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Activist tosses tear gas into crowd, saving bull from being tortured to death

There are 123 comments on the www.negotiationisover.net story from Sep 18, 2011, titled Activist tosses tear gas into crowd, saving bull from being tortured to death. In it, www.negotiationisover.net reports that:

A WOMAN animal rights activist launched tear gas into the crowd attending the Toro de la Vega celebrations this week in the town of Tordesillas, 28km southwest of Valladolid during a traditional 'bull run' that takes place in the second week of September each year.

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Moe

Charlotte, NC

#84 Sep 20, 2011
DavidH64 wrote:
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals
I hope the stupid cnut that threw the teargas is sentenced to the fullest extent of their law.
She is nothing more than a terrorist and should be treated as such.

Since: Sep 11

United States

#85 Sep 20, 2011
Aunt No wrote:
The bull should have been saved from the torture. Tear gas does not seem like a very safe method of saving the poor creature though. Effective? Yes, safe? No
You seem like a logical person. Are you a vegan? If so would you mind me asking you a couple of questions?

Since: Aug 11

Memphis, TN

#86 Sep 21, 2011
Bow_hunter86 wrote:
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You seem like a logical person. Are you a vegan? If so would you mind me asking you a couple of questions?
Not a vegan... Vegetarian in the making..
I started out mostly thinking about dogs/cats and wanting to make a difference in their lives. Some good points HAVE been made by various people on this forum that made me realize my focus needed to change/expand. I realize not purchasing certain food items for my little 3 person family won't make a huge difference, but it is a start and I want to learn how to responsibly move forward and explore other ways of helping. I don't think PETA is the way to go, but that is just my opinion. I think hunting, humanely, is much better than factory farms.(Now I will be called silly names, but it does not bother me.) God gave us dominion over the animals when Eve made her stupid mistake and we should treat them humanely. Wish I could remember the passage that states we will be judged by Him on how we treat animals...
SORRY, I rambled...

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#87 Sep 21, 2011
Actually, the terrorist.... my bad... activist should be placed in a bull pin, tear gassed, and with a raging bull on the loose.

How fcuking stupid can this woman be endangering the lives of these people?!!? I hope to god she spends a long time in jail. Stupid fcuking cnut.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#88 Sep 21, 2011
Moe wrote:
<quoted text>She is nothing more than a terrorist and should be treated as such.
That is EXACTLY what she is, a TERRORIST. And should be treated accordingly.

Joe USA

“"Fortitudine Vincimus"”

Since: Oct 09

USA

#89 Sep 21, 2011
Aunt No wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a vegan... Vegetarian in the making..
I started out mostly thinking about dogs/cats and wanting to make a difference in their lives. Some good points HAVE been made by various people on this forum that made me realize my focus needed to change/expand. I realize not purchasing certain food items for my little 3 person family won't make a huge difference, but it is a start and I want to learn how to responsibly move forward and explore other ways of helping. I don't think PETA is the way to go, but that is just my opinion. I think hunting, humanely, is much better than factory farms.(Now I will be called silly names, but it does not bother me.) God gave us dominion over the animals when Eve made her stupid mistake and we should treat them humanely. Wish I could remember the passage that states we will be judged by Him on how we treat animals...
SORRY, I rambled...
When you say "the passage that states we will be judged by Him on how we treat animals..."
.... if you mean the "Bible" as in "Holy scripture" it is not there.
There have passivist or writers over time who have made statements like this after some sort of personal "epiphany", or pondering life in their later years.
The ARs here use a quote from Gandhi, I believe, that says something like it.
I agree with you, from the Bible, God has given Man dominion over animals to use and care for.

Joe USA

“"Fortitudine Vincimus"”

Since: Oct 09

USA

#90 Sep 21, 2011
^^^There have "been"....^^^

Since: Aug 11

Memphis, TN

#91 Sep 21, 2011
Joe USA wrote:
<quoted text>
When you say "the passage that states we will be judged by Him on how we treat animals..."
.... if you mean the "Bible" as in "Holy scripture" it is not there.
There have passivist or writers over time who have made statements like this after some sort of personal "epiphany", or pondering life in their later years.
The ARs here use a quote from Gandhi, I believe, that says something like it.
I agree with you, from the Bible, God has given Man dominion over animals to use and care for.
When I lost a beloved pet, I found a book that helped me through the whole ordeal and there was a passage from the Bible quoted. Unfortunately, a dog we rescued decided to chew the book to bits and I don't have it handy any longer. Learned a lesson though! Dogs don't read, they chew, so I keep my books on the shelf now.

