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Argentina invites British diplomat to Buenos Aires

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DIEGO

Argentina

#1 Jun 8, 2012
DEANSTREET VOS TAMBIEN PODES VENIR..JOHN BARTON TAMBIEN ESTA INVITADO......TE ANIMARAS A VENIR AL PRIMER MUNDO?,........
SALUDOS DIEGO, SANTAFE, ARGENTINA
Biter

UK

#2 Jun 9, 2012
Good morning Diego

Discussion is pointless at the moment due to Argentinas constitution. It does not leave room for negotiation.

Argentina has 4 options I can see.

1) Win the hearts and minds of the Falkland Island people. I would suggest this option will be difficult following the invasion of 1982. It might be possible in 30-40 years, but Argentina is still today building hate using trade blockades against the population so maybe this option will not be available for 70-80 years.

2) Take a military option again and use force. Impossible at the moment. But you could build a sufficient armed force in 5 - 10 years. Of course at this point Great Britain will also have 2 Super Carriers and Satellites will make suprise very hard, so any convoy would be at the mercy of hunter killer submarines. A huge parachute drop might be possible though, but again only if intelligence did not know about it.

3) Go to the IJC and take it through the courts. This option seems unlikely as Great Britain does not look at desputes before 1974. Even if they would the legal case for Argentina is also weak, resting on only very two debated points. Argentinas government would not risk going to court and loosing. Loosing would end that government (politicians are selfish and greedy whatever the nation)

4) Keep raising the subject at the United Nations (U.N). This will never actually achieve anying in Argentinas favour. And it makes Argentina look colonialist, strengthening world opinion against it. The U.N will not over rule the rights of the Falkland Islands population. The U.N is itself a weak organisation with no power.

Have a nice weekend.

Best Regards

Biter
MAlvinero1

Thornhill, Canada

#3 Jun 9, 2012
4) Keep raising the subject at the United Nations (U.N). This will never actually achieve anying in Argentinas favour. And it makes Argentina look colonialist, strengthening world opinion against it. The U.N will not over rule the rights of the Falkland Islands population. The U.N is itself a weak organisation with no power.

Really? Why uk is a member of the UN then...
I think it is uk who is losing the batttle in world opinion.....
uk at the moment is a ROGUE nation...
Does not care what the international comunity demands....

3) Go to the IJC and take it through the courts. This option seems unlikely as Great Britain does not look at desputes before 1974. Even if they would the legal case for Argentina is also weak, resting on only very two debated points. Argentinas government would not risk going to court and losing. Loosing would end that government (politicians are selfish and greedy whatever the nation)

ICJ? How,uk will not sit for ANY issues prior to 1974.I have posted several times the link.
BTW,why uk DECLINED to settle the issue in a proper court of justice when invited by Argentina in 1884 and at least 5 times after???
HMmm.NO uk is beign shown as the imperial nation,and taken advantage of a weaker country.....
uk is FINISHED,economically,and MOrally!

Six Nobel Peace Prize winners call on UK to open talks on Falklands’ sovereignty
Six Nobel Peace Prize winners called for Britain to open talks with Argentina over the sovereignty of the Aflklands/Malvinas Islands, ahead of the 30th anniversary of the war between the two nations. The call came in the form of a letter directed to the UK's Prime Minister David Cameron.

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/28/six-nobel...
MAlvinero1

Thornhill, Canada

#4 Jun 9, 2012
2) Take a military option again and use force. Impossible at the moment. But you could build a sufficient armed force in 5 - 10 years. Of course at this point Great Britain will also have 2 Super Carriers and Satellites will make suprise very hard, so any convoy would be at the mercy of hunter killer submarines. A huge parachute drop might be possible though, but again only if intelligence did not know about it.
How uk will have military superiority,when economically is FINISHED????

BTW,Not the USA or the SA counties supports uk.....
francisco

Argentina

#5 Jun 9, 2012
Biter good morning, hope you are well.

Biter, about your post, I'll tell you the following. We do not have to win the hearts and minds of anyone. The islanders are British, and that's not something we worry or bother. This is a problem that are strictly territorial. And it will resolve, God willing, one day for what it is. A territorial problem. I remember that his own judge Dr Higgins, former president of the ICJ has made it very clear.

The military option does not interest us. We will not do anything to go to war. Certainly not against nuclear power. The Argentine possibilities of an attack, as long as the democratic system prevails in my country, is simply nonexistent. No government emerged in Argentina by popular vote to declare war on UK or launch a military operation of the type you describe.

