Cessna Celebrates 15 Years Of Buildin...

Cessna Celebrates 15 Years Of Building Airplanes In Independence, Kansas

There are 18 comments on the NewsOn6 Tulsa story from Jun 30, 2011, titled Cessna Celebrates 15 Years Of Building Airplanes In Independence, Kansas. In it, NewsOn6 Tulsa reports that:

Cessna is marking the 15th anniversary of its facility in Independence, Kansas where it has produced nearly 9,500 single-engine piston-powered airplanes and more than 350 Citation Mustang business jets.

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Since: May 11

United States

#1 Jun 30, 2011
I wonder how long its going to take before the main product is a colored-in swim-lane??
Americanborn

Wichita, KS

#2 Jul 3, 2011
Congratulations! I see that this picture is so downsized of employees. Just remember that it took all the other ones too, to make it a 15 year celebration. Hope that you can stick around for another 15 years and hire back some ppl....GOOD LUCK!!!
The truth

Wichita, KS

#3 Jul 4, 2011
What you're seeing there is basically the office staff and salaried folks. No wonder the company can't make any money, way too many chiefs for very few Indians.
Wtf

Ingleside, TX

#4 Jul 4, 2011
What In the he'll are you talking about? There are 2 control stations on the Mustang line with what can't be any more than 6 salaried workers each. Backshop alone has over 20 people, so I don't see where the office/salaried remark even comes from. Yeah, the place is a little thin right now, but that last comment is anything but accurate.
The truth

United States

#5 Jul 5, 2011
Wtf wrote:
What In the he'll are you talking about? There are 2 control stations on the Mustang line with what can't be any more than 6 salaried workers each. Backshop alone has over 20 people, so I don't see where the office/salaried remark even comes from. Yeah, the place is a little thin right now, but that last comment is anything but accurate.
And how many "liaison engineers", HR, accounting, sales, administrative, etc., etc., etc. I know a lot of the folks in that photo, and they fall into one of those categories. Why does Cessna Indy have 2.4 direct (production) workers for each indirect (salary sucking) employees? The industry average is more like 7-to-1, if you know anything at all about production management. Anything but accurate? I think that's where you are coming from.
Wtf

Ingleside, TX

#6 Jul 5, 2011
No, I am still right on this. The implication of how you stated your information is that if somebody where to walk in they would see more salaried/suits than not. That is not correct-- or maybe it's a different view over by the auto riveter...

Either way, you still need hr, engineers, leads, finance, etc. to run an aircraft facility. I can tell you from my experience that we are severely at a lack of engineers. Most of these "salary suckers" (as you put it) do alot more than simply operate a machine.
ummmm

Coffeyville, KS

#7 Jul 5, 2011
That picture is old if you can see there is snow on the ground. There are less ppl still. Half the ppl in that phot are not even there anymore. Get a clue!

Since: May 11

United States

#8 Jul 5, 2011
well techically the ratio of "office to floor staff" is a little high now. Because a lot of people are in Chihuahua
downtownbrown

Wichita, KS

#9 Jul 5, 2011
I know everyone in my area breathed a sigh of relief a couple of weeks ago when Cessna's biggest doucebags, J Newkirk, resigned and headed back to Arkansas. Guy was a moron of the biggest extent, obviously his mom kept him from getting laid off, cause that department lost to many good people for him to stay. We are glad to see him go.
The truth

United States

#10 Jul 6, 2011
Wtf wrote:
No, I am still right on this. The implication of how you stated your information is that if somebody where to walk in they would see more salaried/suits than not. That is not correct-- or maybe it's a different view over by the auto riveter...
Either way, you still need hr, engineers, leads, finance, etc. to run an aircraft facility. I can tell you from my experience that we are severely at a lack of engineers. Most of these "salary suckers" (as you put it) do alot more than simply operate a machine.
Well, let's see ... HR is now basically operated by the 800 number they gave us in Wichita, so why even have them, except to plan parties? Engineering is more and more being shifted to Textron's new facility in India, so how many do we really need on the ground here? Value stream leaders? WTF? If they need people to sit on their butts and push paper, we have a cardboard crew that comes in every day that can successfully fulfill that function. Or, better yet, team leads can easily fill that function. We still have accountants and finance suits, so why not use them to take care of time cards (numbers, after all). Customer service people, that's necessary in our line of work, but sales should all be consolidated in Wichita. Floor schedulers? Team leaders can easily change those idiot swim lanes as necessary. Value streamers and floor schedulers, and probably two-thirds of the materials handlers, coordinators, etc., above the level of team leaders -- to, say the value stream manager for that department, should either be driving rivets or taking a walk.
Cessna talks about wanting LEAN production, but leaves so much fat in the middle and top that it's impossible to achieve. They love to talk about the advantages of Mexico, but refuse to see things that could easily be done to make Wichita and Independence more competitive. I guess it's because too many high-value targets might have to look in the mirror.
Federal-State-Co unty

Parsons, KS

#11 Jul 6, 2011
Boys it all starts with the president of the United States. We should not encourage companies to do this. Lower taxes for corporations helps keep them in the U.S. The same with state and county. What company wants to come here to Indy and get raped on the taxes?
Yepper

Chanute, KS

#12 Jul 10, 2011
Federal-State-County wrote:
Boys it all starts with the president of the United States. We should not encourage companies to do this. Lower taxes for corporations helps keep them in the U.S. The same with state and county. What company wants to come here to Indy and get raped on the taxes?
Thats part of it anyhow...

Since: May 11

United States

#13 Jul 10, 2011
Did anyone talk to Scott Earnest? I'm just wondering what he said first hand.
red head

Wichita, KS

#14 Jul 20, 2011
There used to be a lady by the name of Diane in HR. Is she still there ?
red head

Wichita, KS

#15 Jul 20, 2011
downtownbrown wrote:
I know everyone in my area breathed a sigh of relief a couple of weeks ago when Cessna's biggest doucebags, J Newkirk, resigned and headed back to Arkansas. Guy was a moron of the biggest extent, obviously his mom kept him from getting laid off, cause that department lost to many good people for him to stay. We are glad to see him go.
What exactly was J N job out there ?
Momma V

Tonkawa, OK

#16 Jul 21, 2011
The truth wrote:
What you're seeing there is basically the office staff and salaried folks. No wonder the company can't make any money, way too many chiefs for very few Indians.
you are so wrong...there are more Non-salaried folks at Cessna.

Since: May 11

United States

#17 Jul 22, 2011
seems to be more questions than answers. Is any body else duelly noted??
lvr

Spring Hill, FL

#18 Aug 26, 2011
Bart F wrote:
seems to be more questions than answers. Is any body else duelly noted??
Bart, you just need to come back and straighten that place out!!!

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