“Really??”

Since: Jan 11

Near the Water

#92 Sep 21, 2011
@Aunt No -
You will find that we "pro-cruelty" (as the ARA's label us) people are not actually pro-cruelty. Instead we are anti-terrorism, anti-violence, anti-ARA.
I feel comfortable speaking for JoeUSA, Gokeefe, Squach, Medicinebow, Bow_Hunter, and the rest of us on here when I say we are for animal welfare, but none of us believe animals have rights.(sorry if I misspoke) NONE of us want to see animals treated unfairly by humans, since we are the ones who are supposed to care for them. However, we believe that hunting is okay and in most cases benefits the animal population. I for one have read many articles in my area here in VA where if the deer are not hunted they will overpopulate which inturn leads them to starve and die horrible deaths.
Also, we have zero problem with what people eat... Vegan/Vegetarian/MeatEater... it truly doesn't matter. We will not push our ideas on eating meat with those people who choose a different path. However, we will NOT tolerate someone who doesn't eat meat to bully us around because we do.
Okay Dokey - so now I've rambled. Welcome to our wonderful forum... public forum I may add for the poopheads who will try to bully me in a few minutes.

Since: Aug 11

Memphis, TN

#93 Sep 21, 2011
Just Rambling wrote:
@Aunt No -
You will find that we "pro-cruelty" (as the ARA's label us) people are not actually pro-cruelty. Instead we are anti-terrorism, anti-violence, anti-ARA.
I feel comfortable speaking for JoeUSA, Gokeefe, Squach, Medicinebow, Bow_Hunter, and the rest of us on here when I say we are for animal welfare, but none of us believe animals have rights.(sorry if I misspoke) NONE of us want to see animals treated unfairly by humans, since we are the ones who are supposed to care for them. However, we believe that hunting is okay and in most cases benefits the animal population. I for one have read many articles in my area here in VA where if the deer are not hunted they will overpopulate which inturn leads them to starve and die horrible deaths.
Also, we have zero problem with what people eat... Vegan/Vegetarian/MeatEater... it truly doesn't matter. We will not push our ideas on eating meat with those people who choose a different path. However, we will NOT tolerate someone who doesn't eat meat to bully us around because we do.
Okay Dokey - so now I've rambled. Welcome to our wonderful forum... public forum I may add for the poopheads who will try to bully me in a few minutes.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but some of the people that post on here seem to be a few bricks shy of a full load.. I get so sick of the words "stupid" and "troll". Hunters and activists alike have made valid points for their "side", but mostly there is a TON of childish blabber from one side in particular. That does NOTHING to help the welfare of animals anywhere.
I think animals have the right to be free from abuse and inhumane treatment, just like we do, but I don't think that is what "ARA" people mean by rights. As a humane hunter, you are educated, I am sure, in the proper way of taking down an animal. I am sure if you came across someone abusing an injured animal you would intervene...

“Really??”

Since: Jan 11

Near the Water

#94 Sep 21, 2011
Aunt No wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to put too fine a point on it, but some of the people that post on here seem to be a few bricks shy of a full load.. I get so sick of the words "stupid" and "troll". Hunters and activists alike have made valid points for their "side", but mostly there is a TON of childish blabber from one side in particular. That does NOTHING to help the welfare of animals anywhere.
I think animals have the right to be free from abuse and inhumane treatment, just like we do, but I don't think that is what "ARA" people mean by rights. As a humane hunter, you are educated, I am sure, in the proper way of taking down an animal. I am sure if you came across someone abusing an injured animal you would intervene...
I personally do not hunt, but I have friends and family who do. They are all humane hunters. The only thing I kill are snakes, spiders, bugs, and other insects. If I ever saw someone being abusive to an animal I would step in immediately.

