Coyote Killing Contest Sparks Outrage in New Mexico

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A gun store-sponsored competition in which hunters shoot and kill as many coyotes as they can has sparked outrage among activists in New Mexico who have called it a "heinous killing contest." Animal Protection of New Mexico posted a petition on its website, rallying against the contest, which is sponsored by Gunhawk Firearms of Los Lunas. Full Story

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1279 Jan 8, 2013
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Feral pigs in Michigan are the result of escapees from canned-hunt ranches. Canned hunts....that's about your speed, "sportsman".
I don’t do canned hunts. Went on my first canned hunt last year, never again.

So many assumptions.

I would guess not all of Michigan’s feral pigs came from canned hunts. In fact, I would guess most are not the result of canned hunts. If a pig escapes from a farm it turns feral very quickly. The pig is highly intelligent and is adaptable to most environments. They’re very adept at reproducing. The pig isn’t native to the US and has no natural predators. That combination allows their numbers to explode.

More asinine assumption on your part. Some did likely come from canned hunts and some came from farms. Michigan has a fairly small problem with feral pigs. Southern states have a much larger problem. Are you planning to blame canned hunts for that as well?

I’ll make a suggestion. Do a bit of reading. Learn a bit about a subject prior to blather on with your bullshit.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1280 Jan 8, 2013
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Nah.....a whole lifetime of experience dealing with limp-wristed twits like you that feel tough when you have a pistol in your pocket.
You sure do have a fetish with limp wrists.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1281 Jan 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
You ever seen a feral pig in MI? I haven't. And I'm outside ALOT.
I'm starting to wonder if this stuff isn't made up by the government to get even more control over us and every aspect of our lives. What better way than to take control over what we eat...by putting the little farmer out of business and having the sheeple (us) limited to factory-farmed (confined, tortured and drug-injected) animals raised and processed by huge corporations that they control. I'll bet you didn't know about this:
http://www.foodrenegade.com/michigan-orders-s...
However you feel about hunting, I'll take wild game anyday. They are free from anti-biotics, hormones ans steroids. And wild animals live free and do not suffer like those on factory farms. Hunting is a totally natural way to get our food.
Michigan has a fairly small population of feral swine, estimated between 1 and 3 thousand by the state. http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-1037...

Some Southern states have an enormous wild swine problem, as does California. http://www.wildpigconference.com/proceedings0...

California, Florida and Texas have the biggest problem. Some farmers in Florida are very welcoming to hunters. The damage done by wild swine is great.
Guess Who

Horseshoe Bend, AR

#1282 Jan 8, 2013
Wild dogs kill 4 in Mexico: MEXICO CITY – Wild dogs mauled and killed four people whose bodies were found over the past two weeks in a park on the edge of Mexico City, authorities said Monday. In one case, a teenage girl frantically called her sister with her cell phone to plead for help as the attack took place. Neighbors of the Cerro de la Estrella, a partly wooded, hilltop park surrounded by the city’s poor and populous Iztapalapa district, first found the bodies of a 26-year-old woman and a 1-year-old child in the area on Dec. 29, authorities in Mexico’s capital said. The woman, Shunashi Mendoza, was missing her left arm, and prosecutors said that both she and the boy had bled to death and been partially eaten. Then on Friday visitors to the same park found the bodies of a teenage couple who had also bled to death.“Experts have established that due to the gravity of the wounds, at least 10 dogs were involved in each attack,” Mexico City prosecutors said in a statement. In the second attack, Alejandra Ruiz, 15, and her boyfriend Samuel Martinez, 16, had gone to the park Friday afternoon. The girl called her sister Diana Ruiz at around 7 p.m. pleading for help.“Several dogs are attacking us, help me!” the girl screamed. The call then stopped. Ruiz told Milenio Television she thought her sister was joking and still doesn’t believe her sister was killed by dogs despite the call.“What kind of dog can tear the skin from your whole arm and leave just bone and if it was an attack dog why didn’t it attack her neck?” Ruiz asked.–Yahoo News
Turns

