Russian impactor and the anti-science sentimentality.

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“I ain't afraid of no ghosts.”

Since: Aug 08

Dear old mucky Drasnia

#1 Feb 16, 2013
I am rather irked that people are pissing and moaning that the meteor warning system that should be in place in a couple of years won't do anything. It will give you notice to call your loved ones and say goodbye, which is something that far too many people never get.

Consider this, we had no tracking on the rock that exploded over Russia. We are a tiny spec in an incomprehensible amount of space. A warning system will require us to advance our locating and tracking systems, which hopefully would lead into preventative systems in time. But it requires action NOW. Action that, while it may seem does little, adds up in the bigger picture.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#2 Feb 16, 2013
Meteorites, evolution, global warming...they are all deplorable hoaxes by liberal scientists. The alleged Russian meteorite was just a missile with a conventional warhead designed to scare us into believing Darwin's Satanic theory of evolution and how the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteorite. And we are supposed to believe this, the day before an alleged asteroid was supposed to have a near miss with the Earth, and then California has a bright flash the day after? Yeah, right. Let me guess...Al Gore is about to release his next book scam..."An Inconvenient Rock".

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#3 Feb 16, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
I am rather irked that people are pissing and moaning that the meteor warning system that should be in place in a couple of years won't do anything. It will give you notice to call your loved ones and say goodbye, which is something that far too many people never get.
Consider this, we had no tracking on the rock that exploded over Russia. We are a tiny spec in an incomprehensible amount of space. A warning system will require us to advance our locating and tracking systems, which hopefully would lead into preventative systems in time. But it requires action NOW. Action that, while it may seem does little, adds up in the bigger picture.
This is what occurs when you have a government that promises to be everything to everyone, yet that's exactly what the sheeple want, to be duped and yet have someone to blame. One fool feeds the other!
Hagar

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Feb 16, 2013
Can you imagine the chaos and pandemonium caused by a false alarm, which is bound to occur. Then when the real thing occurs it will be crying wolf once too often. There will be no way to evacuate or protect people if we knew exactly when (probably max of 15 minutes advance notice) and where a meteor would hit.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#5 Feb 16, 2013
Hagar wrote:
Can you imagine the chaos and pandemonium caused by a false alarm, which is bound to occur. Then when the real thing occurs it will be crying wolf once too often. There will be no way to evacuate or protect people if we knew exactly when (probably max of 15 minutes advance notice) and where a meteor would hit.
And let just one person be hurt or feign being hurt from a false alarm and here come the bottom feeding attorneys. People in this country go out of their way to be offended, hurt and actively pursue filing frivolous lawsuits - not all by any means, but a great many!

“I ain't afraid of no ghosts.”

Since: Aug 08

Dear old mucky Drasnia

#6 Feb 16, 2013
Hagar wrote:
There will be no way to evacuate or protect people if we knew exactly when (probably max of 15 minutes advance notice) and where a meteor would hit.
And? You would at least be able to say goodbye to your loved ones. And again, it starts with a warning system, it evolves to hopefully one day a prevention system, but it has to start somewhere.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#7 Feb 16, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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And? You would at least be able to say goodbye to your loved ones. And again, it starts with a warning system, it evolves to hopefully one day a prevention system, but it has to start somewhere.
What you forget is that many people EXPECT something more than just a warning system. Maybe not you but others do and therein lies where all the BS starts. They see 'early warning' and think it means safety, shelter and nothing adverse will occur. Me, I figure if it's inevitable I'm crisped in a flash, then why spend the money on an early warning system unless it has the potential to help avoid the bomb/asteroid or whatever it is that we are to be warned about. I don't need the anguish, I'd prefer its over in a nano-second. You and I have different ideas on the afterlife so for me a goodbye is unnecessary as I believe we'll meet again. Not criticizing your beliefs, just saying.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#8 Feb 17, 2013
The fact that Congress is going to hold hearings on the threats from meteorites and asteroids makes me feel safer already http://politix.topix.com/homepage/4631-lawmak...

I mean, who cares about issues like gun violence and the economy when one of these nasty space rocks could blow up over heads at any minute or, even worse, turn Albuquerque into a great big meteorite crater?
911 was an inside job

United States

#9 Feb 17, 2013
Lobo Viejo wrote:
Meteorites, evolution, global warming...
When you say "global warming," are you referring to Earth, Mars, Venus, the Sun, or ...?

I particularly like this BBC article on the "settled science" of global warming from January of this year, revealing the latest advances in climate science:

"Climate model forecast is revised"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...

Essentially, the article reports that short term predictions for climate change have been revised downward.
The earlier model had projected that the period 2012-16 would be 0.54C above that long-term average - within a range of uncertainty from 0.36-0.72C.

By contrast the new model, known as HadGEM3, gives a rise about one-fifth lower than that of 0.43C - within a range of 0.28-0.59.

