Ruling against Christian photographer appealed

[Wally]

Oyegi Thamu wrote:

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LMAO! That was a good one Wally... "not really a Christian thing to sue"... as if discriminating against someone because they didn't like their sexual orientation is a Christian thing to do.
My sides hurt.:-D

BTW, I knew you would just pick up on that one phrase and ignore the most important part of the post, which you are afraid to address.

[just thinking]

You know, I went through both Dex and the Yellow book, and could not even find listings for Elaine Photography. Wonder how these folks got that name, and why. There were many other wonderful adds re: ceremonial type pictures, etc.. but nothing about the one getting sued. sort of makes ya wonder what the deal is here, Or did I get the name of the place wrong?

[evil todd]

Wasn't this photographer AT the court house?

There are MANY photographers that do not advertise.

[just thinking]

evil todd wrote:

Wasn't this photographer AT the court house?
There are MANY photographers that do not advertise.

you are probably right, I was just curious as to how they advertised, if they did, and couldn't even find them

[Wally]

just thinking wrote:

You know, I went through both Dex and the Yellow book, and could not even find listings for Elaine Photography. Wonder how these folks got that name, and why. There were many other wonderful adds re: ceremonial type pictures, etc.. but nothing about the one getting sued. sort of makes ya wonder what the deal is here, Or did I get the name of the place wrong?

The gay activists heard there were Christian photographers, found them, and went after them.

[a-parent]

All y'all are completely ignorant if you think gays can't be christians. Besides, if I wanted my photos shot by a particular photog, I'd be really upset if they did not want to do it 'cuz I was gay and not 'cuz I could not pay or their schedule prohibited it. It sounds like a sound case 'cuz if they did not want to be seen as 'against' gays, they could have used any old excuse. They did not. I'm just sayin'

[Wally]

a-parent wrote:

All y'all are completely ignorant if you think gays can't be christians. Besides, if I wanted my photos shot by a particular photog, I'd be really upset if they did not want to do it 'cuz I was gay and not 'cuz I could not pay or their schedule prohibited it. It sounds like a sound case 'cuz if they did not want to be seen as 'against' gays, they could have used any old excuse. They did not. I'm just sayin'

It doesn't make sense because they were set up!

[Oyegi Thamu]

Wally wrote:

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BTW, I knew you would just pick up on that one phrase and ignore the most important part of the post, which you are afraid to address.

So tell us how you KNOW that they are haters and targeted a Christian. Were you "in on the plot"? Cuz it sounds more like you're grasping at straws.

[evil todd]

Oyegi Thamu wrote:

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So tell us how you KNOW that they are haters and targeted a Christian. Were you "in on the plot"? Cuz it sounds more like you're grasping at straws.

Same way people "know" that all abortion clinic bombers are Christian.:wink:

[Oyegi Thamu]

just thinking wrote:

You know, I went through both Dex and the Yellow book, and could not even find listings for Elaine Photography. Wonder how these folks got that name, and why. There were many other wonderful adds re: ceremonial type pictures, etc.. but nothing about the one getting sued. sort of makes ya wonder what the deal is here, Or did I get the name of the place wrong?

You had the name wrong. Here is the web address: http://www.elanephotography.com/

[Oyegi Thamu]

evil todd wrote:

<quoted text>Same way people "know" that all abortion clinic bombers are Christian.:wink:

The same way people like... photography... wink wink, nudge nudge.

[just thinking]

Oyegi Thamu wrote:

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You had the name wrong. Here is the web address: http://www.elanephotography.com/

Thanks, having the wrong name will alter your ability to find the site, hahaha...... I appreciate it

[Caterina]

dave wrote:

actually it is a perfect example of the hatred and intolerance that the christian church stands for...using the same bogus explanations that were used to defend slavery..its in the bible it must be ok<quoted text>

Hatred and intolerance? Really? So a Christian photographer should be up for hire, no matter what the occassion? Drunken debauchery at the NAMBLA Convention, gay weddings, how's about a sacrificial ceremony at the church of satan?

The photographer was not condemning the couple, merely stating she didn't want to accept the job and was honest about why.

Why is it OK for Christians to have to tolerate all other's behavior, yet those screaming 'intolerance' don't offer the same?

Aside from the religious aspect, a private business owner should not be mandated to serve any and all by any public institution. That alone is a disturbing loss of First Amendment rights.

[Caterina]

Ana wrote:

I'm sorry but true Christians don't judge -- God loves everyone - if you're in business you have to abide by the law which says you can't discriminate. Gods law, which is even higher, says "Love thy Neighbor as thyself."

While I can love the person, I do not have to participate in the behavior that my faith says is wrong. Accepting money for taking pictures of a gay wedding celebration would not be in line with a Christian's beliefs. It's akin to a pastor owning a bar. Can't you people understand this?

[a-parent]

Caterina wrote:

<quoted text> While I can love the person, I do not have to participate in the behavior that my faith says is wrong. Accepting money for taking pictures of a gay wedding celebration would not be in line with a Christian's beliefs. It's akin to a pastor owning a bar. Can't you people understand this?

