My neighbor shot my dogs and got away...

My neighbor shot my dogs and got away with it

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Just Me

United States

#1 Jul 28, 2009
My neighbor shot 2 of my dogs while I was gone last Saturday. He said they were chasing his calfs so he just shot them. If something runs from a dog it is going to chase it for sure but the problem I have is it was their first offense, one of the dogs had been here 1 year and the other only a month, had he called me I could have taken the wiemeriner back to the humane society, both were only about 1 year old. The other dog came from a local animal rescue. I called the sherriff's office and they did nothing. I called a local humane society and all they told me they could figure out was to hire a lawyer for a civil suit. Hershey was my best friend, I wouldn't take any amount of money for him and no amout of money will get him back but the man who shot my dogs should pay someway. [email protected] if anyone has any affordable suggestions
Jeeze

Mobile, AL

#2 Jul 28, 2009
No the guy who shot your dog was completely within his rights, YOUR dogs invaded his property, YOUR dogs chased his property and could have caused death and YOUR dogs were off your property. So it is YOUR fault not his.
As a dog owner it is YOUR responsibility to keep your dogs contained on your property, which you didnt do, he was protecting his property, totally within his rights.
Disgusted

Prescott, AZ

#3 Jul 28, 2009
My neighbor in Prescott Arizona shot my girlfriends cat of 7 years.

About 4 months ago after deciding to move in with my girlfriend I went to introduce myself to my neighbors. I commented to my neighbor about her garden and she told me it was hard to keep up with and that feral cats were digging up her plants. I asked howshe was taking care of thesituation andshe said that she uses a "air rifle" to control feral cats.

About 2 months ago our cat came up missing and when she is confronted about it she turns and walks away.

The sheriff and animal control were notified,but both of these organizations a useless.
Dawn

United States

#4 Jul 28, 2009
Disgusted wrote:
My neighbor in Prescott Arizona shot my girlfriends cat of 7 years.
About 4 months ago after deciding to move in with my girlfriend I went to introduce myself to my neighbors. I commented to my neighbor about her garden and she told me it was hard to keep up with and that feral cats were digging up her plants. I asked howshe was taking care of thesituation andshe said that she uses a "air rifle" to control feral cats.
About 2 months ago our cat came up missing and when she is confronted about it she turns and walks away.
The sheriff and animal control were notified,but both of these organizations a useless.
Why didn't you call the police?report this person877///847///4787
Just Me

United States

#5 Jul 29, 2009
In the county I live in there is no leash law, his dog is at my house 7 days a week looking for something to eat. There is no way my dogs were going to cause death to his property, his property has gotten out many times and destroyed my personal property and I never said a word. One of the reasons I live way out in the country is so that I can have dogs who aren't penned up or chained up. As I said the new dog had only been here a month and it was his first offense, he could have called me and I would have made sure it didn't happen again, we have been good neighbors for 8 years, never a cross word, so in your opinion next time his caows get out I can start shooting away?

Jeeze wrote:
No the guy who shot your dog was completely within his rights, YOUR dogs invaded his property, YOUR dogs chased his property and could have caused death and YOUR dogs were off your property. So it is YOUR fault not his.
As a dog owner it is YOUR responsibility to keep your dogs contained on your property, which you didnt do, he was protecting his property, totally within his rights.
Jeeze

Mobile, AL

#6 Jul 30, 2009
Just Me wrote:
In the county I live in there is no leash law, his dog is at my house 7 days a week looking for something to eat. There is no way my dogs were going to cause death to his property, his property has gotten out many times and destroyed my personal property and I never said a word. One of the reasons I live way out in the country is so that I can have dogs who aren't penned up or chained up. As I said the new dog had only been here a month and it was his first offense, he could have called me and I would have made sure it didn't happen again, we have been good neighbors for 8 years, never a cross word, so in your opinion next time his caows get out I can start shooting away?
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Actually if they are causing damage to your property, yes, you have the right to protect it. Admittedly it is harder to justify shooting a dangerous cow, than it is a dangerous dog. But in general the same principal applys.
Dogs are not safe when they run free, even in the country, it dosnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you allow your animals to run free, you risk the possiblity of something happening to them.If you dont protect them by keeping them contained, then its really hard to justify complaining about what happened to them. You are thier owner, and you are responsible for them if they go off your property, that is simple law. Go ask any other lawyer or judge...
Craig

