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Factbox: Cocktail of sedatives killed Jackson

There are 82 comments on the Calgary Herald story from Sep 6, 2009, titled Factbox: Cocktail of sedatives killed Jackson. In it, Calgary Herald reports that:

A bottle of the anaesthetic drug Propofol is pictured at Good Samaritan Hospital in Los Angeles July 31, 2009.

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nina

Ottawa, Canada

#23 Sep 8, 2009
Amber wrote:
........If it had not been Dr. Murray then there would be another doctor cause there are always crooked, money hungry people out there who will stop at nothing and MJ would have gone to the ends of the earth to find that doctor.
excellent summary

Yes, when a person is an addict, then nothing is going to stop them from getting what they want

especially when they are rich - and so have the means to get what they want
Yada

Johnson City, TN

#24 Sep 8, 2009
nina wrote:
<quoted text>
excellent summary
Yes, when a person is an addict, then nothing is going to stop them from getting what they want
especially when they are rich - and so have the means to get what they want
Well not quite true. You can stop people even MJ. Many people are stopped daily from continuing prescription drug habits. There are legal avenues to accomplish that which doctors and people use.

Had that been done by Murray, MJ would have been forced to try to get drugs off the streets and would have ended up in jail. Besides where MJ was afraid of paps he would have had to puke, sweat, other things and withdraw. So he probably would not have cruised Melrose, Rodeo or anywhere to get drugs.

But that's beside the real issue. The issue was that Murray has treated MJ since 02 for irregular heartbeats. That's why MJ wanted him on tour. But Murray failed to prescribe MJ basic medications for such a condition.

Instead he treated MJ with Valium, Versed, Restoril, Ambien, Sonata and shite, not approved for the cardiac condition. He eventually shot MJ up so full of Benzodiazepines and Propofol, he killed MJ. He was so callous that when he killed MJ he did not call 911 right away even though he knew he had six to ten minutes to save MJ's life, no.

Instead he called his lawyer, sister and boss; cranked up the heat to keep MJ's body warm longer, moved the body and sanitized the scene of MJ's death.

He knew how to make calls to try to extricate himself from blame of MJ's death but he was unable to call Mickey's and cut off MJ from controlled drugs by other doctors as MJ's personal doctor. Sure I believe that. I'm holding out for the full consequences for our boy Murray.

Since: Sep 09

UK

#25 Sep 8, 2009
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
Well not quite true. You can stop people even MJ. Many people are stopped daily from continuing prescription drug habits. There are legal avenues to accomplish that which doctors and people use.
Had that been done by Murray, MJ would have been forced to try to get drugs off the streets and would have ended up in jail. Besides where MJ was afraid of paps he would have had to puke, sweat, other things and withdraw. So he probably would not have cruised Melrose, Rodeo or anywhere to get drugs.
But that's beside the real issue. The issue was that Murray has treated MJ since 02 for irregular heartbeats. That's why MJ wanted him on tour. But Murray failed to prescribe MJ basic medications for such a condition.
Instead he treated MJ with Valium, Versed, Restoril, Ambien, Sonata and shite, not approved for the cardiac condition. He eventually shot MJ up so full of Benzodiazepines and Propofol, he killed MJ. He was so callous that when he killed MJ he did not call 911 right away even though he knew he had six to ten minutes to save MJ's life, no.
Instead he called his lawyer, sister and boss; cranked up the heat to keep MJ's body warm longer, moved the body and sanitized the scene of MJ's death.
He knew how to make calls to try to extricate himself from blame of MJ's death but he was unable to call Mickey's and cut off MJ from controlled drugs by other doctors as MJ's personal doctor. Sure I believe that. I'm holding out for the full consequences for our boy Murray.
Who gives a fXXX? He's dead.
MountainsideTrea tment 4U

Brazil

#26 Sep 8, 2009
It is true that a good doctor would not be bought with any amount of cash. However, let us step away from the issue surrounding Michael Jackson's death and try to save the living among us. There are many people out there that are not famous stars, but no-one seems to talk about them. Let us extend our hands to the living and see how we can help those that are taken into drug addiction and abuse. Let us do our part to encourage a broken heart that is so overwhelmed with certain situations that it seems drugs is the best way out. Only after walking in one's shoe can we fully understand the meaning of pain, darkness, suffering and struggles.Call 1-800-762-5433
mjwasafraud

