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Hryhorii
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Bony Q wrote: Nikolai Gogol wrote in Russian and considered himself as Russian. Because he was smart enough to learn the standard Russian language. He was ashamed to speak the language of illiterate rural savages. Nobody in USA would write anything serious in cowboy dialect. Yes, Gogol wrote in the metropolitan language of imperial oppressor, and he upheld the Tsarist regime -- for which he was roundly criticized by the great literary critic, Bielinskii. Gogol was the descendant of Ukrainian Cossacks, and his early works, Taras Bulba and Evenings on a Farm in Dikanka, were written in Russian. They were also written about Ukrainian themes, and his characters used some Ukrainian words. Gogol's most famous works, the Inspector General and Dead Souls, were set in St. Petersburg and written on purely Russian themes. In the sum of all things, Gogol was a Russian writer of Ukrainian background.
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Hryhorii
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Bony Q wrote: Nikolai Gogol wrote in Russian and considered himself as Russian. Because he was smart enough to learn the standard Russian language. He was ashamed to speak the language of illiterate rural savages. Nobody in USA would write anything serious in cowboy dialect. Gogol was not a Ukrainian nationalist and he had to write in Russian to reach his audience. He did not see the potential in Ukrainian that Taras Shevchenko and Lesia Ukraina did, and because of that, he lost out on an opportunity to make an outstanding contribution to Ukraine's literary language. If Ukrainian language was reduced to the status of that of "rural illiterate savages," it was only because of the thoroughly repressive policies of the arrogant, stupid, urban-yet-parochial type of Russian Tsarist official that Gogol loved to skewer in his books. When Shevchenko proved the literary potential of Ukrainian language, Tsar Alexander acted quickly to make certain that it could not be developed any further, with an Ukaz of 1863 that forbade the printing of any Ukrainian books. This way, any real education would take place in Russia, and Ukraine's Cossack elite, Gogol's people, would become Russified. This type of colonial/superior attitude still survives, which is why Ukraine needs to think carefully before partnering up with a Russian "brother" who considers him to be nothing more than a yokel.
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Bony Q wrote: Nikolai Gogol wrote in Nobody in USA would write anything serious in cowboy dialect. America's greatest writer, Mark Twain, did exactly that. In Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Huck spoke in nothing but the colloqial dialect.
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Gogol wrote in standard language of educated persons and was not an idiot to write in a rural dialect.
To many Ukrainians were at highest ranks in the Empire. Does it mean one Ukrainians suppressed others?
It does not matter where it's written. Turgenev wrote almost all of his novels in France. But he is still Russian writer as Gogol.
Gogol was a Russian writer of Russian background because Ukraine did not exist at all. It was Malorossia and nation name was Maloross. The stupid term Ukraine was invented much later for political reasons.
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Hryhorii
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albeit wrote: Gogol wrote in standard language of educated persons and was not an idiot to write in a rural dialect.
To many Ukrainians were at highest ranks in the Empire. Does it mean one Ukrainians suppressed others?
It does not matter where it's written. Turgenev wrote almost all of his novels in France. But he is still Russian writer as Gogol.
Gogol was a Russian writer of Russian background because Ukraine did not exist at all. It was Malorossia and nation name was Maloross. The stupid term Ukraine was invented much later for political reasons. So what? By your reasoning, "Russia" didn't exist until the 18th century, because until then, it was "Muscovia." "Muscovia" was changed to "Russia" for political reasons as well. Take a linguistics class. Ruthenian was not a dialect, but a language in its own right, used by the Lithuanian chancellery in written documents, used by theologians and statesmen. The Treaty of Pereyaslav, which united Ukraine and Russia, was written in Russian and Ruthenian. Translators were needed by both sides to conclude the negotiations. Taras Shevchenko took this language to its next level, poetry, and when he succeeded, Tsar Alexander responded -- not by encouraging literacy or learning, but by trying to legislate this literary language out of existence. If Ukrainian became the spoken language of peasants only, it is because of the savage oppression which made the Tsars infamous.
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Hryhorii, do not made an clown from yourself :)) BTW Shevchenko not a poet at all. He did not have any talents except hatred, envy and alcoholism.
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Sisipisi wrote: Hryhorii, do not made an clown from yourself :))
BTW Shevchenko not a poet at all. He did not have any talents except hatred, envy and alcoholism. Are you projecting your own Russian chauvinist pathologies?
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“Don't forget Belarus”
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My only question is; "When will Russians living in Russia get indoor plumbing and hot running water." Maybe in the year 2090?
