Cruelty-Free Food
Happivore

Los Altos, CA

#1 Apr 13, 2014
I recently launched a recipe site to share easy, delicious, and inexpensive cruelty-free food. Every recipe shows the cost, and has a step-by-step video, so even if the extent of your culinary skills is pouring a bowl of cereal, you can follow along and cook up some awesome food. Check it out and let me know what you think :) Everyday we create a better world for animals with what's on our plate.

http://www.happivore.com

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#2 Apr 13, 2014
Even if you eat vegetables, you are taking food from another critter thereby ensure death by starvation for a sentient being. "cruelty free" food does not exist.
Jack be Nimble

United States

#3 Apr 14, 2014
How are you taking food from another creature and ensuring their death by eating vegetables? Not following you. You can say that harvesting vegetables kills insects, which is certainly true (though statistically you kill fewer insects on a vegetarian and vegan diet so it is still more cruelty free regardless) but taking away food and causing starvation? This needs some elaboration.

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#4 Apr 14, 2014
It is really simple. Anytime that you consume anything, it is taking resources from another entity that also needs food to survive. "cruelty free" is a ridiculous notion as it is impossible. In fact, I would argue that death by beheading is a less cruel way to die than starvation. Perhaps the "cruelty free" lifestyle actually increases animal suffering as opposed to reducing it.
Jack be Nimble

Pleasant Hill, CA

#5 Apr 16, 2014
Can you name specific crops and population groups? What species are we talking about here? Farmland introduces incredible quantities of food that were not originally in those areas, and the suggestion that large wild animal populations are wholly dependent upon them, and die of starvation because it is harvested for human consumption, needs some serious backing to be taken seriously.

It's true that "cruelty free" is impossible, since insects still die in vegetable harvesting, as well as reptiles and small mammals, and deforestation for agricultural land displaces and kills off native animal populations. But it's inarguable that a plant-based diet results in less animals being killed, less habitat loss, less species extinctions due to deforestation, and less animal-suffering due to environmental issues such as water and soil pollution. A vegan diet simply consumes far less resources. Consuming 1 lb of grain directly is going to have 10x less impact than consuming 1 lb of beef, which requires 10 lbs of grain to produce. Simple math.

The goal is to live as compassionately as we can, and a vegan diet allows many of us to make a huge step in that direction.

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#6 Apr 17, 2014
Jack be Nimble wrote:
Can you name specific crops and population groups? What species are we talking about here? Farmland introduces incredible quantities of food that were not originally in those areas, and the suggestion that large wild animal populations are wholly dependent upon them, and die of starvation because it is harvested for human consumption, needs some serious backing to be taken seriously.
You are joking right. You have to be. Resources do not go unconsumed unless protected by an impenetrable barrier. Anytime you consume a resource, it is ensuring the death of other entities that would consume that resource. I shouldn't have to explain this. 8307

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#7 Apr 17, 2014
Jack be Nimble wrote:
It's true that "cruelty free" is impossible, since insects still die in vegetable harvesting, as well as reptiles and small mammals, and deforestation for agricultural land displaces and kills off native animal populations. But it's inarguable that a plant-based diet results in less animals being killed, less habitat loss, less species extinctions due to deforestation, and less animal-suffering due to environmental issues such as water and soil pollution. A vegan diet simply consumes far less resources. Consuming 1 lb of grain directly is going to have 10x less impact than consuming 1 lb of beef, which requires 10 lbs of grain to produce. Simple math.
I don't necessarily agree. You can't count suffering. It seems to me that beheading a cow is less cruel/painful than 1000s of other critters dying of starvation. It appears that veganism increases the frequency and intensity of animal suffering. I also disagree with your contention that animal "suffering" is bad. It seems that animal suffering is something that occurs everywhere but for some reason, vegans seem to deny its existence unless someone eats meat. Vegans appear to be very inconsistent with how and where they apply their logic.

