UNM sees rise in students taking onli...

UNM sees rise in students taking online courses

There are 17 comments on the KOB-TV New Mexico story from Oct 1, 2012, titled UNM sees rise in students taking online courses. In it, KOB-TV New Mexico reports that:

University of New Mexico has seen a nearly 50-percent increase over last year in the number of credit hours that its students are taking in online courses.

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#1 Oct 1, 2012
Wrong title, should be take class over week-end, pass and graduate following week.

Just how can they prove one is not cheating by looking up answers in book, search engine etc.?

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#2 Oct 1, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
Wrong title, should be take class over week-end, pass and graduate following week.
Just how can they prove one is not cheating by looking up answers in book, search engine etc.?
They write tests for online courses that render those mechanisms ineffective. For instance, the tests are timed so that one only has 60 seconds or 90 seconds per question. Also, open book exams are given when critical thinking is required. Those are the most difficult. You'd be surprised how challenging online courses are. They are not easy, at all.

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#3 Oct 1, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
Wrong title, should be take class over week-end, pass and graduate following week.
Just how can they prove one is not cheating by looking up answers in book, search engine etc.?
That was an APS on-line course a HS student took, this is UNM. Although I can't say for sure the end result would be any different<G>.

I do wonder though if they charge the same for a classroom class vs an on-line one.

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#4 Oct 1, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>They write tests for online courses that render those mechanisms ineffective. For instance, the tests are timed so that one only has 60 seconds or 90 seconds per question. Also, open book exams are given when critical thinking is required. Those are the most difficult. You'd be surprised how challenging online courses are. They are not easy, at all.
UNM employs critical thinking<Gasp!!>? Seems they are critical of just about everything<VBG>.

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#5 Oct 1, 2012
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>They write tests for online courses that render those mechanisms ineffective. For instance, the tests are timed so that one only has 60 seconds or 90 seconds per question. Also, open book exams are given when critical thinking is required. Those are the most difficult. You'd be surprised how challenging online courses are. They are not easy, at all.
Thank you Nurse Elise. Shall I assume you speak from personal experience on these courses?

At least they make sure one cannot cheat, unlike that HS student who in my opinion should not have been allowed to graduate, that simply told me APS is more interested in numbers rather then quality of education.

CD did remind me it was APS, thanks CD.

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#6 Oct 2, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
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Thank you Nurse Elise. Shall I assume you speak from personal experience on these courses?
At least they make sure one cannot cheat, unlike that HS student who in my opinion should not have been allowed to graduate, that simply told me APS is more interested in numbers rather then quality of education.
CD did remind me it was APS, thanks CD.
I went to CNM, but the courses are similar. I took some online classes and some hybrid (half classroom, half online.) I prefer classes on campus, but that's not always practical.

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#7 Oct 2, 2012
I've taken online classes.It is more than taking tests online. You have discussion rooms like this thread. You submit essays and media assignments. You get power points and lectures on YouTube.

There is more writing in an online class IMO.

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#8 Oct 2, 2012
Given some of the profs in the Computer Science department, online courses are preferable. You can at least learn something, as the classroom gives less value and information than the online course. The students have to teach themselves anyway because of the lack of help and direction from the profs who would rather be somewhere else. Not even a virtual reality for them.

Ironically, many of the computer science students feel that much of their class experience is like an online course.

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#9 Oct 2, 2012
Phil the Grillmaster wrote:
I've taken online classes.It is more than taking tests online. You have discussion rooms like this thread. You submit essays and media assignments. You get power points and lectures on YouTube.
There is more writing in an online class IMO.
Sounds overall like they are advantageous and useful for the students, pretty much a win-win. I still wonder about their cost though, as in are students getting a break in the cost as opposed to the course in a classroom envionment?

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#10 Oct 2, 2012
Willothewisp wrote:
The students have to teach themselves anyway because of the lack of help and direction from the profs who would rather be somewhere else.
I had one of those characters at UNM years ago for a Calculus class, a 100% AH when it came to answering questions because of his poor teaching methods.

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#11 Oct 3, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
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Sounds overall like they are advantageous and useful for the students, pretty much a win-win. I still wonder about their cost though, as in are students getting a break in the cost as opposed to the course in a classroom envionment?
The cost is the same for both courses.

Sometimes you have to buy the traditional text book ($100 min)and sometimes you can get the book on-line a little cheaper.

There are also web sites that you must purchase an access code to in order to do your homework.

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#12 Oct 3, 2012
Phil the Grillmaster wrote:
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The cost is the same for both courses.
Sometimes you have to buy the traditional text book ($100 min)and sometimes you can get the book on-line a little cheaper.
There are also web sites that you must purchase an access code to in order to do your homework.
Sounds like UNM reaps a far greater benefit than the students when it comes to course materials & costs. Why am I not surprised? God forbid any savings or breaks would be passed on to those taking the courses.

The subject overall is quite fascinating though when money is left out of the equation as there are some distinct advantages.

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#13 Oct 3, 2012
And look at the price of a textbook...$100 or more and sometimes written by the professor...but the inflationary prices of the books are incredible. That is why Amazon is doing so well on selling textbooks and offer a very fair and reasonable buy-back. And then with the UNM bookstore in the red, who do you think continues to subsidize it?

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#14 Oct 3, 2012
I have a question to pose. How do they know the actual student is logging in (on) and participating in the course? Is it not possible that someone could enroll in a course and have someone else complete it? Unless they require webcams and the instructor has a photo of the student, it seems quite possible.

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#15 Oct 3, 2012
They can't tell, though some will have some face to face with the instructor. A log on ID and voila...invite a friend over to do the work...

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Since: Aug 08

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#16 Oct 3, 2012
No different from cheating in class, though, when you get down to it. Have someone else do your paper for you, and if it's typed, the teacher can't tell who wrote it, can they?

I'm in UNM, and have taken online courses. Also most courses are now hybrid, in that they have both an in-class *and* an online component. It just makes things easier for the teacher, in terms of content delivery. I've also seen a rise in teachers putting readings on the class webCT or ereserves site, which saves us, the students a good deal of money.

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#17 Oct 3, 2012
And some teachers have even caught students using the same paper and let it go. All depends on where the student is from....

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