The ICJ is the best option for both parties. But UK will not go. And I appreciate that you are the only British enough balls to admit this without turns or evasive. For years we have been charged unfairly and malicious cowards in this forum. I invite you to reflect on it ....On the other hand, I commented that I doubt that our case is weak. I understand and I respect your patriotism, but hopefully with the passage of time meditating and realize that the British sovereign rights are not as strong as you say are.

Sew part is self-determination. In a legal process against the ICJ would not risk my hopes to a win in Argentina. I acknowledge that this would be a very tough battle for us. But I trust that the Court would look for compensation to Argentina in some way if he lost at the end.

Your vision of the UN is apocalyptic. The UN is not only strong when the interests of any of the big 5 are at stake. I recognize that this case is one of them. But you you ignore several important things. The first is that the UN continues to UK in their desires and aspirations in this problem. on the contrary, 47 years ago that gives oxygen to the Argentine claim. May end with Argentina with a simple resolution, it simply does not appear for 47 years. Unlike all decisions, irrespective of their nature-given land to self-determination for the islanders. And I must remind you that there is a negative view against Argentina. Quite the contrary, the UN will never has noticed its face to Argentina in a hostile attitude against the Islanders. I invite you to look at the official website of all UN resolutions regarding the conflict. Both the General Assembly, such as the C-24. Argentina has been commended for his willingness to dialogue.

You must not forget either, the broad regional support we receive and the broad support in other forums or body s of which we are part.

My greetings.
Deanstreet

Newport, UK

#6 Jun 10, 2012
francisco wrote:
The ICJ is the best option for both parties. But UK will not go..
What absolute rubbish...

Garbage...

You should actually carry out a little research into YOUR country's history...

The UK requested argentina to settle the dispute regarding South Georgia, South Sandwich and the Antarctic territories at the International Court of Justice, not once, not twice but five times...

What happened - argentina ran.....

Need we say anymore..?

Kindest regards
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Thornhill, Canada

#7 Jun 10, 2012
Deanstreet wrote:
<quoted text>
What absolute rubbish...
Garbage...
You should actually carry out a little research into YOUR country's history...
The UK requested argentina to settle the dispute regarding South Georgia, South Sandwich and the Antarctic territories at the International Court of Justice, not once, not twice but five times...
What happened - argentina ran.....
Need we say anymore..?
Kindest regards
MISERABLE LIAR!
Is MAlvinas in the invitation?NOOOOOOO!
BTW,the uk,when the composition of the court was not favourable to them,pulled out the invitation...
Also both CHile and Argentina rejected it,because they were not told in advance what they were planning to do,of course they will reject that!

BTW why uk declined the invitation when Argentina invited uk to settle the dispute in a court of law in 1884???
Ace McCloud

UK

#9 Jun 10, 2012
You can forget history Malv. No court will go against the human rights of the Falkland Islanders. The self governing Islands are almost 200 years old. Almost as old as Argentina.

Not only are Argentinas legal claims weak in the extreme, any average lawyer would be able to show that the Islanders human rights would be put at great risk if sovereignty was given to Argentina. Even today Argentina talks that they do not care what happens to the People of the Falkland Islands. They want the land.

The risk of subjugation, denial of rights and oppression would be very high. The Argentinian government would move industry to the Islands to try and change the Islanders way of life and make it as intolerable as possible for them. You are basically talking about ethnic cleansing!

So please. Stop your fascist, colonialist bullshit and let those people live there lives as they have every right.
francisco

Argentina

#10 Jun 10, 2012
Deanstreet wrote:
<quoted text>
What absolute rubbish...
Garbage...
You should actually carry out a little research into YOUR country's history...
The UK requested argentina to settle the dispute regarding South Georgia, South Sandwich and the Antarctic territories at the International Court of Justice, not once, not twice but five times...
What happened - argentina ran.....
Need we say anymore..?
Kindest regards
Nosotros fuimos los primeros en invitarlos a un arbitraje oveja. Y tu sociuo lord ton lko reconocio expresamente en este foro, para luego borrar todos los post vinculados a ese interesante aspecto historico.

Y ya te dije, nosotros queremos discutir todo el paquete. No una parte.

Por cierto, luego de toda la mierda que dijiste en nuestra contra quedo demostrado una vez más que sos un fraude, y un calumniador. Tu país jamas ira a la CIJ. Por lo tanto nosotros no podemos demandarlos alli.

Pedazo de mierda....
francisco

Argentina

#11 Jun 10, 2012
Ace McCloud wrote:
You can forget history Malv. No court will go against the human rights of the Falkland Islanders. The self governing Islands are almost 200 years old. Almost as old as Argentina.
Not only are Argentinas legal claims weak in the extreme, any average lawyer would be able to show that the Islanders human rights would be put at great risk if sovereignty was given to Argentina. Even today Argentina talks that they do not care what happens to the People of the Falkland Islands. They want the land.
The risk of subjugation, denial of rights and oppression would be very high. The Argentinian government would move industry to the Islands to try and change the Islanders way of life and make it as intolerable as possible for them. You are basically talking about ethnic cleansing!
So please. Stop your fascist, colonialist bullshit and let those people live there lives as they have every right.
Eso es un proceso porsterior, si es que el mismo tiene lugar.

