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Northwest A333 over East China Sea on Jun 23rd 2009, unreliable airspeed

There are 83 comments on the AVHerald story from Jul 2, 2011, titled Northwest A333 over East China Sea on Jun 23rd 2009, unreliable airspeed. In it, AVHerald reports that:

The NTSB have released their final report concluding the probable cause of the incident was: Brief and temporary blockage of the pitot probes in cruise flight, most likely due to ice crystals aloft, leading to erroneous airspeed indications and airplane automation degradation as designed.

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not a fine wine

Hinesburg, VT

#1 Jul 2, 2011
Delta/Northwest Airlines are replacing the pitot tubes on all their A330 aircraft as quickly as possible.

Been a lot quicker if they hadn't canned so many mechanics.

Don't think delta had any A330 trained mechanics at the time. Wonder how they signed off the work?

Heard Minnesota closed down the government for going broke. Well when you sign deals with the likes of adersons/nwa, and they can the operation you lose a lot of money. Fifty years to the top, and what? It only took checchi and friends a little over 10 to put it all in their pockets. MAC ,and the state got swindled. Subsidies to the rich... taxpayers pick up the tab.
Moana Alot Moore

Round Rock, TX

#2 Jul 12, 2011
not a fine wine wrote:
Delta/Northwest Airlines are replacing the pitot tubes on all their A330 aircraft as quickly as possible.
Been a lot quicker if they hadn't canned so many mechanics.
Don't think delta had any A330 trained mechanics at the time. Wonder how they signed off the work?
Heard Minnesota closed down the government for going broke. Well when you sign deals with the likes of adersons/nwa, and they can the operation you lose a lot of money. Fifty years to the top, and what? It only took checchi and friends a little over 10 to put it all in their pockets. MAC ,and the state got swindled. Subsidies to the rich... taxpayers pick up the tab.
And then Pawlenty and Bachman tell us how they are pro jobs. What jobs? Realestate brokers and moving vans to Atlanta?

I saw all this plight comming to MN years ago. How can you destroy the MN iconic company and expect state tax revenues to continue as nothing happened?
not a fine wine

Hinesburg, VT

#3 Jul 13, 2011
Moana Alot Moore wrote:
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And then Pawlenty and Bachman tell us how they are pro jobs. What jobs? Realestate brokers and moving vans to Atlanta?
I saw all this plight comming to MN years ago. How can you destroy the MN iconic company and expect state tax revenues to continue as nothing happened?
They screw MN big time. And Pawlenty helped. Can't remember when I voted for a president I felt good about. With people like pawlenty running... don't think it will change in 2012. Bachman?? turn her over and drive. We ain't seen nothing yet. However, we're about to see pawlenty more.
Spade a Spade

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Jul 13, 2011
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>They screw MN big time. And Pawlenty helped. Can't remember when I voted for a president I felt good about. With people like pawlenty running... don't think it will change in 2012. Bachman?? turn her over and drive. We ain't seen nothing yet. However, we're about to see pawlenty more.
Pawlenty, Bachman ticket? A Democrats dream to assure Obama a second term.
Old Nwa Guy

Eastham, MA

#5 Jul 15, 2011
Spade a Spade wrote:
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Pawlenty, Bachman ticket? A Democrats dream to assure Obama a second term.
There you again Spade. Making statements about something you know nothing about. Better stick to ex.nwa where no one will every disagree with you.
AircraftMoron-Fu Assoc

Walnut, CA

#6 Jul 15, 2011
not a fine wine wrote:
Delta/Northwest Airlines are replacing the pitot tubes on all their A330 aircraft as quickly as possible.
Been a lot quicker if they hadn't canned so many mechanics.
Don't think delta had any A330 trained mechanics at the time. Wonder how they signed off the work?
Heard Minnesota closed down the government for going broke. Well when you sign deals with the likes of adersons/nwa, and they can the operation you lose a lot of money. Fifty years to the top, and what? It only took checchi and friends a little over 10 to put it all in their pockets. MAC ,and the state got swindled. Subsidies to the rich... taxpayers pick up the tab.
Not many "A330 trained AMFA mechanics". Just professional Delta mechanics. Got the job done just fine. Didn't need you then, don't need you now.
AircraftMoron-Fu Assoc

