Senator Feinstein Is LYING Her Betty ...

Senator Feinstein Is LYING Her Betty Davis THIGHS Off!

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#1 Dec 30, 2012
On her web site, Senator Feinstein makes reference to a US Department of Justice Study that claims a significan reduction in homicides (and other lies) due to the assault weapons (sic) ban. The study, written by Jeffrey A. Roth and Christopher S. Koper, dated March 1999, and not the 1997 date Senator Feinstein places on it. When you go to Senator Feinstein's web site, they offer you a link to the PDF document where you supposedly can view that report, but IT DOES NOT WORK. If it were to work, you'd see that this report by Roth and Koper, dated March 1999 is AT SERIOUS ODDS with what Senator Feinstein claims. I happen to have a copy of the report in question IN ITS ORIGINAL, US Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, National Institute of Justice full color issue. It says NO SUCH THING. It's titled "Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban", and it is publication no. NCJ 173405. Senator Feinstein, YOU LIE!!! And I wish the media would investigate the hell out of your false claims!!!

You can go to to see someone else's copy, albeit just the front page, but it states quite clearly that "...the banned weapons and magazines were rarely used to commit murders in this country" and in another section, also on page 1 "Although the weapons banned by this legislation were used only rarely in gun crimes before the ban, supporters (of the ban) FELT that these weapons posed a threat to public safety because they are capable of firing many shots rapidly." Watch, they're going to try to ban revolvers and speedloaders next!

Huntsville, AL

#2 Dec 30, 2012
Beast Master wrote:
can't you just discuss issues instead of throwing in the misogyny that seems to go hand-in-hand with the gun nut crowd?
Real info

Huntsville, AL

#3 Dec 30, 2012
Beast Master wrote:
Gun violence continues to be one of America’s most serious crime problems. In 2000, over 10,000 persons were murdered with firearms and almost 49,000 more were shot in the course of over 340,000 assaults and robberies with guns (see the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s annual Uniform Crime Reports and Simon et al., 2002). The total costs of gun violence in the United States – including medical, criminal justice, and other government and private costs – are on the order of at least $6 to $12 billion per year and, by more controversial estimates, could be as high as $80 billion per year (Cook and Ludwig, 2000).
However, there has been good news in recent years. Police statistics and national victimization surveys show that since the early 1990s, gun crime has plummeted to some of the lowest levels in decades (see the Uniform Crime Reports and Rennison, 2001). Have gun controls contributed to this decline, and, if so, which ones?
During the last decade, the federal government has undertaken a number of initiatives to suppress gun crime. These include, among others, the establishment of a national background check system for gun buyers (through the Brady Act), reforms of the licensing system for firearms dealers, a ban on juvenile handgun possession, and Project Safe Neighborhoods, a collaborative effort between U.S. Attorneys and local authorities to attack local gun crime problems and enhance punishment for gun offenders.
Perhaps the most controversial of these federal initiatives was the ban on semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines enacted as Title XI, Subtitle A of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. This law prohibits a relatively small group of weapons considered by ban advocates to be particularly dangerous and attractive for criminal purposes. In this report, we investigate the ban’s impacts on gun crime through the late 1990s and beyond. This study updates a prior report on the short-term effects of the ban (1994-1996) that members of this research team prepared for the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Congress (Roth and Koper, 1997; 1999).
Real info

Huntsville, AL

#4 Dec 30, 2012
From the author of the 2004 updated assessment just prior to letting the law expire.

• Following implementation of the ban, the share of gun crimes involving AWs declined by 17% to 72% across the localities examined for this study (Baltimore, Miami, Milwaukee, Boston, St. Louis, and Anchorage), based on data covering all or portions of the 1995-2003 post-ban period. This is consistent with patterns found in national data on guns recovered by police and reported to ATF.

• The decline in the use of AWs has been due primarily to a reduction in the use of assault pistols (APs), which are used in crime more commonly than assault rifles (ARs). There has not been a clear decline in the use of ARs, though assessments are complicated by the rarity of crimes with these weapons and by substitution of post-ban rifles that are very similar to the banned AR models.
• However, the decline in AW use was offset throughout at least the late 1990s by steady or rising use of other guns equipped with LCMs in jurisdictions studied (Baltimore, Milwaukee, Louisville, and Anchorage). The failure to reduce LCM use has likely been due to the immense stock of exempted pre-ban magazines, which has been enhanced by recent imports.
Real info

Huntsville, AL

#5 Dec 30, 2012
• Because the ban has not yet reduced the use of LCMs in crime, we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. However, the ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban AWs and LCMs ensured that the effects of the law would occur only gradually. Those effects are still unfolding and may not be fully felt for several years into the future, particularly if foreign, pre-ban LCMs continue to be imported into the U.S. in large numbers.

The Ban’s Reauthorization or Expiration Could Affect Gunshot Victimizations, But Predictions are Tenuous

• Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban. LCMs are involved in a more substantial share of gun crimes, but it is not clear how often the outcomes of gun attacks depend on the ability of offenders to fire more than ten shots (the current magazine capacity limit) without reloading.