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#8 Apr 17, 2014
Jack be Nimble wrote:
The goal is to live as compassionately as we can, and a vegan diet allows many of us to make a huge step in that direction.
That may be your goal even though it is complete unattainable. The reality of the world is that the goal is to survive and procreate. If it makes you happy to live under the illusion that you are more compassionate because you value beetles starving over cows dying, that is your choice but please don't confuse that with any kind of higher morality or anything silly like that. If you believe that makes you superior, you are deluding yourself. If your diet brings you joy, that is great. Mine brings me joy too. Everybody is happy!
Dr Peter Gozinya

Midland, TX

#9 Apr 17, 2014
Jack be Nimble wrote:
The goal is to live as compassionately as we can, and a vegan diet allows many of us to make a huge step in that direction.
This is wishful thinking and nothing more but hey, it's just peachy if it makes you feel good. That said, vegan diets are dangerously deficient in complete proteins (8 essential amino acids) and B vitamins. Animal proteins are the only reliable source of these nutrients. Humans are true omnivores and have been for 2.5 million years. Bucking that reality is a fad and not a very popular one considering meat-eaters outnumber vegans more than 300 to 1.
Jack be Nimble

Pleasant Hill, CA

#10 Apr 19, 2014
Dr Peter Gozinya wrote:
<quoted text>This is wishful thinking and nothing more but hey, it's just peachy if it makes you feel good. That said, vegan diets are dangerously deficient in complete proteins (8 essential amino acids) and B vitamins. Animal proteins are the only reliable source of these nutrients.
The "complete protein" myth was debunked decades ago, and is rejected by the modern field of nutritional science. Vegans and vegetarians do not need to "compliment" proteins, or seek out complete proteins. Also, there are indeed a number of complete proteins, such as quinoa, buckwheat, soy, and amaranth. Buckwheat actually has a higher amino acid score than many meats.

If you eat a decently balanced diet, you will get a sufficient number of all the amino acids you need. There is no nutrient lacking in a vegan diet, simple as that. B12 is really the only argument, but it exists as a supplement, and many foods today are fortified with it. A single glass of dairy-free milks, for example, have about 25% DV of B12. Also, let us not forget that B12 deficiency is an issue amongst omnivores as well.

The official stance of The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics Foundation is: "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes."
Dr Peter Gozinya

Midland, TX

#11 Apr 20, 2014
Jack be Nimble wrote:
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The "complete protein" myth was debunked decades ago, and is rejected by the modern field of nutritional science. Vegans and vegetarians do not need to "compliment" proteins, or seek out complete proteins.
This is quite simply100% false and any nutritional scientist worth his/her weight in salad knows this. Complete proteins are the building blocks of every cell in the human body. Dismissing them as "myth" is foolish and irresponsible.
Jack be Nimble wrote:
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Also, there are indeed a number of complete proteins, such as quinoa, buckwheat, soy, and amaranth. Buckwheat actually has a higher amino acid score than many meats.
Quinoa is the only plant mentioned that contains all 8 essential amino acids and I eat it myself. Sadly, the amounts of complete proteins contained are very small and not even close to a replacement for animal proteins. Soy is not a complete protein and contains estrogen that is not good for male consumption. I suppose if one were to purchase and consume copious amounts of various plant matter, one might get the necessary proteins but no one I know of has the time or inclination to devote to such a full time endeavor. But hey, graze on if you have that kind of time on your hands.
Virginia Vegetarian

Stafford, VA

#12 Apr 20, 2014
USA R0CKS wrote:
It is really simple. Anytime that you consume anything, it is taking resources from another entity that also needs food to survive. "cruelty free" is a ridiculous notion as it is impossible. In fact, I would argue that death by beheading is a less cruel way to die than starvation. Perhaps the "cruelty free" lifestyle actually increases animal suffering as opposed to reducing it.
Cruelty Free is not a ridiculous notion. The problem with you is that you have constructed a definition of cruelty that is so broad that every action is considered cruel. In this way, you seek to validate your rationalization of your actions to fall within the 'normal' range - for if éveryone does it, then it can't be abnormal'. What you fail to realize is that our society is ruled by the theory of reasonableness. In other words, would a reasonable person find an action cruel.