United States

#27 Sep 8, 2009
Yup thank god he's dead. Yada what you posted is pure bull crap yet again. you are truely delusional. Quit the conspiracy crap that will never hold water since none of it based on reality. You're embarassing yourself. You clearly have no shame.
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#28 Sep 8, 2009
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
Well not quite true. You can stop people even MJ. Many people are stopped daily from continuing prescription drug habits. There are legal avenues to accomplish that which doctors and people use....
you can temporarily stop a drug addict - but there's nothing stopping a person like MJ or other rich celeb coming out of rehab and going right back to drugs

unless they want to stop the drugs, they aren't going to

Since: Sep 09

UK

#29 Sep 8, 2009
MountainsideTreatment 4U wrote:
It is true that a good doctor would not be bought with any amount of cash. However, let us step away from the issue surrounding Michael Jackson's death and try to save the living among us. There are many people out there that are not famous stars, but no-one seems to talk about them. Let us extend our hands to the living and see how we can help those that are taken into drug addiction and abuse. Let us do our part to encourage a broken heart that is so overwhelmed with certain situations that it seems drugs is the best way out. Only after walking in one's shoe can we fully understand the meaning of pain, darkness, suffering and struggles.Call 1-800-762-5433
I've not had my heart broken yet. I have however hurt the people I care about. Why? Drugs. They've destroyed my life and me. Once you are addicted to drugs there is no hope. They screw up your life and the person you used to be and without hope you have nothing.
Liga

Latvia

#30 Sep 9, 2009
BillyDaKid09 wrote:
<quoted text>That is taking the responsibility off of the addict. Addiction is a result of abusing a substance. The addict has a choice to continue using or seek help from variety of sources. Wacko chose to continue his addiction rather than get help through an established program. He wasn't trying to kick his addiction. He shopped doctors till he found one that would keep him supplied with drugs. He had the money and he had the time to get help but he didn't want help. You don't go looking for a private doctor who will give you what you want, you go to a rehab center and kick the addiction. Addiction is not an "irreversible process"..
We are getting nowhere if you don't get my point. Have you never been outside, in the real world? Addiction is exactly an irreversiable process. Just like the alcoholism. You can only stop it from getting worse, but you will always remain an addict. And I have never seen an addict who is admitting him being one, they live in their own world. The only thing we can do is to understand it and try to help.
And another thing. Michael Jackson didn't start using the drugs for fun. He was in pain and turned into an addict by using the painkillers. You really make me wonder - have YOU ever been in pain? I guess not....
Billy Bollocks

UK

#31 Sep 9, 2009
Liga wrote:
How did Michael Jackson find such a Quack to make him his doctor??! He fed him all those drugs with no hesitation? I mean, MJ was a millionaire, he could afford to hire anyone.
God, mea culpa, but i DO HATE Conrad.
Who cares. michael jackson was a child rapist and desreved what he got. The BIG pill.
London

UK

#32 Sep 9, 2009
But you must admit Billy, this threads funny as fcuk!

Liga, make your mind up lass. Blame it on the doctor. Blame it on his pain. Blame it on the good times. Blame it on the boogie (boogie boogie).

Don't get me wrong, MJ made some killer tunes (a long time ago), but I fail to see him as a victim or a martyr.

Btw, is this the least "rock 'n' roll" superstar overdose death ever? Could at least have choked on his vomit or summat.
Official Information

UK

#33 Sep 9, 2009
Billy Bollocks wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares. michael jackson was a child rapist and desreved what he got. The BIG pill.
liga is just jealous she cannot get the drugs he did
Liga

Latvia

#34 Sep 9, 2009
Let me see...UK? Of course!
Billy Bollocks

UK

#35 Sep 9, 2009
Official Information wrote:
<quoted text>liga is just jealous she cannot get the drugs he did
I hear michael jacksons doctor uses this forum to ply his excellent medication.
Think he goes by the name of..........
wackojackgothisk arma

Philadelphia, PA

#36 Sep 9, 2009
Liga

Silence! No creepy preteen is going to address me like that. I am 24, idiot

24 IDIOT. yes, Liga we already knew.
Billy Bollocks

UK

#37 Sep 9, 2009
Anyone got michael jacksons doctors email address?
Need some good meds now!
Im not a peedo like jackson so i should be ok.
KB50MJgotnopower nogame

Seattle, WA

#38 Sep 9, 2009
Billy Bollocks wrote:
Anyone got michael jacksons doctors email address?
Need some good meds now!
Im not a peedo like jackson so i should be ok.
Looks like some flunatics beat you to him. They are all wacked out of their illiterate minds. Can't you tell?
Yada

Johnson City, TN

#39 Sep 9, 2009
nina wrote:
<quoted text>
you can temporarily stop a drug addict - but there's nothing stopping a person like MJ or other rich celeb coming out of rehab and going right back to drugs
unless they want to stop the drugs, they aren't going to
That's true to a certain extent.