• Nonetheless, reducing criminal use of AWs and especially LCMs could have non-trivial effects on gunshot victimizations. The few available studies suggest that attacks with semiautomatics – including AWs and other semiautomatics equipped with LCMs – result in more shots fired, more persons hit, and more wounds inflicted per victim than do attacks with other firearms. Further, a study of handgun attacks in one city found that 3% of the gunfire incidents resulted in more than 10 shots fired, and those attacks produced almost 5% of the gunshot victims.

• Restricting the flow of LCMs into the country from abroad may be necessary to achieve desired effects from the ban, particularly in the near future. Whether mandating further design changes in the outward features of semiautomatic weapons (such as removing all military-style features) will produce measurable benefits beyond those of restricting ammunition capacity is unknown. Past experience also suggests that Congressional discussion of broadening the AW ban to new models or features would raise prices and production of the weapons under discussion.

• If the ban is lifted, gun and magazine manufacturers may reintroduce AW models and LCMs, perhaps in substantial numbers. In addition, pre-ban AWs may lose value and novelty, prompting some of their owners to sell them in undocumented secondhand markets where they can more easily reach high-risk users, such as criminals, terrorists, and other potential mass murderers. Any resulting increase in crimes with AWs and LCMs might increase gunshot victimizations for the reasons noted above, though this effect could be difficult to measure.

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Dec 30, 2012
are a man's best friend,many women too.

Sterling Heights, MI

#7 Dec 31, 2012
Her planned regulations will only be followed by law abiding gun owning citizens while the criminals ignore the regulations, thus proving that regulations are in effective in preventing or slowing crime.

Since: Dec 10


#8 Dec 31, 2012
Bette. It's Bette. Not Betty. Thank you for making your ignorance so obvious in the headline,so we wouldn't need to read any further.

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Dec 31, 2012
walterfm wrote:
Bette. It's Bette. Not Betty. Thank you for making your ignorance so obvious in the headline,so we wouldn't need to read any further.
Concerned Citizen

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Dec 31, 2012
Real info, you are lying sack of crap. And that's not misogynistic. Just based on the lies that you, Feinstein, Schumer, etc. like to propagate. You never know with "movie stars" what the hell their real names are. I thought it was funny. Betty Davis, Bette Davis, I did not fail to find the humor in the play on words to the song "Bette Davis Eyes". I also did not fail to find humor in the poster's substitution of "thighs" for "butt". In either case, it's a mighty sorry, wrinkly affair, whether we are talking thighs or butts.

I've actually visited and Senator Feinstein's web site. The BIG LIE is easy to spot. She is a liar, and not amount of name-calling or smear ("misogynist") is going to take away from the fact anti-gunners are liars. Even the alleged statistics you supply are lies. The author of the web site you obviously find objectionable supplies the actual reports and let's us see for ourselves. You guys just lie your butts off and expect the rest of us to believe. You are in for a tough battle if you think your lies and your base, crass use of the death of children by some maniac is going to convince the rest of us to give up our rights under the Bill of Rights.

Huntsville, AL

#11 Dec 31, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
crackpot BS.

Huntsville, AL

#12 Dec 31, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
of "thighs" for "butt". In either case, it's a mighty sorry, wrinkly affair, whether we are talking thighs or butts.
misogynistic crp.
DOJ report

Huntsville, AL

#13 Dec 31, 2012
Concerned Citizen

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Jan 1, 2013
Totally humorless. Typical of the advocates for a nannified country. Just look at what the 'disarm them all' mentality has cost England in crimes.
There has been a concerted effort, part of which has been "Fast & Furious" to ban firearms in this country. I'm not following your link. I get DOJ pubs due to my former occupation. I don't trust any post-"Fast & Furious" stats because they have been manufactured to achieve the desired results.
The fact is those "kids" dying in the inner cities are the results of gun battles with drug-dealing thugs that are 14-17 years of age. Like in Mexico, DRUGS, and poverty are the main causes of violence. Criminals misuse guns and gun laws the way they misuse drugs and drug laws. No amount of "banning" is going to stop them until we LEGALIZE all drugs and take the profit incentive out of dealing them. Then we'll have enough funds available for treatment. You are a dour humorless jackass. People that know me KNOW I'm no misogynist. You don't matter and people like you are going to have an uphill fight ahead. Just take a look at what's happening with Americans and their buying spree of weapons and ammunition.
The report

Huntsville, AL

#15 Jan 1, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
I don't trust any post-"Fast & Furious" stats because they have been manufactured to achieve the desired results.
DoJ report is from 2004, bonehead.
due to

Huntsville, AL

#16 Jan 1, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
The fact is those "kids" dying in the inner cities are the results of gun battles with drug-dealing thugs that are 14-17 years of age.
easy access.

Huntsville, AL

#17 Jan 1, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
. Just take a look at what's happening with Americans and their buying spree of weapons and ammunition.
total madness by the lunatic violent, fringe.

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