Santa Fe, NM

#1283 Jan 8, 2013
Guess Who wrote:
Wild dogs kill 4 in Mexico:
you on?
IMNEVERWRONG

Oklahoma City, OK

#1284 Jan 8, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
You’re correct, seldom does mean I drink. Last year I had two beers. Is that excessive? You’re left grasping at straws.
How do you feel about feral pigs?
You should change your name on here. You’re usually wrong.
You're the person who needs to determine if two beers are excessive enough to challenge your mental capacity. As far as feral pigs, create a new topic and post any comments you feel are worthy. This topic posting is about coyotes as I have pointed out numerous times.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#1285 Jan 9, 2013
Guess Who wrote:
Wild dogs kill 4 in Mexico: MEXICO CITY – Wild dogs mauled and killed four people whose bodies were found over the past two weeks in a park on the edge of Mexico City, authorities said Monday. In one case, a teenage girl frantically called her sister with her cell phone to plead for help as the attack took place. Neighbors of the Cerro de la Estrella, a partly wooded, hilltop park surrounded by the city’s poor and populous Iztapalapa district, first found the bodies of a 26-year-old woman and a 1-year-old child in the area on Dec. 29, authorities in Mexico’s capital said. The woman, Shunashi Mendoza, was missing her left arm, and prosecutors said that both she and the boy had bled to death and been partially eaten. Then on Friday visitors to the same park found the bodies of a teenage couple who had also bled to death.“Experts have established that due to the gravity of the wounds, at least 10 dogs were involved in each attack,” Mexico City prosecutors said in a statement. In the second attack, Alejandra Ruiz, 15, and her boyfriend Samuel Martinez, 16, had gone to the park Friday afternoon. The girl called her sister Diana Ruiz at around 7 p.m. pleading for help.“Several dogs are attacking us, help me!” the girl screamed. The call then stopped. Ruiz told Milenio Television she thought her sister was joking and still doesn’t believe her sister was killed by dogs despite the call.“What kind of dog can tear the skin from your whole arm and leave just bone and if it was an attack dog why didn’t it attack her neck?” Ruiz asked.–Yahoo News
Mexico? C'mon......Who cares.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1286 Jan 9, 2013
IMNEVERWRONG wrote:
<quoted text> You're the person who needs to determine if two beers are excessive enough to challenge your mental capacity. As far as feral pigs, create a new topic and post any comments you feel are worthy. This topic posting is about coyotes as I have pointed out numerous times.
You’re still grasping at straws.

Who cares what you’ve pointed out? These debates wander much like a normal conversation. Don’t like it? Don’t read the thread. Easy.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1287 Jan 9, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
I don’t do canned hunts. Went on my first canned hunt last year, never again.
So many assumptions.
I would guess not all of Michigan’s feral pigs came from canned hunts. In fact, I would guess most are not the result of canned hunts. If a pig escapes from a farm it turns feral very quickly. The pig is highly intelligent and is adaptable to most environments. They’re very adept at reproducing. The pig isn’t native to the US and has no natural predators. That combination allows their numbers to explode.
More asinine assumption on your part. Some did likely come from canned hunts and some came from farms. Michigan has a fairly small problem with feral pigs. Southern states have a much larger problem. Are you planning to blame canned hunts for that as well?
I’ll make a suggestion. Do a bit of reading. Learn a bit about a subject prior to blather on with your bullshit.
"I don’t do canned hunts. Went on my first canned hunt last year,"
Flip Flop. You would make a great politician.:)

"Michigan has a fairly small problem with feral pigs."
Then why the extreme measures against small farmers? I wonder, are the politicians worried about the environment all of the sudden? I doubt it. They don't do a damn thing about all the non-native feral cats destroying our native wildlife. They even pass laws against controlling them. Then there's the alien plant species sold in nurseries all over the state....

