actually living with him. That is why I always maybe related with Erica as she knew him before the entourage. I still feel that Veronica is in it not only for the money but for the 2nd hand fame. Let’s face it, she isn't doing the laundry, cooking, cleaning...etc. I am sure he has a booking agent and enough staff to keep him going without her...and he by his own admission is terrified of being alone...so it’s convenient for each of them... Somehow that is very unromantic. More like a business deal really. Being involved with someone who has a devastating disability isn’t for the faint of heart and no matter how much you may love the person at times it invades the relationship causing anger, guilt and resentment that you will not find in a more traditional relationship. I don’t need to hear that every relationship has issues, I know, we have those as well, this is just in addition to…Lookin’ a little less romantic?
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Amy
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Gert wrote: <quoted text>
I do. I've been saying that for years. Where you been? I'd tie him to my bedpost and make him reach the high notes!!!!!! Where I am different from the vast majority of his fans is that, I don't buy the bullshit of sublimation. I've always felt Andrea was a great male animal - and the blindness help. It is living with him, not bedding him, that is my problem and that's what I talk about most of the time. So when people are telling me there hearts are trembling or they're taking bubble baths, I am pretty sure they are not planning their booths at the church bazaar. I also think he does not wear tight, crotch-grabbing jeans for comfort. He wants you do notice. Have you?
I've always said he does have dental issues, especially in the coloration of his teeth. However, in someways, it makes him real and earthy, not capped and sparkling. The double chin, the occasional stray hair in the nostril or ear also umakes him real. No Gert, I haven,t noticed the tight crotch grabbing jeans that you are talking about and, I am glad that you have noticed but this goes to show how revealing you are. The other problem I have with you is the bedding him part and not liking to live with him. Remember, people may come and go but he comes in a package so he doesn't need you right now. On the part of his dental formula, it is just a matter of your opinion, which I don't have a problem with. Some people, like you, may like him regardless of his dental formula,while others may not.
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Amy
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Sally wrote: <quoted text> You're right there, Amy. But not all apples are Golden Delicious, are they. There are lots of varieties, but they are still all apples. There's no need to compare one with the other. You may have your favourite, but why not enjoy them all? I do Sally, and God knows I do, until I bite into a sour one, then I switch to a Granny smith.
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Katy
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I have to echo Gert's "where have you been"? People come on here citing Gert's "behaviour" elsewhere but I don't believe they ever actually read any of her posts . If they had they would know that she has never made any bones about her feelings toward Andrea. I find it difficult to believe that anyone could fail to notice that andrea had changed his former ,rather formal way of dressing on stage to a more casual style. This included extremely tight jeans. if you failed to notice them you can't be a regular reader of other fan sites either. I think many fans were shocked when the jeans firs t appeared. not because they were casualwear but because they were a couple of sizes too small! Regarding the teeth, I have seen discussions about this too on many occasions. Many fans feel as gert does that to change them would be to Americanise him and he is obviously not American. In short ,many of you claim to know all about Gert but betray total ignorance of what she has actually said in the past . you also seem to be behind the times with Bocelli. Most of you have just seen a bandwagon and can't wait to climb aboard.
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Katy
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Carry wrote: <quoted text>
I came along relatively late compared to some of you. He was still with Enrica, but the rumors were just beginning. I was very saddened by the break up, however, and slow to warm to Veronica. I do like her now and think they are a good match in a lot of ways.
As far as being in Veronica's shoes, I have big feet so that wouldn't be a problem! Her bra (if she wears one) would be another story!!! I can't really say that I took much notice of Enrica until i read The music of silence. Then i had to wonder what sort of woman could live with a man who wrote about her in the way he did in this book. I didn't expect the marriage to last and was not surprised when a few years later i heard mentiom of a "veronica" in his life. I was unsurprised by this and just assumed the marriage was over and he was in a new relationship. Then I saw her and my opinion of him just plummeted and has never really recovered. his conversion to muzac or music to grocery-shop by didn't help. I feel however, that the story is by no means over.
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Amy
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Katy wrote: I have to echo Gert's "where have you been"?
People come on here citing Gert's "behaviour" elsewhere but I don't believe they ever actually read any of her posts . If they had they would know that she has never made any bones about her feelings toward Andrea.