Lo primero a resolver no incluye a los isleños de forma alguna.

Lo primero es establecer quien es el legitimo propietario.

Lastima....
BritBob

Washington, UK

#12 Jun 10, 2012
The Falkland Islands have absolutely nothing to do with Argentina. There has been a continuous British presence on the Falklands since 1833. Argentina and Britain signed a treaty in 1850 called the 'Convention of Settlement' which settled all outstanding differences between the two nations. In the 1870s and 1880s the Argentine government produced maps that either omitted the Falklands or showed them in a different colour acknowledging the they had no claim to the Islands. (See '1882 Latzina Map'). It has only been since the time of Peron in the 1950s that the Argentine government has used the 'Falklands' ('Malvinas') issue to distract their people away from economic strife, most of which has been caused by political ineptness.
Ace McCloud

UK

#13 Jun 10, 2012
francisco wrote:
<quoted text>
Eso es un proceso porsterior, si es que el mismo tiene lugar.
Lo primero a resolver no incluye a los isleños de forma alguna.
Lo primero es establecer quien es el legitimo propietario.
Lastima....
Very well. Please believe as you wish. We all have our own beliefs on right and wrong, good and bad, legal or illegal.

But!! IMO You cannot separate the issue of the land and the people. Too say 'Lets first give Argentina the land first and worry about the people later is immoral, unethical and illegal.
francisco

Argentina

#14 Jun 10, 2012
Ace McCloud wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well. Please believe as you wish. We all have our own beliefs on right and wrong, good and bad, legal or illegal.
But!! IMO You cannot separate the issue of the land and the people. Too say 'Lets first give Argentina the land first and worry about the people later is immoral, unethical and illegal.
Segun tu propia jueza, y ex presidenta de la CIJ, no, no hay inmoralidad o ilegalidad alguna en lo que yo digo. Pues no hago más que repetir lo que ella dijo en un libro de su autoria.

Por cierto, si sos un hombre tan apegado a la ley, y te interesa tanto la moral. Comenza por darnos a los argies el buen ejemplo y defende a los debiles de injusticia pepetrada por tu propia reina y país. Me refiero a los pobres chagosianos.

O para ellos la autodeterminación no tiene validez?.

francisco

Argentina

#15 Jun 10, 2012
BritBob wrote:
The Falkland Islands have absolutely nothing to do with Argentina. There has been a continuous British presence on the Falklands since 1833. Argentina and Britain signed a treaty in 1850 called the 'Convention of Settlement' which settled all outstanding differences between the two nations. In the 1870s and 1880s the Argentine government produced maps that either omitted the Falklands or showed them in a different colour acknowledging the they had no claim to the Islands.(See '1882 Latzina Map'). It has only been since the time of Peron in the 1950s that the Argentine government has used the 'Falklands'('Malvinas') issue to distract their people away from economic strife, most of which has been caused by political ineptness.
Otro más que repite sandeces sin sentido.

Vamos gringo.... Anda, lee unos cuantos cientos de post en distintos topicos de este foro, y despues discutimos con algo más que tus sandeces risibles.
Terry Hill

São Paulo, Brazil

#16 Jun 10, 2012
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS said:

"MISERABLE LIAR!

False Falklands History at the United Nations How Argentina misled the UN in 1964 – and still does © 2012 by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper

12. Britain did not seize South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands by force from Argentina.
In his speech in 1964, José María Ruda asserted that Britain had “wrested” South Georgia and the South Sandwich islands That is false; they never were
Argentinian. They lie east of the line laid down by Spain and Portugal in the Treaty of Tordesillas (1494) to divide New World territory between them. By Argentina’s own argument that would make them Portuguese, not Spanish.
Captain James Cook claimed South Georgia for Britain in 1775 and was also the first to sight the South Sandwich Islands. Britain’s claims to them and other Antarctic and sub- Antarctic territories were consolidated in Letters Patent in 1908 and 1917 – without any protest from Argentina, whose
attention was drawn to these documents. Argentina expressed no interest in those territories until 1927, when it made a claim to South Georgia and the South Orkneys to the Postal Conference in Berne. Argentina first mentioned a claim to all the Falkland Islands Dependencies in 1937, when it reserved
its rights to them following an incidental remark by a British representative to a whaling conference going on at the time.
That incidental reservation was not followed by any formal
diplomatic claim. Such a claim only began to be firmly pressed by President Perón from 1946 onwards. Britain countered this with several invitations to Argentina to take its claim to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The
Hague. In 1955, Britain tried to take the case unilaterally to
the ICJ, but Argentina refused all such offers.3 In March 1982 Argentine actions on South Georgia led to the Falklands War.
francisco

Argentina

#17 Jun 10, 2012
jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja jajajaja!!!!!!!!!!