Only pigs need to be controlled. Interesting.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1288 Jan 9, 2013
Guess Who wrote:
Wild dogs kill 4 in Mexico: MEXICO CITY – Wild dogs mauled and killed four people whose bodies were found over the past two weeks in a park on the edge of Mexico City, authorities said Monday. In one case, a teenage girl frantically called her sister with her cell phone to plead for help as the attack took place. Neighbors of the Cerro de la Estrella, a partly wooded, hilltop park surrounded by the city’s poor and populous Iztapalapa district, first found the bodies of a 26-year-old woman and a 1-year-old child in the area on Dec. 29, authorities in Mexico’s capital said. The woman, Shunashi Mendoza, was missing her left arm, and prosecutors said that both she and the boy had bled to death and been partially eaten. Then on Friday visitors to the same park found the bodies of a teenage couple who had also bled to death.“Experts have established that due to the gravity of the wounds, at least 10 dogs were involved in each attack,” Mexico City prosecutors said in a statement. In the second attack, Alejandra Ruiz, 15, and her boyfriend Samuel Martinez, 16, had gone to the park Friday afternoon. The girl called her sister Diana Ruiz at around 7 p.m. pleading for help.“Several dogs are attacking us, help me!” the girl screamed. The call then stopped. Ruiz told Milenio Television she thought her sister was joking and still doesn’t believe her sister was killed by dogs despite the call.“What kind of dog can tear the skin from your whole arm and leave just bone and if it was an attack dog why didn’t it attack her neck?” Ruiz asked.–Yahoo News
Maybe it wasn't dogs at all that attacked those people. Maybe it was coyotes forcing Alejandra to call her sister and say it was dogs.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1289 Jan 9, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
"I don’t do canned hunts. Went on my first canned hunt last year,"
Flip Flop. You would make a great politician.:)
"Michigan has a fairly small problem with feral pigs."
Then why the extreme measures against small farmers? I wonder, are the politicians worried about the environment all of the sudden? I doubt it. They don't do a damn thing about all the non-native feral cats destroying our native wildlife. They even pass laws against controlling them. Then there's the alien plant species sold in nurseries all over the state....
Only pigs need to be controlled. Interesting.
No flip flop. I don’t do canned hunts. I’ve been on one, didn’t like it and will never go again. Is that so difficult for you to understand?

It is a fairly small problem. Your own state government estimates the population to be between one and three thousand. Wasn’t it you that said you’ve never seen one there?

I never stated only pigs need to be controlled. You added that.
breezy

Gainesville, FL

#1290 Jan 9, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
It IS a big deal to the one being killed!!!
coyotes are evasive and they attack live stock i have them in florida where i live and they were not here ten years ago
they all deserve to die

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1291 Jan 9, 2013
breezy wrote:
<quoted text>
coyotes are evasive and they attack live stock i have them in florida where i live and they were not here ten years ago
they all deserve to die
"they attack live stock.... they all deserve to die"
It's a good bet YOU kill and/or eat livestock too. Do you deserve to die for it? I don't think so.

"in florida where i live and they were not here ten years ago"
Oh, I see. Things with legs and wings are all supposed to stay in one spot for all eternity. As landscapes change and populations fluctuate, nothing should ever look for new territory. Thanks for the "Environmental Science" lesson.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1292 Jan 9, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
No flip flop. I don’t do canned hunts. I’ve been on one, didn’t like it and will never go again. Is that so difficult for you to understand?
It is a fairly small problem. Your own state government estimates the population to be between one and three thousand. Wasn’t it you that said you’ve never seen one there?
I never stated only pigs need to be controlled. You added that.
"Is that so difficult for you to understand?"
Is a smiley face difficult for YOU to understand? Can't take a little ribbing? Geeez.

As for the pigs, I was kinda looking for an opinion on why it may be the case that the MI legislature is only concerned with non-native pigs (mostly confined) on small farms, rather than the hundreds of other alien speicies taking over natural areas.

Am I the only one with a suspicion that it has nothing to do with "saving the environment?"