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albeit wrote: Gogol wrote in standard language of educated persons and was not an idiot to write in a rural dialect.
To many Ukrainians were at highest ranks in the Empire. Does it mean one Ukrainians suppressed others?
It does not matter where it's written. Turgenev wrote almost all of his novels in France. But he is still Russian writer as Gogol.
Gogol was a Russian writer of Russian background because Ukraine did not exist at all. It was Malorossia and nation name was Maloross. The stupid term Ukraine was invented much later for political reasons. Isn't this just more racist Russian chauvinist tripe sent from Moscow via anonymous or proxie server, as so many other racist Russian chauvinist posts?
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racist Russian chauvinist tripe
bad try, very bad try.
If we take into account, English is your first and the only language you could express you hatred to Russian richer.
But you just mooing like a pregnant fat cow in constipation.
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“Don't forget Belarus”
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
Big Lake, Alaska USA
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albeit wrote: racist Russian chauvinist tripe
bad try, very bad try.
If we take into account, English is your first and the only language you could express you hatred to Russian richer.
But you just mooing like a pregnant fat cow in constipation. Why should I speak any other language? English is the langauge of the world. Oh and remember: Indoor Plumbing > Bombs :)
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before 1480 Russians learnt Tartar language - Tartars disappeared as state before 1612 Russians learnt Polish language - Poland disappeared as state before 1812 Russians learnt French language - France Empire disappeared as state before 1945 Russians learnt German language - Germany disappeared as state Now Russians hardly learn American English....
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Why_Me wrote: <quoted text>
Why should I speak any other language? English is the langauge of the world. Most widespread languages of the world: Chinese (Mandarin) 1123 million English 470 million Hindi 418 million Spanish 372 million Russian 288 million
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“Don't forget Belarus”
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
Big Lake, Alaska USA
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coolncrazy wrote: <quoted text>
Most widespread languages of the world:
Chinese (Mandarin) 1123 million
English 470 million
Hindi 418 million
Spanish 372 million
Russian 288 million If Americans bred like rats, we would have 50 billion people here as well. But in the real world, when people of other nations do business with each other..nation to nation, Enlish is the default langauge.
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Krishnamurty wrote: <quoted text>
This quote expresses so eloquently the racist Russian chauvinist attitude, expressed by so many Russians, from so many different locations, on so many occasions, including recently by Putin himself, that Ukraine should avoid associating with. You are the first chauvinist, nationalist and a real NAZI in here. And all of your ideas are nationalistic based on the grounds that Ukraine is the hub of the Universe and existed before the Big Bang.
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Why_Me wrote: My only question is; "When will Russians living in Russia get indoor plumbing and hot running water."
Maybe in the year 2090? People live differently. What is convenient for you is not convenient for someone else. You got caught in an endless with this idea. They reality could be they just don't want to have that.
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Why_Me wrote: <quoted text>
If Americans bred like rats, we would have 50 billion people here as well. But in the real world, when people of other nations do business with each other..nation to nation, Enlish is the default langauge. Wrong. Now in here we have many job adds where an applicant is required to know Mandarin or Cantonize. And that's exactly for business. And this tendency grows and grows...
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“Don't forget Belarus”
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
Big Lake, Alaska USA
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Aussie wrote: <quoted text>
People live differently. What is convenient for you is not convenient for someone else.
You got caught in an endless with this idea. They reality could be they just don't want to have that. You could be correct about that Russian. Russians probably would be much more happy with a STRONG LEADER who likes to see tanks roll past Red Square much more than to have indoor plumbing. I guess that is the reason so many Russians seek visa's to the west yes? Becouse they want decent living conditions or becouse they want a strong leader who makes billions off of Russian rescources? You tell me. In the meantime I am going to enjoy living in a country with one of the highest living standards on this planet.:) Indoor Plumbing > Russian Nationalism
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Why_Me wrote: In the meantime I am going to enjoy living in a country with one of the highest living standards on this planet.:) No, that's I am living in that country :) And don't care about indoor plumbing, outdoor plumbing, russian nationalism, ukrainian nationalism, swedish homosexuals, etc. What I do care about is cascade Premium, Crown Lager and Hop Thief and, of course, good wine.
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Aussie wrote: <quoted text>
You are the first chauvinist, nationalist and a real NAZI in here. And all of your ideas are nationalistic based on the grounds that Ukraine is the hub of the Universe and existed before the Big Bang. Your posts smack of supremacist and racist Russian chauvinism. Are you another product of Russia's neofascist educational system?
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