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#13 Apr 26, 2014
Virginia Vegetarian wrote:
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Cruelty Free is not a ridiculous notion.
Actually, it is. Every time you consume a resource, you take it away from another living being who would have consumed it. There is no gray area here. If you eat an apple, another living being (probably many) dies a slow and painful death via starvation. Your attempt to deny this reality doesn't change it. Your attempt to delude yourself into
Virginia Vegetarian wrote:
<quoted text>The problem with you is that you have constructed a definition of cruelty that is so broad that every action is considered cruel.
No I haven't. You created a definition and I applied it to all sentient beings...even ones that you do not empathize with and feel it is OK to kill at your whim.
Virginia Vegetarian wrote:
<quoted text> In this way, you seek to validate your rationalization of your actions to fall within the 'normal' range - for if éveryone does it, then it can't be abnormal'. What you fail to realize is that our society is ruled by the theory of reasonableness. In other words, would a reasonable person find an action cruel.
What are you talking about? I have no idea what you think I am validating. I point out that there is not research to support your contention that animal abuse predicts/leads to human abuse and you immediately create this idea in your head that I abuse animals. It is like you are attempting to shoot the messenger. It isn't my fault that science has not found support for the contention that animal abuse leads to human abuse. You need to get over it. It is not my fault that the research doesn't exist. It isn't my fault that in your attempt to show me research, you have failed miserably. I do think you owe me some gratitude because you learned a lot. you learned what is and isn't research. you previously thought someone saying an opinion was research. You have learned what "peer reviewed" means and a multitude of other things that you were completely clueless about. So I guess a "you're welcome" is due from my end so here it is. You're welcome. I am happy to have educated you.

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#14 Apr 26, 2014
Virginia Vegetarian wrote:
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. What you fail to realize is that our society is ruled by the theory of reasonableness. In other words, would a reasonable person find an action cruel.
According to this, eating animals is perfectly OK. Hunting is as well. Bloodsport is reasonable in some areas and should not be infringed upon. Basically you have asserted that society shouldn't change and people should stop advocating for change because what is "right" and "wrong" has already been established. Problem is that you think society should think like you. You have a God complex (and a "God complex" has nothing to do with whether or not you have a belief in God).
Virginia Vegetarian

Stafford, VA

#15 May 4, 2014
I see you are still trying to rationalize your behavior. You are an abusive person and are trying to construct a reality that comports with your deranged assessment of what is normal. You have convinced yourself, by constructing your own definitions of cruelty, that no one is cruel to animals, because animal cruelty doesn't exits.

Over 80 % of the states in this country have passed felony animal cruelty statutes. Why do you think that is?

There's an old legal aphorism that goes, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."

Your attempts at obfuscation are fooling no one, so you really should quit while you're behind.

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#16 May 5, 2014
Virginia Vegetarian wrote:
I see you are still trying to rationalize your behavior. You are an abusive person and are trying to construct a reality that comports with your deranged assessment of what is normal. You have convinced yourself, by constructing your own definitions of cruelty, that no one is cruel to animals, because animal cruelty doesn't exits.
Over 80 % of the states in this country have passed felony animal cruelty statutes. Why do you think that is?
There's an old legal aphorism that goes, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."
Your attempts at obfuscation are fooling no one, so you really should quit while you're behind.
Like it or not, cruelty is a human creation. It doesn't really exist and according to the human definition of cruelty (as you defined it anyway) everybody is cruel...including yourself. Somehow you have rationalized your cruelty as being legitimate because it prevents you from being late. You keep saying I am the one rationalizing when it is in fact you who has created a world where your cruelty and torture (as you defined it) is justified. If you were less myopic, you would be able to see how illogical your stance is.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#17 May 6, 2014
USA R0CKS wrote:
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Like it or not, cruelty is a human creation. It doesn't really exist and according to the human definition of cruelty (as you defined it anyway) everybody is cruel...including yourself. Somehow you have rationalized your cruelty as being legitimate because it prevents you from being late. You keep saying I am the one rationalizing when it is in fact you who has created a world where your cruelty and torture (as you defined it) is justified. If you were less myopic, you would be able to see how illogical your stance is.
You have no serious point to make. You are a troll. I'm guessing you have never been with a woman in your life. I can't imagine any woman in their right mind putting up with a punk bittch like you.

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