This would be only slightly higher that the record year of 1998 - in which the Pacific Ocean's El Nino effect was thought to have added more warming.

If the forecast is accurate, the result would be that the global average temperature would have remained RELATIVELY STATIC FOR THE NEXT TWO DECADES.
Again, "RELATIVELY STATIC FOR THE NEXT TWO DECADES."

(!!)

The article goes on to stress that long term predictions forecast increasing temperatures.(Sure, scientists may have been off on the short term patterns, but they nailed the long term ones without question...)

Also, the article explains that the "RELATIVELY STATIC" temperature averages for the "NEXT TWO DECADES" are due to "natural variability" ("the most obvious explanation.")

Gosh, it's all so complicated. But the "experts" have it in the bag. That's all we need to worry our pretty little heads about.
911 was an inside job

United States

#11 Feb 17, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what occurs when you have a government that promises to be everything to everyone, yet that's exactly what the sheeple want, to be duped and yet have someone to blame. One fool feeds the other!
This is what occurs when the federal agencies charged with public safety and well-being make pronouncements like, "the air [at Ground Zero on 9/11] is safe to breathe and the water is safe to drink." (EPA Adminitrator Christine Todd Whitman)

And also

"If you're looking for something that isn't there, you're wasting your time ... and the taxpayers' money." (Michael Neuman, Spokesman for the National Institute of Standards and Technology, explaining why NIST didn't actually examine the dust and residues at Ground Zero in an attempt to rule out alternative hypotheses, allowing them to "honestly" state that they found no evidence to support alternatives....

... because they didn't look (despite the fact that *looking* is standard investigative protocol and an essential step in the scientific process of data collection.
911 was an inside job

United States

#12 Feb 17, 2013
Lobo Viejo wrote:
Meteorites, evolution, global warming...
A cool T-shirt...

http://rlv.zcache.com/minnesotans_for_global_...

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#13 Feb 17, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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And? You would at least be able to say goodbye to your loved ones. And again, it starts with a warning system, it evolves to hopefully one day a prevention system, but it has to start somewhere.
I agree. We could call the prevention system Star Wars.
911 was an inside job

United States

#14 Feb 17, 2013
Perhaps the largest single polluter on the planet:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

“I ain't afraid of no ghosts.”

Since: Aug 08

Dear old mucky Drasnia

#15 Feb 17, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
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I agree. We could call the prevention system Star Wars.
Sadly, the Strategic Defense Initiative already took that honor.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#16 Feb 17, 2013
911 was an inside job wrote:
<quoted text>
When you say "global warming," are you referring to Earth, Mars, Venus, the Sun, or ...?
I particularly like this BBC article on the "settled science" of global warming from January of this year, revealing the latest advances in climate science:
"Climate model forecast is revised"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...
Essentially, the article reports that short term predictions for climate change have been revised downward.
<quoted text>
Again, "RELATIVELY STATIC FOR THE NEXT TWO DECADES."
(!!)
The article goes on to stress that long term predictions forecast increasing temperatures.(Sure, scientists may have been off on the short term patterns, but they nailed the long term ones without question...)
Also, the article explains that the "RELATIVELY STATIC" temperature averages for the "NEXT TWO DECADES" are due to "natural variability" ("the most obvious explanation.")
Gosh, it's all so complicated. But the "experts" have it in the bag. That's all we need to worry our pretty little heads about.
There are all kinds of changes going on right now to radiative forcing, some natural, some manmade, some +, some -. It IS very complicated, and predicting the net effect that all these forcings will have on climate requires constant reevaluation. That's the nature of science.

Maybe you should just stick to your demonstrated field of expertise in weaving misquoted facts and anecdotal info into paranoid government conspiracy theories.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#17 Feb 17, 2013
Silk_the_Absent1 wrote:
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Sadly, the Strategic Defense Initiative already took that honor.
Don't be so sad, Silk. The Cold War Museum is a richer place thanks to Reagan's Star Wars. http://www.coldwar.org/index.asp
911 was an inside job

Austin, TX

#18 Feb 18, 2013
Lobo Viejo wrote:
<quoted text>
There are all kinds of changes going on right now to radiative forcing, some natural, some manmade, some +, some -. It IS very complicated, and predicting the net effect that all these forcings will have on climate requires constant reevaluation. That's the nature of science.
Maybe you should just stick to your demonstrated field of expertise in weaving misquoted facts and anecdotal info into paranoid government conspiracy theories.
Which "facts" am I misquoting?

I'm actually a big fan of science. I'm not a fan of manipulated data and conspiracy to commit fraud, as the "Climatic Research Unit" emails at the University of East Anglia reveal.

And I have a problem with (pseudo) "science" being used to further the aims and get-super-rich-quick schemes of global crime syndicates.

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