25 arrested in Albuquerque illegal we...

25 arrested in Albuquerque illegal weapons sting (3:38 p.m.)

There are 49 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Jun 16, 2010, titled 25 arrested in Albuquerque illegal weapons sting (3:38 p.m.). In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms used an undercover storefront during a 10-month sting operation that resulted in the arrests Wednesday of 25 people for illegal firearms sales.

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Javier

Albuquerque, NM

#1 Jun 16, 2010
There is no such thing as an illegal weapon. According to the US Constitution, we are allowed to own any weapon ever built. Also, there is no such thing as ATF. WTF is that supposed to mean?
Novelo

Los Alamos, NM

#2 Jun 16, 2010
It's U.S. Marshals Service, not U.S. Marshal's Office.

Since: Dec 08

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#3 Jun 16, 2010
Are those guns that have been discovered to be stolen going to be returned to the rightful owners?

Since they know there stolen they should contact the rightful owner and return them.

But we all know they will claim to destroy them and take them home for their own.
your mom

United States

#4 Jun 16, 2010
Never heard of "jokers traders" probably a bunch of homie vatos. It's probably some gang thing but the media makes it about the guns. I wonder how much drugs were confinscated.

Since: Dec 08

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#5 Jun 16, 2010
your mom wrote:
Never heard of "jokers traders" probably a bunch of homie vatos. It's probably some gang thing but the media makes it about the guns. I wonder how much drugs were confinscated.
No doubt about that, media news is mostly Democratic and anti-gun as well as anti everything else.

Not one mention about cars, stereo's or anything else, just guns.

As if nothing else is stolen in ABQ.
dramatech01

Sterling Heights, MI

#6 Jun 16, 2010
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
Are those guns that have been discovered to be stolen going to be returned to the rightful owners?
Since they know there stolen they should contact the rightful owner and return them.
But we all know they will claim to destroy them and take them home for their own.
If you allow your weapons to be stolen in the first place, then you have demostrated an inability to secure them. Therefore, you have forefitted your right to them. If you want more, demonstrate the responsible actions you have taken to prevent weapons from falling into unauthorized hands (criminals or children) before you are allowed to replace the stolen ones.
Yes, I'm holding the victim responsible, their malfeasance allowed weapons to fall into the hands of criminals. End of story.

Since: Dec 08

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#7 Jun 16, 2010
dramatech01 wrote:
<quoted text>If you allow your weapons to be stolen in the first place, then you have demostrated an inability to secure them. Therefore, you have forefitted your right to them. If you want more, demonstrate the responsible actions you have taken to prevent weapons from falling into unauthorized hands (criminals or children) before you are allowed to replace the stolen ones.
Yes, I'm holding the victim responsible, their malfeasance allowed weapons to fall into the hands of criminals. End of story.
Are you stupid or just not able to understand what you read, where did I say MY WEAPONS?

Read and understand what is said before replying ok.

By the way if it is secure you would not be able to use it to defend yourself against someone breaking into your home or attacking you.

As far as how mine are secure, well within what I call reasonable and safe, enough said.
kinkajou

Los Lunas, NM

#8 Jun 16, 2010
Javier wrote:
There is no such thing as an illegal weapon. According to the US Constitution, we are allowed to own any weapon ever built. Also, there is no such thing as ATF. WTF is that supposed to mean?
FYI - An illegal weapon could be a sawed-off shotgun or a semi-auto firearm that has been modified to fire full auto. As for ATF, well it could stand for automatic transmission fluid or Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. And now, you know the rest of the story!
johnnywalker

Adelanto, CA

#9 Jun 16, 2010
own powder guns. you dont have to register them. also cannons. use these wepons on illegal garbage comming from the border. they work and it realy is alot of fun.
dramatech01