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1294 Jan 9, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
"Is that so difficult for you to understand?"
Is a smiley face difficult for YOU to understand? Can't take a little ribbing? Geeez.
As for the pigs, I was kinda looking for an opinion on why it may be the case that the MI legislature is only concerned with non-native pigs (mostly confined) on small farms, rather than the hundreds of other alien speicies taking over natural areas.
Am I the only one with a suspicion that it has nothing to do with "saving the environment?"
Say what you mean. You obviously knew what the smiley face was intended to mean. Your placement of it offered another conclusion. Be clear.

If you want to understand the feral swine issue in Michigan and why your legislature takes the stance it does. It may pay to look at the states with severe problems with feral swine. They’re highly destructive. They’re also dangerous to human population. Not as dangerous as coyotes, but still very dangerous. Having no natural predators they’re also a rapidly growing problem. They’re not a natural part of the North American ecosystem.

Don’t believe me? Make one feel even slightly threatened. Sometimes if you shoot and miss they’ll attack. Sometimes they’ll attack if you don’t inflict a critical wound. Most hunting I use breech load weapons, just one or two shots depending on number of barrels. Not with swine, I use a lever action 45-70 and I do carry a side arm.
Guess Who

Mountain Home, AR

#1295 Jan 9, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Say what you mean. You obviously knew what the smiley face was intended to mean. Your placement of it offered another conclusion. Be clear.
If you want to understand the feral swine issue in Michigan and why your legislature takes the stance it does. It may pay to look at the states with severe problems with feral swine. They’re highly destructive. They’re also dangerous to human population. Not as dangerous as coyotes, but still very dangerous. Having no natural predators they’re also a rapidly growing problem. They’re not a natural part of the North American ecosystem.
Don’t believe me? Make one feel even slightly threatened. Sometimes if you shoot and miss they’ll attack. Sometimes they’ll attack if you don’t inflict a critical wound. Most hunting I use breech load weapons, just one or two shots depending on number of barrels. Not with swine, I use a lever action 45-70 and I do carry a side arm.
I kill pigs with a 22 one shot right behind the ear and their finished. if one charges you wait until its right upon you step to one side and shoot it behind the ear as it passes. There are numerous feral hogs in south arkansas.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#1296 Jan 9, 2013
Guess Who wrote:
<quoted text> I kill pigs with a 22 one shot right behind the ear and their finished. if one charges you wait until its right upon you step to one side and shoot it behind the ear as it passes. There are numerous feral hogs in south Arkansas.
I wasn't aware that there was anything ELSE in South Arkansas.....

;)
IMNEVERWRONG

Oklahoma City, OK

#1297 Jan 9, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Say what you mean. You obviously knew what the smiley face was intended to mean. Your placement of it offered another conclusion. Be clear.
If you want to understand the feral swine issue in Michigan and why your legislature takes the stance it does. It may pay to look at the states with severe problems with feral swine. They’re highly destructive. They’re also dangerous to human population. Not as dangerous as coyotes, but still very dangerous.
Coyotes dangerous to humans? You're a silly ole fool. These precious wild animals RARELY attack adults or children. Play the lottery and you will have more luck.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1298 Jan 10, 2013
IMNEVERWRONG wrote:
<quoted text> Coyotes dangerous to humans? You're a silly ole fool. These precious wild animals RARELY attack adults or children. Play the lottery and you will have more luck.
Really?

http://rockyhill.patch.com/articles/police-wa...

There are many documents accounts of coyote attacks.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1299 Jan 10, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
http://rockyhill.patch.com/articles/police-wa...
There are many documents accounts of coyote attacks.
Feral hogs are FAR more dangerous than coyotes. I'm sure you can find more cases of coyote attacks only because there are many more coyotes than there are pigs living among human populations. Coyotes usually attack for food only. Hogs will attack unpredictably for no reason.

In Texas, I have come across both coyotes and hogs in the wild. The coyotes got the hell out of Dodge the instant they seen me. The hogs just stared. If given a choice, I would much rather come across a coyote.

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