Now what you have to realize is that many people were never drug addicts or alcoholics. They were sober all their lives until something happened. FOr a lot of people like MJ, they are more vulnerable to the effects of opiates, see. People who already wrestle with self-esteem issues, inability to maintain their own moods, suffer anxiety and sleep disturbances are vulnerable people. You don't want to give them opiates at all, if avoidable.
Then if you have to give them the drugs you make them come back twice a week and give very limited amounts and do a taper.

MJ was vulnerable. Then he got burnt up on his scalp, face and neck. He had pain killers then but not in a well controlled way. Then he had multiple reconstructive surgeries to graft on skin and so forth. SO he had longterm use of opiates. His mental issues were not handled during those times and he depended on the opiates for mental wellness over time.

Then instead of a healthy taper, his particular doctor would become angry he was overusing his prescriptions and terminate treatment with the singer. So he went to another and on. By then he was in a shi-tload of trouble and most friends departed from him of the few he had. His family practically disowned him. He disappointed them for getting into drugs and legal problems. He used even more then to feel confident and optimistic. This alienation with drugs as his only support went on till he died.

What I'm saying is many times we are not sympathetic to people and just come down on them when they fail in some way. He did. But I have a certain sympathy as he was mentally disturbed and lacked the capacity to save himself. Others could have saved him but failed to for whatever reason.

He was easier to love when he was at his peak and a titan money machine for everybody in his sphere, including family. When he faltered and was very trying nobody would do the hard work of helping him till he could help himself. He was cut loose and spiralled away.

Have you done any work with drug addicts?
Tinkerbell

Rowland Heights, CA

#42 Sep 11, 2009
uncle_mike wrote:
i heard mike had his needle in something when he died not a needle in him , get it! hahahaha
that's about as funny as your bonnie prince wanting to be Camilla's bloody (literally) tampon.
MJ was no good

Philadelphia, PA

#44 Sep 11, 2009
Tinkerbell wrote:
<quoted text>
that's about as funny as your bonnie prince wanting to be Camilla's bloody (literally) tampon.
ignorant wigga
End the Hate

Pasadena, CA

#45 Sep 11, 2009
Yada wrote:
<quoted text>
That's true to a certain extent.
Now what you have to realize is that many people were never drug addicts or alcoholics. They were sober all their lives until something happened. FOr a lot of people like MJ, they are more vulnerable to the effects of opiates, see. People who already wrestle with self-esteem issues, inability to maintain their own moods, suffer anxiety and sleep disturbances are vulnerable people. You don't want to give them opiates at all, if avoidable.
Then if you have to give them the drugs you make them come back twice a week and give very limited amounts and do a taper.
MJ was vulnerable. Then he got burnt up on his scalp, face and neck. He had pain killers then but not in a well controlled way. Then he had multiple reconstructive surgeries to graft on skin and so forth. SO he had longterm use of opiates. His mental issues were not handled during those times and he depended on the opiates for mental wellness over time.
Then instead of a healthy taper, his particular doctor would become angry he was overusing his prescriptions and terminate treatment with the singer. So he went to another and on. By then he was in a shi-tload of trouble and most friends departed from him of the few he had. His family practically disowned him. He disappointed them for getting into drugs and legal problems. He used even more then to feel confident and optimistic. This alienation with drugs as his only support went on till he died.
What I'm saying is many times we are not sympathetic to people and just come down on them when they fail in some way. He did. But I have a certain sympathy as he was mentally disturbed and lacked the capacity to save himself. Others could have saved him but failed to for whatever reason.
He was easier to love when he was at his peak and a titan money machine for everybody in his sphere, including family. When he faltered and was very trying nobody would do the hard work of helping him till he could help himself. He was cut loose and spiralled away.
Have you done any work with drug addicts?
Excellent post. You made some very good points, as usual.

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