I find it difficult to believe that anyone could fail to notice that andrea had changed his former ,rather formal way of dressing on stage to a more casual style. This included extremely tight jeans.
if you failed to notice them you can't be a regular reader of other fan sites either. I think many fans were shocked when the jeans firs t appeared. not because they were casualwear but because they were a couple of sizes too small!
Regarding the teeth, I have seen discussions about this too on many occasions. Many fans feel as gert does that to change them would be to Americanise him and he is obviously not American.
In short ,many of you claim to know all about Gert but betray total ignorance of what she has actually said in the past . you also seem to be behind the times with Bocelli.
Most of you have just seen a bandwagion and can't wait to climb aboard. You got me, I am not a regular fan reader on this site and i apologise for not taking notice of the essentials, when it comes to Ab. I am atrracted to him through his music and that is just that. I don't think Gert herself feels that anyone who disagrees with her is bashing her. At least I am smart enough to know how poised she is when the attacks come at her. On the band wagon part, It is good to climb on it once in a while when statements don't seem right, so I agree with you on that, I must confess. Try it sometimes, it is a jolly ride.
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Amy wrote: I haven,t noticed the tight crotch grabbing jeans that you are talking about You're fooling no one.
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Gert
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Irishharper wrote: in…Lookin’ a little less romantic? Yes, and very interesting. However, we're talking attraction to fantasy here. The reality, in many ways, and in perhaps all ways, is so very different. In fact, toxic, as I have been saying for many years. This contrast is, in itself, compelling.
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I guess this makes you his #1 whore, eh Gert! I always thought you sounded like a vengeful jilted lover. I think you’ve taken this fantasy a bit further and are jealous as hell of others who might be/you perceive to be, close to him. That would explain your deliberately brutal, cruel and abrasive behavior toward him and his fans, bordering on abuse. Tell me, Gert, since you are so familiar with Freud’s Madonna/whore theory, while you have Bocelli chained to your bed are you fantasizing about being his whore or his mother? That’s right, it’s not just being torn between wanting to mother someone and also feel sexual desire towards him. If you are going to throw the Madonna/whore theory out there, don’t take it out of context like you are so prone to do. Tell the whole theory. Freud’s theory is that every mother has a secret desire to have incestuous sex with her son(s). Is that what this fantasy thing of yours really is? Are you using the Bocelli fantasy as a cover-up for your own sick Freudian desires? As for myself, I never felt the need to fantasize about anyone other than my husband. We lived our own fantasies every day – together. How does your Jewish Cowboy Prince fit into your fantasy world? One more thing. Amy is not too tightly wrapped so give her some space? Where the hell do you get off making that judgement, Irishharper. Because she disagreed and challenged you? Your mentor is teaching you well.
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Katy
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I don't think Gert's jewish prince is a cowboy Stella.
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Katy
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I don't see the need of a bandwagon. Surely you can express your own thoughts without aligning yourself with the negative posters. I don't accuse you of Gert bashing. I agree that she welcomes discussion and disagreement and in any event she is more than capable of dealing with it all herself as you have noticed. I don't think that anyone who posts on these sites is merely interested in Andrea's music. You can't hear him here. Surely there is nothing wrong with wanting to discuss the man behind the voice? Much of the venom directed towards gert in particular, because she is well known , but also towards anyone who disagrees with her , is ill-informed and based on misunderstandings and sense of humour failures. Not everyione posts entirely seriously here. Some posts are tongue-in -cheek and some meant only to provoke discussion. I know that this doesn't always translate well but -hey- its only a fansite! If you are new to this sort of thing you might like to look at the archives of the other bocelli sites. You would learn about andrea and also understand a little more where we are coming from. Noone here is a Bocelli basher. We just like to be able to expres our thoughts frankly. Stella often makes very good points but they are expressed with such venom it makes discussion difficult. if anyone else had used the sort of intemperate language she uses about another poster let alone Bocelli her accusations might have some substance. Forget the banwagon Amy.We are not divided into pro and anti Bocelli except in some warped minds.
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Katy
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I don't mind if you disagree judges but I certainly can't accept that it was mean.
On the other hand if off-topic really means sour grapes..........