Since: Sep 11

Alexandria, VA

#95 Sep 21, 2011
Just Rambling wrote:
@Aunt No -
You will find that we "pro-cruelty" (as the ARA's label us) people are not actually pro-cruelty. Instead we are anti-terrorism, anti-violence, anti-ARA.
I feel comfortable speaking for JoeUSA, Gokeefe, Squach, Medicinebow, Bow_Hunter, and the rest of us on here when I say we are for animal welfare, but none of us believe animals have rights.(sorry if I misspoke) NONE of us want to see animals treated unfairly by humans, since we are the ones who are supposed to care for them. However, we believe that hunting is okay and in most cases benefits the animal population. I for one have read many articles in my area here in VA where if the deer are not hunted they will overpopulate which inturn leads them to starve and die horrible deaths.
Also, we have zero problem with what people eat... Vegan/Vegetarian/MeatEater... it truly doesn't matter. We will not push our ideas on eating meat with those people who choose a different path. However, we will NOT tolerate someone who doesn't eat meat to bully us around because we do.
Okay Dokey - so now I've rambled. Welcome to our wonderful forum... public forum I may add for the poopheads who will try to bully me in a few minutes.
You are quite right sir. I am an animal lover as our most hunters. I have never set out with the intent of hurting an animal. I've passed up several shots including the buck of a lifetime because I could not get an ethical shot. I was at a outdoors show and was speaking with an author and he gave me what I consider one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard. "We do not hunt to kill, we kill to have hunted." I would not hunt a cow nor would I hunt a stocked property because there is no hunting involved. The ara like to say we hate animals and are insanely cruel. They do not know us or I'm willing to bet any hunter for that matter. I have a dog whom I love dearly. He is better cared for then some peoples children. He has free run of both the house and the property and is always happy and usually right on my heels wherever I go. I would not hesitate to whip somebody for harming him. At the end of the day the difference between the hunters on here and the ara is that we realize that it's a dog.

@ auntnoYou said you have a family of three. I'm guessing your spouse and a child. The leader of the humane society has said that an ants life is equal to his childs life. If you don't agree with this then you'll have a hard time fitting in with these people.

Since: Sep 11

Alexandria, VA

#96 Sep 21, 2011
Aunt No wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a vegan... Vegetarian in the making..
I started out mostly thinking about dogs/cats and wanting to make a difference in their lives. Some good points HAVE been made by various people on this forum that made me realize my focus needed to change/expand. I realize not purchasing certain food items for my little 3 person family won't make a huge difference, but it is a start and I want to learn how to responsibly move forward and explore other ways of helping. I don't think PETA is the way to go, but that is just my opinion. I think hunting, humanely, is much better than factory farms.(Now I will be called silly names, but it does not bother me.) God gave us dominion over the animals when Eve made her stupid mistake and we should treat them humanely. Wish I could remember the passage that states we will be judged by Him on how we treat animals...
SORRY, I rambled...
Vegitarian in the making? What is making you want to walk this path? Does your family share your desire? I'm sorry if I'm asking to many questions but your the first vegetarian that I've come in contact with that isnt self righteous

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#97 Sep 21, 2011
Just Rambling wrote:
@Aunt No -
You will find that we "pro-cruelty" (as the ARA's label us) people are not actually pro-cruelty. Instead we are anti-terrorism, anti-violence, anti-ARA.
I feel comfortable speaking for JoeUSA, Gokeefe, Squach, Medicinebow, Bow_Hunter, and the rest of us on here when I say we are for animal welfare, but none of us believe animals have rights.(sorry if I misspoke) NONE of us want to see animals treated unfairly by humans, since we are the ones who are supposed to care for them. However, we believe that hunting is okay and in most cases benefits the animal population. I for one have read many articles in my area here in VA where if the deer are not hunted they will overpopulate which inturn leads them to starve and die horrible deaths.
Also, we have zero problem with what people eat... Vegan/Vegetarian/MeatEater... it truly doesn't matter. We will not push our ideas on eating meat with those people who choose a different path. However, we will NOT tolerate someone who doesn't eat meat to bully us around because we do.
Okay Dokey - so now I've rambled. Welcome to our wonderful forum... public forum I may add for the poopheads who will try to bully me in a few minutes.
Nope. You said it correctly.

The same problem exists here in Ohio regarding deer. I'm beginning to see large deer carcasses all over the highway already here. Nice young buck this weekend I saw got smacked by an 18 wheeler, tossed right across the road.