Sterling Heights, MI

#10 Jun 17, 2010
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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Are you stupid or just not able to understand what you read, where did I say MY WEAPONS?
Read and understand what is said before replying ok.
By the way if it is secure you would not be able to use it to defend yourself against someone breaking into your home or attacking you.
As far as how mine are secure, well within what I call reasonable and safe, enough said.
Duh, Stoopid, learn to understand that the editorial 'you' is not a reference to a single person. Duh. Try learning the rules of grammar before taking offense every time I respond to your postings. If "yours" are secure, great. So are mine,in a gun safe with trigger locks with ammo securely stored in a separate location. I deal with intruders in a less humane way. The fallacy about needing to keep a gun at hand for protection is pretty much asking for them to be stolen.
Back to my original point, if they are stolen then the gun owner is, in part, responsible for any crime committed with that weapon. They should not get that weapon back without some penalty. That penalty should include: gun safety classes and a demonstration of a secure and reasonable means of securing the previously stolen weapons.
Now, I'm sorry if I offended you, it was not my intention.
dramatech01

Sterling Heights, MI

#11 Jun 17, 2010
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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No doubt about that, media news is mostly Democratic and anti-gun as well as anti everything else.
Not one mention about cars, stereo's or anything else, just guns.
As if nothing else is stolen in ABQ.
BS, media is corporate owned with a vested interest in keeping the advertisers happy. Look what happened to Glenn Becks sponsors when he started going over the edge. No, most media outlets are very conservative to keep the ad dollars rolling in. Another sweeping generalization on your part.
About the steroes and cars, the ATF leaves that to the locals. How many of these stolen weapons are going to drug lords in Mexico. How many are being resold to "sportsmen" who don't feel like they have to comply with any stinking waiting list? Machine guns? Like an 8 track is a weapon of mass destruction.
Peralta

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#12 Jun 17, 2010
dramatech01 wrote:
<quoted text>If you allow your weapons to be stolen in the first place, then you have demostrated an inability to secure them. Therefore, you have forefitted your right to them. If you want more, demonstrate the responsible actions you have taken to prevent weapons from falling into unauthorized hands (criminals or children) before you are allowed to replace the stolen ones.
Yes, I'm holding the victim responsible, their malfeasance allowed weapons to fall into the hands of criminals. End of story.
Where do you get off? If I leave my gun sitting in plain site on my property & some jerk trespasses to steal it, the jerk is the one in the wrong. Property owners should NOT have to live in houses with bars on the windows, valuables locked in safes just to keep the scum of society from stealing our stuff. You are obviously a Rosie O'Donel fan...she thinks the same way you do. Until it comes to her own fat neck she wants protected.
And stop going around filling all of the little judgement icons. If you can't accept that now everyone thinks the same way that you do, then you are obviously not mature enough to even comment anonymously; your skin is too thin.

Since: Dec 08

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#13 Jun 17, 2010
dramatech01 wrote:
<quoted text>BS, media is corporate owned with a vested interest in keeping the advertisers happy. Look what happened to Glenn Becks sponsors when he started going over the edge. No, most media outlets are very conservative to keep the ad dollars rolling in. Another sweeping generalization on your part.
About the steroes and cars, the ATF leaves that to the locals. How many of these stolen weapons are going to drug lords in Mexico. How many are being resold to "sportsmen" who don't feel like they have to comply with any stinking waiting list? Machine guns? Like an 8 track is a weapon of mass destruction.
First on the other post apology accepted.

This post, yes media is not just corporate owned but also they cater to mostly which ever party is in the White House with few exceptions.

You comment about weapons going to drug lords in Mexico shows you believe what you read, the anti-gun groups want people to believe that stuff, with the money they have they don't need to be some low life scum to steal a few guns for them.

As for the machine gun, haven't seen or heard of others owning them in years, YEARS so I wonder just what gun it really is.

Oh and what good is a trigger lock with ammo stored in another room when the low life scum is coming into your bedroom at 3 AM while your sound asleep and suddenly you wake to his going through you things or maybe raping the wife or daughter in her room?

You going to say you will physically fight him instead of pulling a loaded gun and warning him to stop or you will shoot him?

I would warn, if he does not stop I would shoot to kill, not injure.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Jun 17, 2010
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
Are those guns that have been discovered to be stolen going to be returned to the rightful owners?
Since they know there stolen they should contact the rightful owner and return them.
But we all know they will claim to destroy them and take them home for their own.
Hell yes they are going to be returned to the owners. Standard Operating Procedure.

"But we all know they will claim to destroy them and take them home for their own" Did you make that statement out of ignorance, stupidity, or just as a malicious LIAR?