La argentina engaño a la ONu en 1964/65?.

Si?.

O sea que: 1- Según ustedes Cecil King y el FO detras de el eran unos inutiles.

2- La Argentina pudo mantener viva y coleando a su gran mentira durante 47 años hasta el día de hoy.

3- La ONU fue engañada e inducida para resolver 10 veces que lo que la Argentina queria que resolviera en su Asamblea General.

4- Las últimas 7 resoluciones fueron consecutivas, año tras año desde 1982 hasta 1988.

5- Eso indica que la Argentina engaño a la ONU, y la indujo al error durante 7 años, 7 veces consecutivas!.

6- De todas las imbecilidades anterirores, se desprende que la Argentina pacto con Lucifer para tener al mundo engañado durante 47 años con una habilidad que no es de este mundo.

7- No devemos olvidarnos que 130 países del mundo nucleados en el G-77 siguen engañados por Argentina y se pronuncian en contra del angelical UK.

Gracias por existir gringos!. Sin ustedes mi vida seria un poco aburrida algunas veces!.

jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja jajajajajaja!!!!!!!!!
Terry Hill

São Paulo, Brazil

#18 Jun 10, 2012
francisco said
"La argentina engaño a la ONu en 1964/65?."

Your finally catching on. Oh! boy, the truth hurts.
Your government is fraudulent in all it's dealings.
Not just with UK. Your an equal opportunist fraudster.
Ask the US, Europe, or brazil who have all raised objections to Argentina's shenanigans.
BritBob

Washington, UK

#19 Jun 10, 2012
Unfortunately for our Argentine friends, Argentina lies in 100th place in the World's Index of Corrupt Nations sandwiched in between Benin and Birkina Faso. For their politicians, not being truthful is second nature. Unfortunately, since the 1950s these lies about the Falkland Islands, which are pure propaganda, are taken as the truth. Shame...
dEANSTREET

Newport, UK

#20 Jun 10, 2012
francisco wrote:
<quoted text>
Nosotros fuimos los primeros en invitarlos a un arbitraje oveja. Y tu sociuo lord ton lko reconocio expresamente en este foro, para luego borrar todos los post vinculados a ese interesante aspecto historico.
Y ya te dije, nosotros queremos discutir todo el paquete. No una parte.
Por cierto, luego de toda la mierda que dijiste en nuestra contra quedo demostrado una vez más que sos un fraude, y un calumniador. Tu país jamas ira a la CIJ. Por lo tanto nosotros no podemos demandarlos alli.
Pedazo de mierda....
Francesca,

you really oughta get something done about your fixation with sheep - do you fancy ewes or rams..?

Anyway, back to the ICJ..

Just imagine if in the late 1940s through to the mid 1950s argentina had accepted the the invitation/request to use the ICJ to settle this particular aspect of the dispute and won the case..

Imagine it...

The Falkland Islands problem would have collapsed like a card house...
Britain would have had absolutely no choice but to hand over the Islands...

But what happened, argentina ran, and ran as fast as its very little legs could carry it..

It gave out the (in my opinion the correct) that argentina had absolutely no confidence then in its legal case.

Somebody else in this topic also mentioned the makeup of the Court at the time was not favourable to argentina...

Well, argentina has had nearly 60 years to choose its time to say yes to ICJ, but you have never done it.

You have to ponder this, scratch your head and ask the simple question - WHY..?

The only reason that one can come up with is, that again, argentina does not have a case strong enough to present to the ICJ.

Kindest regards
francisco

Argentina

#21 Jun 10, 2012
Terry Hill wrote:
francisco said
"La argentina engaño a la ONu en 1964/65?."
Your finally catching on. Oh! boy, the truth hurts.
Your government is fraudulent in all it's dealings.
Not just with UK. Your an equal opportunist fraudster.
Ask the US, Europe, or brazil who have all raised objections to Argentina's shenanigans.
Vos solo crees esa gran idiotez!.

Y no podes darme una respuesta bien pensada, choerente y senzata!.

Despues de 47 años y 10 resoluciones de la Asamblea genreal tenes que ser muy, pero muy idiota para decir la clase de idioteces que estas diciendo.

Ese es mi punto. Y vos lo demostras magistralmente para mi.

Gracias!.

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