Leeds, UK

#7 Aug 6, 2010
You should shoot him
metoo

Sleepy Eye, MN

#8 Jun 14, 2011
Jeeze wrote:
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Actually if they are causing damage to your property, yes, you have the right to protect it. Admittedly it is harder to justify shooting a dangerous cow, than it is a dangerous dog. But in general the same principal applys.
Dogs are not safe when they run free, even in the country, it dosnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you allow your animals to run free, you risk the possiblity of something happening to them.If you dont protect them by keeping them contained, then its really hard to justify complaining about what happened to them. You are thier owner, and you are responsible for them if they go off your property, that is simple law. Go ask any other lawyer or judge...
actually, the only justification for shooting an animal is if it is threatening the life of a human, or livestock (chickens included), or one of your pets, sometimes even if it is chasing deer. You can not shoot his cow because it tore up your $50,000 prize rose bushes. Seriously, I know this. I shot and killed my neighbor's dog after it attacked my sheep. My neighbor then proceeded to threaten my livestock (which has never been on their property) and then even tore down a portion of the fence separating our property (a major criminal offense worth over $20,000 fine and up to 5 years in prison). The police had to visit them multiple times and finally told them that next time they are going to arrest them. It is a new spring and they are prepping to tear down the fence again, but, this time we will not mearly replace it and look the other way. So, neighbors, if you are reading this, we will sue you to the full extent (including the vet bill for our injured animals), you will have to pay tripple the cost of the fence to us, pay the criminal charges and jail time to the county, and you will have to put up and maintain 1/2 of the fence on our shared property line. If you fail to do this, we will put a lien against your house for, the totally legal, tripple the cost of installing the fence. Totalled? Over $100,000 and up to 5 years in prison. All for a dog that you failed to care for, we warned you it had an unhealthy interest in our livestock and you still did not listen. We tried to catch your dog, we yelled as loud as we could for you to come help us, but due to your stupidity and unneighborliness and disgustingly selfish behavior, we were forced to shoot your dog. Then you have the gaul to tell me that I should have let your dog kill my livestock because your dog is more important. Sorry, but if your dog was so darn important, you would have cared for it. You killed your dog.

“FED UP WITH TOPIX”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#9 Jun 15, 2011
Just Me wrote:
My neighbor shot 2 of my dogs while I was gone last Saturday. He said they were chasing his calfs so he just shot them. If something runs from a dog it is going to chase it for sure but the problem I have is it was their first offense, one of the dogs had been here 1 year and the other only a month, had he called me I could have taken the wiemeriner back to the humane society, both were only about 1 year old. The other dog came from a local animal rescue. I called the sherriff's office and they did nothing. I called a local humane society and all they told me they could figure out was to hire a lawyer for a civil suit. Hershey was my best friend, I wouldn't take any amount of money for him and no amout of money will get him back but the man who shot my dogs should pay someway. [email protected] if anyone has any affordable suggestions
First off, let me say I'm so sorry for your loss. Take his ass to court. Make sure you find an 'animal friendly' lawyer, there are many out there, trust me. Even though your dogs weren't leashed, they never harmed anything on your neighbors property, you have a case. You will win. Do it for Hershey, he deserves justice.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#10 Jun 15, 2011
Obsessive? Dig up a thread 2 years old? The original poster was irresponsible with his dog and sounds a bit ignorant. End of story.

hiss of death

“Bowhunting Is Euphoric”