Walnut, CA

#7 Jul 15, 2011
Moana Alot Moore wrote:
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And then Pawlenty and Bachman tell us how they are pro jobs. What jobs? Realestate brokers and moving vans to Atlanta?
I saw all this plight comming to MN years ago. How can you destroy the MN iconic company and expect state tax revenues to continue as nothing happened?
Didn't get destroyed. People in Minnesota didn't appreciate what they had, and they lost it. Reminds of some mechanics that used to work for that "iconic company".
not a fine wine

Hinesburg, VT

#8 Jul 16, 2011
AircraftMoron-FuAssoc wrote:
<quoted text>Not many "A330 trained AMFA mechanics". Just professional Delta mechanics. Got the job done just fine. Didn't need you then, don't need you now.
Maybe so, but you could use better comprehension. Never said delta didn't have professional mechanics. However, You sure as hell didn't get any when you merged with nwa.

What you did get... is the executives, and the mechanics that are the reason for unions. Executives who can't run successful company without union negotiated work rules, and the mechanics who couldn't hold the job without The Department of labor enforced union protection. You see when corporate America lobbied/won to band professional unions, they saddled unions with having to represent labor who couldn't make the cut. You no longer have to work up to a professional standard set by the union. You only have to pay full dues. Corporate manufactured this anti union mindset that you now believe. You see... in the days of professional unions, it was very hard to negotiate pay cuts with labor that had no fault. Instead, when corporate F'd up, they had to lay off and work with less. Not so anymore is it? Now corporate uses the lack of professional standards to justify pay cuts for all. Very clever on their part. Sorry, but you got both of the bad elements when you merged with nwa.
Old NWA Guy

New Philadelphia, OH

#9 Jul 16, 2011
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe so, but you could use better comprehension. Never said delta didn't have professional mechanics. However, You sure as hell didn't get any when you merged with nwa.
What you did get... is the executives, and the mechanics that are the reason for unions. Executives who can't run successful company without union negotiated work rules, and the mechanics who couldn't hold the job without The Department of labor enforced union protection. You see when corporate America lobbied/won to band professional unions, they saddled unions with having to represent labor who couldn't make the cut. You no longer have to work up to a professional standard set by the union. You only have to pay full dues. Corporate manufactured this anti union mindset that you now believe. You see... in the days of professional unions, it was very hard to negotiate pay cuts with labor that had no fault. Instead, when corporate F'd up, they had to lay off and work with less. Not so anymore is it? Now corporate uses the lack of professional standards to justify pay cuts for all. Very clever on their part. Sorry, but you got both of the bad elements when you merged with nwa.
I believe that DL inherited quite a few professional mechanics with the merger. They just weren't AMFA members. For months after the AMFA walkout, the completion factor at NWA rose every month. How do explain that?
not a fine wine

Hinesburg, VT

#10 Jul 16, 2011
Old NWA Guy wrote:
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I believe that DL inherited quite a few professional mechanics with the merger. They just weren't AMFA members. For months after the AMFA walkout, the completion factor at NWA rose every month. How do explain that?
That's easy. Just make the paperwork go away. And once you've crossed the picket-line, where you gonna turn. Explanation 2... Why do you think nwa had the hometown FAA, Mr. Mark Lund, removed from nwa property. What did Mr. Lund have to gain? Explain that.
Spade a Spade

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Jul 16, 2011
AircraftMoron-FuAssoc wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't get destroyed. People in Minnesota didn't appreciate what they had, and they lost it. Reminds of some mechanics that used to work for that "iconic company".
Do you read what you write? I didn't think so. Your just plain ignorant of the fact that the State of Minnesota gave money to SCABAIR for facilities that also came with major tax breaks. I believe the people appreciated the airline.It wasn't the State that let the airline down it was the airline that let the State down.
Old NWA Guy