What one's diet is, is a personal choice and decision based on many variables. Tying diet into one's morality or attempting to slander someone for hunting or eating meat is akin to slandering someone for their race, religion, or ethnicity IMHO.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#98 Sep 21, 2011
Aunt No wrote:
<quoted text>\
I think animals have the right to be free from abuse and inhumane treatment, just like we do, but I don't think that is what "ARA" people mean by rights. As a humane hunter, you are educated, I am sure, in the proper way of taking down an animal. I am sure if you came across someone abusing an injured animal you would intervene...
Exactly. What an ARA means by rights is to 1) prevent any human being from consuming meat, hunting, or having pets and 2) when taken in the legal sense, they want animals to be the legal equivalent of humans. Watch for their pitfalls and false analogies to comparing the animal rights movement to the civil rights movements.

“Use renewable resources”

Since: Apr 11

Wear fur and save the earth

#99 Sep 21, 2011
Aunt No wrote:
<quoted text>

I think animals have the right to be free from abuse and inhumane treatment,
Have you ever watched a nature video? Mother nature is far more of a cold-hearted bitch than humans. The "cruelty" from nature by far surpasses what humans do.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#100 Sep 21, 2011
Just Rambling wrote:
@Aunt No -
You will find that we "pro-cruelty" (as the ARA's label us) people are not actually pro-cruelty. Instead we are anti-terrorism, anti-violence, anti-ARA.
I feel comfortable speaking for JoeUSA, Gokeefe, Squach, Medicinebow, Bow_Hunter, and the rest of us on here when I say we are for animal welfare, but none of us believe animals have rights.(sorry if I misspoke) NONE of us want to see animals treated unfairly by humans, since we are the ones who are supposed to care for them. However, we believe that hunting is okay and in most cases benefits the animal population. I for one have read many articles in my area here in VA where if the deer are not hunted they will overpopulate which inturn leads them to starve and die horrible deaths.
Also, we have zero problem with what people eat... Vegan/Vegetarian/MeatEater... it truly doesn't matter. We will not push our ideas on eating meat with those people who choose a different path. However, we will NOT tolerate someone who doesn't eat meat to bully us around because we do.
Okay Dokey - so now I've rambled. Welcome to our wonderful forum... public forum I may add for the poopheads who will try to bully me in a few minutes.
Well said. I agree.

“FED UP WITH TOPIX”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#101 Sep 21, 2011
Man is the most destructible, and violent species on Earth. Thankfully there are people who see that flaw in the human species and are doing things to change it. There is no rational basis for always putting humans' interests first. Without realising it, those who support animal cruelty are reproducing the worldview of old fashioned Christianity, minus its complex and subtle theology. For Christians, humans are separated from the rest of creation. They alone have free will and an immortal soul because only they are made in the image of God, other animals exist solely to serve them. This anthropocentric viewpoint has shaped much of western philosophy, finding expression in Descartes' dictum that animals are unfeeling machines, and Immanuel Kant's peculiar notion that human personality is the source of all that is truly valuable in the world.

As critics of animal rights never tire of reminding us, animals cannot respect the reciprocal obligations of justice. The core of morality is not justice, but sympathy. In being sentient and capable of suffering, humans and other animals are equals. We owe other animals our compassion because, in the respects that matter most, they are no different from ourselves.

Since: Jan 09

KEEP OUT

#102 Sep 21, 2011
LiddySays wrote:
Thankfully there are people who see that flaw in the human species and are doing things to change it.
Yes, they are implementing laws in order to effect more stringent prosecution for arson and the terrorist actions of the ARA.

“Use renewable resources”

Since: Apr 11

Wear fur and save the earth

#103 Sep 21, 2011
LiddySays wrote:
Man is the most destructible, and violent species on Earth. Thankfully there are people who see that flaw in the human species and are doing things to change it. There is no rational basis for always putting humans' interests first. Without realising it, those who support animal cruelty are reproducing the worldview of old fashioned Christianity, minus its complex and subtle theology. For Christians, humans are separated from the rest of creation. They alone have free will and an immortal soul because only they are made in the image of God, other animals exist solely to serve them. This anthropocentric viewpoint has shaped much of western philosophy, finding expression in Descartes' dictum that animals are unfeeling machines, and Immanuel Kant's peculiar notion that human personality is the source of all that is truly valuable in the world.
As critics of animal rights never tire of reminding us, animals cannot respect the reciprocal obligations of justice. The core of morality is not justice, but sympathy. In being sentient and capable of suffering, humans and other animals are equals. We owe other animals our compassion because, in the respects that matter most, they are no different from ourselves.
This is so full of fallacies and assertions without base or claim that it is impossible to know where to start. It requires assumptions that have no evidence or support behind them.

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