Since: Jan 09

Double Lung em

#11 Jun 15, 2011
gokeefe wrote:
Obsessive? Dig up a thread 2 years old? The original poster was irresponsible with his dog and sounds a bit ignorant. End of story.
Yup, irresponsible pet owner got his own dog shot. Personally, I would have tried to discourage the dog with less lethal means first. Sometimes, just shooting the offender in the rump with a pellet gun or sling-shot works just fine. Livestock is a livelihood and protecting it is within the law.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#12 Jun 15, 2011
LiddySays wrote:
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First off, let me say I'm so sorry for your loss. Take his ass to court. Make sure you find an 'animal friendly' lawyer, there are many out there, trust me. Even though your dogs weren't leashed, they never harmed anything on your neighbors property, you have a case. You will win. Do it for Hershey, he deserves justice.
Do we know for a fact that this event actually occurred? Or is it just another fabrication of a devious demented ARA mind? If true, I too am sorry for the loss of the dogs. The bottom line though, is the owner of the dogs acted irresponsibly by not controlling his dogs and keeping them from violating the property rights of his neighbor. Since animals don't have rights and cannot be prosecuted, the people who own them are held responsible for the actions of and damage by those animals. Admittedly, the neighbor was a bit extreme but completely within his rights when he shot the dogs. The fault for this incident (if it really happened) lies completely with the dog owner and he should understand that his irresponsible failure to maintain control of his animals not only got his dogs killed but also that having your animals running uncontrolled on the private property of a neighbor harassing livestock is a prosecutable offense. He could have been fined or jailed as well as losing his dogs. It's just a damn shame that the dogs suffered for the careless, irresponsible behavior of a bad owner.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#13 Jun 15, 2011
hiss of death wrote:
<quoted text>Yup, irresponsible pet owner got his own dog shot. Personally, I would have tried to discourage the dog with less lethal means first. Sometimes, just shooting the offender in the rump with a pellet gun or sling-shot works just fine. Livestock is a livelihood and protecting it is within the law.
Unfortunately, we don't know the entire story here. The discussion is based on the first post, no news story. For all we know, the person who shot the dog may very well have attempted to protect against the dog using non-lethal means. It sounds almost as if this dog became a menace and I fully agree with you regarding protecting one's livelihood.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#14 Jun 15, 2011
LiddySays wrote:
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First off, let me say I'm so sorry for your loss. Take his ass to court. Make sure you find an 'animal friendly' lawyer, there are many out there, trust me. Even though your dogs weren't leashed, they never harmed anything on your neighbors property, you have a case. You will win. Do it for Hershey, he deserves justice.
You do realize that tresspassing by you or your animals is illegal and either could be legally shot in the defense of life, home, and property, don't you? The "castle doctrin" runs deep in our laws. This dog owner has no case and is fortunate not to have been prosecuted for his negligence.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#15 Jun 15, 2011
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that tresspassing by you or your animals is illegal and either could be legally shot in the defense of life, home, and property, don't you? The "castle doctrin" runs deep in our laws. This dog owner has no case and is fortunate not to have been prosecuted for his negligence.
Could "castle doctrine" be used here? I'm not really clear on that issue, we had HB184 passed here a couple years ago to clear up some ambiguity with our CCW laws, but I always interpreted it as a matter of "life or death" of the occupants of the home. Maybe I'm not understanding this fully--so can you explain a bit more? Or does this interpretation vary state by state? See http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5758/ . I agree the dog owner has no case (due to negligence) but I wouldn't worry about castle doctrine in this case, either.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#16 Jun 15, 2011
gokeefe wrote:
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Could "castle doctrine" be used here? I'm not really clear on that issue, we had HB184 passed here a couple years ago to clear up some ambiguity with our CCW laws, but I always interpreted it as a matter of "life or death" of the occupants of the home. Maybe I'm not understanding this fully--so can you explain a bit more? Or does this interpretation vary state by state? See http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5758/ . I agree the dog owner has no case (due to negligence) but I wouldn't worry about castle doctrine in this case, either.
We don't know the circumstances of the incident. If the dogs were endangering the life of livestock it ccould apply. My point is that we have the right to defend ourselves and our property from invasion. If the invader presents a possible deadly threat then deadly force is a reasonable defense. Were thes dogs endangering the lives of the calves? We don't know. Did the neighbor try a nonlethal method first? We don't know. One thing is clear though, the neighbor has the right to defend his property and livestock and the dog owner has the responsibility to control his dogs.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#17 Jun 15, 2011
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>We don't know the circumstances of the incident. If the dogs were endangering the life of livestock it ccould apply. My point is that we have the right to defend ourselves and our property from invasion. If the invader presents a possible deadly threat then deadly force is a reasonable defense. Were thes dogs endangering the lives of the calves? We don't know. Did the neighbor try a nonlethal method first? We don't know. One thing is clear though, the neighbor has the right to defend his property and livestock and the dog owner has the responsibility to control his dogs.
Agreed. It does sound as though the dogs could have been a menace. The original poster sounded as if he/she were negligent--it is a dog's owner's responsibility to keep their dogs on their own property.

“FED UP WITH TOPIX”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#18 Jun 15, 2011
Yep, keep talking to yourselves there trolls, have fun with that. Nom on this comment too.

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