Dood! That is sooo apples and oranges. A christian taking pictures of a gay wedding would be like a pastor taking pictures of a gay wedding.
Come to your senses and get off the "you people" way of thinking 'cuz, well, we're all "you people" aren't we? What happened to live and let live or turn the other cheek or all the other drivel the bible espews? If you want to pick and choose, fine. If you want to admit it's a "good story" based on truth, fine, too. If you want to live on a planet with a bunch of others who have free speech and independent thought, way cool.
The photog had tons of other choices for reasons not to shoot this particular wedding and as a service industry to the public, they should have chosen more wisely than to offend a portion of that public. If she had said she was too busy, regardless of the real reason, we'd not have any story nor would anyone's life be upside-down now. I'm just sayin'

[evil todd]

Caterina wrote:

<quoted text> While I can love the person, I do not have to participate in the behavior that my faith says is wrong. Accepting money for taking pictures of a gay wedding celebration would not be in line with a Christian's beliefs. It's akin to a pastor owning a bar. Can't you people understand this?

Seriously? I'm a Christian and I would take their pics. That would give me a chance to witness to them. Who knows, maybe in taking a pic of them, you can open the door to a relationship where you will be asked about your faith and can share it with them.

Yes, Christianity says homosexuality is wrong. But NOT sharing the gospel is even more wrong. And I don't mean sharing the part about that lifestyle, I mean sharing God's love and desire that everyone would come to know Him.

[Oyegi Thamu]

Caterina wrote:

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Hatred and intolerance? Really? So a Christian photographer should be up for hire, no matter what the occassion? Drunken debauchery at the NAMBLA Convention, gay weddings, how's about a sacrificial ceremony at the church of satan?
The photographer was not condemning the couple, merely stating she didn't want to accept the job and was honest about why.
Why is it OK for Christians to have to tolerate all other's behavior, yet those screaming 'intolerance' don't offer the same?
Aside from the religious aspect, a private business owner should not be mandated to serve any and all by any public institution. That alone is a disturbing loss of First Amendment rights.

Ummmm.... isn't that what Jesus Christ preached... peace, love & tolerance? Isn't that what being a Christian is supposed to be about?

As long as the business it open to the public, and the event isn't in some way illegal, then a business owner can not discriminate against someone based upon the customers race, color, national origin, religion, ancestry, sex, age (if 40 or over), physical and mental handicap, serious medical condition, disability, spousal affiliation, sexual orientation and gender identity.

Under New Mexico law,(28-1-7 F):
It is an unlawful discriminatory practice for any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction, directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services, facilities, accommodations or goods to any person because of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap, provided that the physical or mental handicap is unrelated to a person's ability to acquire or rent and maintain particular real property or housing accommodation.

Public Accommodation is defined as a business, refreshment, entertainment, recreation or transportation facility of nay kind, whether licensed or not, whose goods, services, privileges or accommodations are extended, offered, sold or otherwise made available to the public.

[evil todd]

a-parent wrote:

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Dood! That is sooo apples and oranges. A christian taking pictures of a gay wedding would be like a pastor taking pictures of a gay wedding.
Come to your senses and get off the "you people" way of thinking 'cuz, well, we're all "you people" aren't we? What happened to live and let live or turn the other cheek or all the other drivel the bible espews? If you want to pick and choose, fine. If you want to admit it's a "good story" based on truth, fine, too. If you want to live on a planet with a bunch of others who have free speech and independent thought, way cool.
The photog had tons of other choices for reasons not to shoot this particular wedding and as a service industry to the public, they should have chosen more wisely than to offend a portion of that public. If she had said she was too busy, regardless of the real reason, we'd not have any story nor would anyone's life be upside-down now. I'm just sayin'

LOL, very hypocritical response. You tell them to practice what the bible says, yet call it drivel.

You are no better than the photographer, in fact you are acting just like her.

Funny that you go out and mock christianity while telling christians to be tolerant.

[Caterina]

a-parent wrote:

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Dood! That is sooo apples and oranges. A christian taking pictures of a gay wedding would be like a pastor taking pictures of a gay wedding.
Come to your senses and get off the "you people" way of thinking 'cuz, well, we're all "you people" aren't we? What happened to live and let live or turn the other cheek or all the other drivel the bible espews? If you want to pick and choose, fine. If you want to admit it's a "good story" based on truth, fine, too. If you want to live on a planet with a bunch of others who have free speech and independent thought, way cool.
The photog had tons of other choices for reasons not to shoot this particular wedding and as a service industry to the public, they should have chosen more wisely than to offend a portion of that public. If she had said she was too busy, regardless of the real reason, we'd not have any story nor would anyone's life be upside-down now. I'm just sayin'

What do you mean this 'you people' way of thinking. I mean you people spouting that the photographer was wrong on this board. What exactly do you mean?

And, in your world, lying would be OK then? Isn't lying about the reason basically denying your faith in front of others? That is wrong for a Christian to do.

As for the witnessing: yes, we are supposed to do that. I can witness to the lesbians right then and there, before they get married. I wouldn't be enriching my business at their ceremony which my faith does not support, nor would I be participating in it. That would be the more proper place and circumstance in my opinion.

[evil todd]

Oyegi Thamu wrote:

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Ummmm.... isn't that what Jesus Christ preached... peace, love & tolerance? Isn't that what being a Christian is supposed to be about?

No it is not. Jesus did NOT teach tolerance. He taught love, absolutely, and he taught right and wrong. He taught turning from sin and turning to the Father. That does not sound like tolerance to me.

"Oh but Jesus hung out with the sinners" Yes, but do you think He was hanging out with them just to hang out? No. He was telling them to turn from their sin.