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Simone
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I tried to post yesterday but the Topix gremlins were having a fun day, I think. We aren't actually discussing Freud as though we are to take him seriously, are we? Misogyny for the masses. Stella, it's wonderful that you never fantasised beyond your husband. Some of us, however, are mere mortals, and our imaginations go astray. I'm sure our partners do too. It's just human nature. I am sure that any woman in her right mind would be reluctant to want to fill either Enrica's or Veronica's shoes (or bras). It's not as though Andrea chooses his partners for their accomplishments, is it? Unless youth and handmaidenliness are considered accomplishments. But as a fantasy male, rather than a real life partner, he's really very acceptable. A big hunky Italian who frolics in the surf on his Arabian thoroughbred (no doubt taking a well-earned break from the earnest reading of French and Russian literature)? As fantasy figures go, one could do far worse. I agree with the suggestion that any of us posting on Bocelli sites are taking the experience that bit further than an appreciation for his voice. If all that is of interest is his voice, we would simply be listening to the CDs, and perhaps taking out second mortgages to see him in concert. The fact is that we are all, to some extent, fascinated with the man himself, whether we fantasise about tying him to the bedpost, or simply wonder what makes him tick. I'd second Katy's suggestion, for anyone new to this, of delving into the archives of some of the Bocelli fansites. At times there have been open, and fascinating, discussions of fans' thoughts regarding Andrea and their reactions to him. Sadly, it seems that discussion is often moderated away - a good reason to appreciate the freedom from moderation here.
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Gert
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Simone wrote: We aren't actually discussing Freud as though we are to take him seriously, are we? Misogyny for the masses.
I am sure that any woman in her right mind would be reluctant to want to fill either Enrica's or Veronica's shoes (or bras). It's not as though Andrea chooses his partners for their accomplishments, is it? Unless youth and handmaidenliness are considered accomplishments. But as a fantasy male, rather than a real life partner, he's really very acceptable. A big hunky Italian who frolics in the surf on his Arabian thoroughbred (no doubt taking a well-earned break from the earnest reading of French and Russian literature)? As fantasy figures go, one could do far worse. When you read about the Madonna/Whore Complex, it will almost always be written from a male's point of view. I am applying here from a female point of view. I do take it seriously because it explains so much in terms of human response - in terms of living it, in terms of viewing it. I think you have hit the nail on the head, Simone. Yes, Andrea Bocelli is a tremendous "fantasy" figure - almost caricatural in all it's details.(Thanks, I had forgotten about the horse). Enjoy the fantasy. Take a break from it, back away and you will see another caricature though certainly not a fantasy - the toxic male - insecure, arrogant, self-absorbed. A lot of angst arises here when these folks refuse to admit they DO fantasize or refuse to accept the fact, so clearly demonstrated by his actions, that their thoughts of him have little basis in reality.
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Carry
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Gert wrote: Yes, Andrea Bocelli is a tremendous "fantasy" figure - almost caricatural in all it's details.(Thanks, I had forgotten about the horse). Enjoy the fantasy. Take a break from it, back away and you will see another caricature though certainly not a fantasy - the toxic male - insecure, arrogant, self-absorbed. A lot of angst arises here when these folks refuse to admit they DO fantasize or refuse to accept the fact, so clearly demonstrated by his actions, that their thoughts of him have little basis in reality. I have often thought that it must be be a tremendous burden for those who are the "fantasy figures" - the rich, beautiful, talented, famous people. At a certain point I think many of them begin to believe the "fantasy" about themselves, but deep in their hearts they know the truth. They must expend tremendous energy to keep it going, otherwise they will be revealed as just the "man behind the curtain" like the Wizard of Oz.
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Carry wrote: <quoted text>
I have often thought that it must be be a tremendous burden for those who are the "fantasy figures" - the rich, beautiful, talented, famous people. At a certain point I think many of them begin to believe the "fantasy" about themselves, but deep in their hearts they know the truth. They must expend tremendous energy to keep it going, otherwise they will be revealed as just the "man behind the curtain" like the Wizard of Oz. I agree with the statement completely and that is why I have great compassion for Andrea. I think only very few - Alberto, his father - are allowed, with comfort behind that curtain.
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