Since: Dec 08

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#15 Jun 17, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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Hell yes they are going to be returned to the owners. Standard Operating Procedure.
"But we all know they will claim to destroy them and take them home for their own" Did you make that statement out of ignorance, stupidity, or just as a malicious LIAR?
Let's see here mr donkey, first they will ask for proof by the owner, now suppose he bought it at a gun show of from a private party, WHAT PROOF is there, no paperwork to back up who owns it.

So the owner has no way to show he/she really owns it, right? YES.

Now suppose that gun was sold/traded a few times and used in a crime, guess what, the current owner who knows nothing about the past history of that gun is now charged with:

Having a stolen gun.
Having a gun used in a crime and very possibly charged with the crime.
Charged with buying or trading a gun without going through proper legal channels, meaning paying a gun store $35 up just to do a piece of paperwork to make it legal.

And who knows what else he or she can be charged with.

Do you even have any idea how many buy and trade guns from private people?

I would guess that for every legally bought gun there are two none registered ones.

And that does not even count all the ammo making equipment nor how many shells and other things they own.

HELL NO all those guns will not go back to the owners.

And it is a known fact that some police in some departments do take confiscated guns and things out and not report it.

Not saying APD but SOME, I would not be surprised if it happens here too.

So sorry mr hate everyone but yourself your WRONG.
WorkingStiff

Carlsbad, CA

#16 Jun 17, 2010
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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Let's see here mr donkey, first they will ask for proof by the owner, now suppose he bought it at a gun show of from a private party, WHAT PROOF is there, no paperwork to back up who owns it.
So the owner has no way to show he/she really owns it, right? YES.
Now suppose that gun was sold/traded a few times and used in a crime, guess what, the current owner who knows nothing about the past history of that gun is now charged with:
Having a stolen gun.
Having a gun used in a crime and very possibly charged with the crime.
Charged with buying or trading a gun without going through proper legal channels, meaning paying a gun store $35 up just to do a piece of paperwork to make it legal.
And who knows what else he or she can be charged with.
Do you even have any idea how many buy and trade guns from private people?
I would guess that for every legally bought gun there are two none registered ones.
And that does not even count all the ammo making equipment nor how many shells and other things they own.
HELL NO all those guns will not go back to the owners.
And it is a known fact that some police in some departments do take confiscated guns and things out and not report it.
Not saying APD but SOME, I would not be surprised if it happens here too.
So sorry mr hate everyone but yourself your WRONG.
If some lowlife scum does break into your home and steal your firearms, you must report them stolen and advise serial numbers, make of firearm. Whether you bought a firearm at a gunstore or from an individual, it is your responsibility to document the serials - or if stolen, you will most likely never ever get them back.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#17 Jun 17, 2010
WorkingStiff wrote:
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If some lowlife scum does break into your home and steal your firearms, you must report them stolen and advise serial numbers, make of firearm. Whether you bought a firearm at a gunstore or from an individual, it is your responsibility to document the serials - or if stolen, you will most likely never ever get them back.
You mean if the low life is not carried out on a stretcher?

But your correct we must report and provide all that information.

I have all original papers put safely away.
WorkingStiff

Carlsbad, CA

#18 Jun 17, 2010
FYI, if the seller is a dealer, then you must fill out a form 4473 and do a NCIS clearance. There is no rule for registering if purchased from a non-dealer. Hence, reason to document all S/Ns and report as stolen asap if the case.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#19 Jun 17, 2010
WorkingStiff wrote:
FYI, if the seller is a dealer, then you must fill out a form 4473 and do a NCIS clearance. There is no rule for registering if purchased from a non-dealer. Hence, reason to document all S/Ns and report as stolen asap if the case.
Interesting, remember now I am from CA where all transactions must go through a gun dealer.

Supposedly. LOL

So if I were to buy a bazooka how would I document it?
WorkingStiff

Carlsbad, CA

#20 Jun 17, 2010
Just a thought. I have never purchased a firearm outside of a gun dealer. If you find a rifle / gun that you want to buy from an individual, can it be possible to call in the s/n to APD so that they can check to see if it is legal?

Of course, if the individual you are buying it from is not happy about it, then that would be a sure clue to keep walking.

Or worse,(thinking out loud) you ask the seller that you want to call in the s/n and he says, "Ah, dont worry, its been filed off!" lols

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