Child porn found on MVD worker's computers

Dec 6, 2012 Full story: KOAT-TV 32

A federal complaint states that authorities found more than 7,000 child porn images and videos on Vandemeer's computers.

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#1 Dec 6, 2012
I'm kind of surprised that cities and the state even allow personal use of computers considering there are ways to block sites whether on the mainframe computer or installed on each individual computer.

Considering the amount found do not hire an attorney, just admit guilt and go directly to jail.

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#2 Dec 6, 2012
I'm surprised too unless these are pics etc the idiot brought in and uploaded to his PC. FWIW, he was a temp employee, one who came thru a temp agency under contract with the state for temp employees.

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#3 Dec 6, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
I'm surprised too unless these are pics etc the idiot brought in and uploaded to his PC. FWIW, he was a temp employee, one who came thru a temp agency under contract with the state for temp employees.
A temp? Can't the state do their own interviewing and hiring?
Even for temp. workers?

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#4 Dec 6, 2012
Temps are typically hired for short term needs, albeit it has become a 'convenient' means to have the personnel on-board long term but not show them as employees -AND- they get no benefits so there is a cost savings there too. But its not worth a damn for the employees. And what the entity pays the temp agency vs what the agency pays the employee is at or near 50%.

Its a great way to "hide" employees as budgets never look at temps, only FT emps.

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#5 Dec 6, 2012
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A temp? Can't the state do their own interviewing and hiring?
Even for temp. workers?
The state, as does the City of Albuquerque have a contract with certain temp agencies. They get all their temps from one or two agencies in Albuquerque. The agencies bid for that contract and the one coming in with the lowest bid gets the contract.
If the government agencies are going to contract with agencies then part of the requirement should be that these agencies subject ALL employees to a background check.
What I don't get is how he could access such sites on a MVD computer? I thought that most places of employment block them? The FEDS monitor all websites, and they sort of give you the opportunity to hang yourself. Many times it is a co-operative effort with all LE, sometimes stings are set up.

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#6 Dec 6, 2012
fmer505-1951 wrote:
<quoted text>The state, as does the City of Albuquerque have a contract with certain temp agencies. They get all their temps from one or two agencies in Albuquerque. The agencies bid for that contract and the one coming in with the lowest bid gets the contract.
If the government agencies are going to contract with agencies then part of the requirement should be that these agencies subject ALL employees to a background check.
What I don't get is how he could access such sites on a MVD computer? I thought that most places of employment block them? The FEDS monitor all websites, and they sort of give you the opportunity to hang yourself. Many times it is a co-operative effort with all LE, sometimes stings are set up.
Agreed on the BG checks, of course it'll cost a whole lot more money for the contract but that's easily made up by not having to pay a lawsuit. Besides, temps should only be for some predetermined time span for any given position. Sadly they are abused (pay and benefits) while temps. Like no holiday pay etc.

I thought he may have brought them in on a thumb drive, but if so, why copy them to a PC? And if he has access to such sites via the MVD computers, then others do too, like all of them. Something isn't passing the smell test here, but then the state has terrible IT oversight, if any at all.

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#7 Dec 6, 2012
Perhaps before they busted this guy they should have done a 100% check of all computers and round up others who are breaking laws using them regardless of temp or perm. employees.

And regardless of what personal things they are using the computers for.

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#8 Dec 6, 2012
Having just viewed the ditty again on Ch7 a moment ago, it almost appears he was working from an apartment, or maybe I misunderstood what they said. Sure sounded like they said they'd gone into a small apt and found all this stuff on his work (???)computer. If so, WTH is he doing working from an apt? The more they report on this the weirder it gets.

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#9 Dec 6, 2012
Bluntly Spoken wrote:
Perhaps before they busted this guy they should have done a 100% check of all computers and round up others who are breaking laws using them regardless of temp or perm. employees.
And regardless of what personal things they are using the computers for.
Agreed, but I seriously doubt NM's IT div has the means, let alone the expertise or desire. The St of NMs IT dept is a true disaster and a good training tool on how not to do things.
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#10 Dec 6, 2012
the article say the images were on a work computer? I don't see that in this story.

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#11 Dec 6, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
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Agreed on the BG checks, of course it'll cost a whole lot more money for the contract but that's easily made up by not having to pay a lawsuit. Besides, temps should only be for some predetermined time span for any given position. Sadly they are abused (pay and benefits) while temps. Like no holiday pay etc.
I thought he may have brought them in on a thumb drive, but if so, why copy them to a PC? And if he has access to such sites via the MVD computers, then others do too, like all of them. Something isn't passing the smell test here, but then the state has terrible IT oversight, if any at all.
Actually background checks aren't that expensive. If I remember correctly, the cost was $20, fingerprint, and NCIC check. Sometimes temps are sent to places of employment for a prolonged period of time. Most temps though usually use it as a stepping stone to a permanent position.
Regardless of whether the state's IT people are any good or not, the controls should have been there. It is apparent that if it was a work computer that somehow things went through the cracks in our government.