New Philadelphia, OH

#12 Jul 17, 2011
Spade a Spade wrote:
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Do you read what you write? I didn't think so. Your just plain ignorant of the fact that the State of Minnesota gave money to SCABAIR for facilities that also came with major tax breaks. I believe the people appreciated the airline.It wasn't the State that let the airline down it was the airline that let the State down.
More blah blah bla from a bitter ex employee, who really has zero idea of anything he talks about
ex-mech

Sussex, WI

#13 Jul 17, 2011
AircraftMoron-FuAssoc wrote:
<quoted text>Not many "A330 trained AMFA mechanics". Just professional Delta mechanics. Got the job done just fine. Didn't need you then, don't need you now.
AHHHH. I see now all of a sudden the happy Delta mechanics respect you. its always good to feel good. Good for you!
ex-mech

Sussex, WI

#14 Jul 17, 2011
AircraftMoron-FuAssoc wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't get destroyed. People in Minnesota didn't appreciate what they had, and they lost it. Reminds of some mechanics that used to work for that "iconic company".
Gee its been so long what was your old moniker, stupid at northwest and still stupid at delta.
ex-mech

Sussex, WI

#15 Jul 17, 2011
Moana Alot Moore wrote:
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And then Pawlenty and Bachman tell us how they are pro jobs. What jobs? Realestate brokers and moving vans to Atlanta?
I saw all this plight comming to MN years ago. How can you destroy the MN iconic company and expect state tax revenues to continue as nothing happened?
Ageed! is that you couz. im in chedland here, boy are there alot of packer fans here.l
Old NWA Guy

New Philadelphia, OH

#16 Jul 18, 2011
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>That's easy. Just make the paperwork go away. And once you've crossed the picket-line, where you gonna turn. Explanation 2... Why do you think nwa had the hometown FAA, Mr. Mark Lund, removed from nwa property. What did Mr. Lund have to gain? Explain that.
One situation has nothing to do with the other. So you can answer firat
not a fine wine

Hinesburg, VT

#17 Jul 18, 2011
Old NWA Guy wrote:
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One situation has nothing to do with the other. So you can answer firat
Shows what you know. Get the FAA off your back, and no one questions the paperwork. Remember Andy roberts, "Nwa can't afford to maintain their Aircraft any better than Greyhound maintains their bus". Can you tell me... who at delta came from Greyhound?
Old NWA Guy

New Philadelphia, OH

#18 Jul 18, 2011
not a fine wine wrote:
<quoted text>Shows what you know. Get the FAA off your back, and no one questions the paperwork. Remember Andy roberts, "Nwa can't afford to maintain their Aircraft any better than Greyhound maintains their bus". Can you tell me... who at delta came from Greyhound?
Is that your answer as to why NWA's completion rate improved when the malcontents walked out. Can' tell you which NWA employees came from Greyhound. Highly doubtful that Andy Robers ever said that.
Spade a Spade

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Jul 18, 2011
Old NWA Guy wrote:
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Is that your answer as to why NWA's completion rate improved when the malcontents walked out. Can' tell you which NWA employees came from Greyhound. Highly doubtful that Andy Robers ever said that.
At least were on the same page with "Andy Robers" name.
not a fine wine

Hinesburg, VT

#20 Jul 19, 2011
Old NWA Guy wrote:
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Is that your answer as to why NWA's completion rate improved when the malcontents walked out. Can' tell you which NWA employees came from Greyhound. Highly doubtful that Andy Robers ever said that.
Again, shows what you know. Hell yes andy said that. And everyone in the room said WTF... this guy is and idot. Turns out he was right, and everyone above him was an even bigger idot. The time has come when airlines can't find mechanics... From here on out it's only going get worse. Fly safe ong, it might be time to stay at home. The guy from Greyhound is DAL VP of maintenance steve gorman. While at greyhound they went BK too. And there was no walk out! They took our badges and sent us out the door! If nwa had only waited till 12:01... you would be right. But they didn't, and that was the game changer.

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