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#12 Dec 6, 2012
Does wrote:
the article say the images were on a work computer? I don't see that in this story.
You are right, I stand corrected. It was not on an MVD computer, but his personal computer/s at his apartment?? Either way, he should not have been employed in any position in a government facility. A background check would have revealed this man's background.

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#13 Dec 6, 2012
fmer505-1951 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually background checks aren't that expensive. If I remember correctly, the cost was $20, fingerprint, and NCIC check. Sometimes temps are sent to places of employment for a prolonged period of time. Most temps though usually use it as a stepping stone to a permanent position.
Regardless of whether the state's IT people are any good or not, the controls should have been there. It is apparent that if it was a work computer that somehow things went through the cracks in our government.
No disagreement from me on that, but what NM does and should do are usually 180 out from each other. I doubt many temp agencies would be doing this as a blanket measure. If they did the ACLU would be all over them for impeding their right to employment saying its a witch hunt. At least for those looking for minimal employment anyway. Those looking for more 'sensitive' employment should most certainly be going thru the full BG ck gambit.

Sadly most of those contracts, if not all disallow the them from getting a job with any entity they may be sublet to for anywhere between 6mos and a year. Part of the contract they sigh when they apply to the temp agency for work. Temp agencies are not all they're cracked up to be, but sometimes one has to bite the bullet.

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#14 Dec 6, 2012
fmer505-1951 wrote:
<quoted text>You are right, I stand corrected. It was not on an MVD computer, but his personal computer/s at his apartment?? Either way, he should not have been employed in any position in a government facility. A background check would have revealed this man's background.
I doubt the law would have kept him from a temp government job, or a government job, even given his past convictions. Perhaps it would but... You know where I'm coming from on this I'm sure.

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#15 Dec 6, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
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No disagreement from me on that, but what NM does and should do are usually 180 out from each other. I doubt many temp agencies would be doing this as a blanket measure. If they did the ACLU would be all over them for impeding their right to employment saying its a witch hunt. At least for those looking for minimal employment anyway. Those looking for more 'sensitive' employment should most certainly be going thru the full BG ck gambit.
Sadly most of those contracts, if not all disallow the them from getting a job with any entity they may be sublet to for anywhere between 6mos and a year. Part of the contract they sigh when they apply to the temp agency for work. Temp agencies are not all they're cracked up to be, but sometimes one has to bite the bullet.
The ACLU would not have a problem with it. I have worked many jobs through temp agencies and have been required to do fingerprint and background check. What I do think is wasteful is that if you do it for one agency, another agency won't accept it. You have to go through the process all over again. I think some of them are temp to hire, and at times if they seek full time employment, they have to buy the person's contract from the agency.

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#16 Dec 6, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
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I doubt the law would have kept him from a temp government job, or a government job, even given his past convictions. Perhaps it would but... You know where I'm coming from on this I'm sure.
You are probably right, as long as he was not employed around children. IMO, laws regarding sex offenders should be revamped.

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#17 Dec 6, 2012
Something very fishy here, I read this story today on KOB and now it has been totally removed.

It clearly said a state employee had thousands of child porn found on his work computer.

Granted at times news services rush to be the first to report things but why totally remove it instead of making corrections as they normally do?

Another worry and one which so far the state has not said they are researching is he had access to every single drivers license and the personal infor. He could easily have stolen a lot of it to pass on to other molesters he knows.

My gut feeling here is the state asked KOB to remove it to CYA.

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#18 Dec 7, 2012
fmer505-1951 wrote:
<quoted text>The ACLU would not have a problem with it. I have worked many jobs through temp agencies and have been required to do fingerprint and background check. What I do think is wasteful is that if you do it for one agency, another agency won't accept it. You have to go through the process all over again. I think some of them are temp to hire, and at times if they seek full time employment, they have to buy the person's contract from the agency.
If there are any of those manner of contracts still about, they are few and far between.

Going thru it over again can be explained by following the money. Someone is making out quite well from doing the same check over and over again, what few are ever really done.

Oh I expect the ACLU most certainly would have a problem w/ BG checks for all temp employees.

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#19 Dec 7, 2012
fmer505-1951 wrote:
<quoted text>You are probably right, as long as he was not employed around children. IMO, laws regarding sex offenders should be revamped.
I tend to agree given that we release them back into society, then greatly inhibit their ability to find gainful employment. Hence my comment about ACLU involvement. If we give them no means to make a living, what exactly is it we expect them to do? There are many side issues with all of the SO issue but visiting it would be a good thing IMO.

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#20 Dec 7, 2012
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Another worry and one which so far the state has not said they are researching is he had access to every single drivers license and the personal infor. He could easily have stolen a lot of it to pass on to other molesters he knows.
My gut feeling here is the state asked KOB to remove it to CYA.
My sense is they pulled it(if the did) because they found they were in error on their facts, the rush to tell syndrome, and figured it was best they get the facts first, then make it public.

As for accessing/giving data to others SO's, I doubt that as anyone @ MVD with access to that info is just as likely/unlikely to give it to anyone else. I don't see it being limited to SO's only.

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