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El Cid Campeador

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#1 Sep 4, 2013
Tainos Were More Civilized than the Aztecs

Who were more brutal/savage? The Aztecs or the Conquistadores ...

Aztec atrocities, in my opinion, were much more severe than the Spanish atrocities. Because I hope to hear feedback from reasonable people,’The Aztec culture was bloodthirsty, obsessed with death and killing in a way that surpassed any other civilisation known to us in its cruelty and disregard for human life.

At the exhibition you can see the stone across which they bent the humans about to be sacrificed, sliced their breastbone open and tore the beating heart out to offer it to one of their insatiable blood-craving gods. There is also a funny looking vessel, with a carpet of little blobs on its surface, complete with a lid to keep the stench of human skins of the flayed victims of Aztec religious rituals. The surface is meant to look like human skin turned inside out. How artistic and in the best possible taste!

Their society was rigidly ordered and controlled. It was totalitarian and authoritarian in the most sublime matters and in the most trivial. It required human and blood sacrifice and its warriors were used almost exclusively for capturing humans for sacrifice.

It also prescribed to a minute detail what people were allowed to wear depending on which class they belonged to. OK, the last one may sound just like a typical feature of a feudal society with its rigid medieval hierarchy but believe me there is a difference. For the Aztecs, the only good death was a violent death and they believed that dying as a human sacrifice was one of the most ‘valuable’ deaths. Dying in childbirth was another one. Go figure. They also believed that sacrificing humans was essential to all existence. Their gods required blood and without it the sun, moon, earth and other bits would cease to exist. By the time of the Spanish Conquistadors this cosmology ‘required’ them to sacrifice 10,000 people a year in their main temple.

Sacrificial knife, Mixtec Aztec. Flint with turquoise mosaic handle. The British Museum, London. Photo © The British Museum, London

Now, if someone tells me that it was alright for Aztecs to kill 10,000 people,‘cos the poor dears believed that the sky will fall on their heads if they don’t, I would tell them that they have lost their marbles. To me it is a manifestation of a primitive and barbaric civilisation that was doomed. And if it wasn’t, I am glad it was exterminated. I do not agree with the Spanish Conquistadors and their methods any more than I’d agree with raiding for sacrificial victims but Aztec culture was demonic. I am glad I can see what the Aztec artists created and marvel at their talent and skill but I rejoice that they are in a museum.

I want to be able to condemn what I see as evil in their civilisation just as we criticise societies in our past and present. So in the West we have animal rights activists who would not allow us to wear fur coats but will admire a civilisation whose priests wore skins of their human victims until it rotted off their bodies (their heads too, yuck). Of course, to them it’s not the same, for we want to fiendishly protect our bodies from cold, or God forbid, adorn ourselves (how beastly!), whilst the Aztecs symbolise renewal and the preference for human skin was merely part of their spring festival (how quaint!).

Just like the masterpieces of da Vinci and Michelangelo do not suggest that the contemporary societies and their rulers were just and equally inspired in their expression, let’s not confuse the strange appeal of Aztec art with the inhuman nature of their society. I may be inspired by the Aztec art, but there my inspiration ends and so does my admiration for their culture and civilisation.

November 25th, 2002 |
http://www.samizdata.net/2002/11/aztecs-good-...

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#2 Sep 4, 2013
The Aztecs (Mexica) were an aberration. Their human sacrifice was out of control. Their cult of the war god Huitzlipochtli was sociopathic, like Roman and Medieval Christianity, like Islam.

Mexican civilizations generally practiced human sacrifice, but on a small scale. There was a struggle in Tula over sacrifice, one faction wanting it abolished. They were the followers of Quetzalcoatl, a god of wisdom and peace. Unfortunately they lost the civil war.

But this shows that the great value of Mesoamerican civilized cultures is not to be negated or obscured by the madness of the Aztec Empire, any more than we should forget about Europe because of Caligula, Nero, Torquemada and Hitler.

Keep in mind that the Semites notoriously practiced human sacrifice, often of children, during which they had blaring trumpets and pounding drums drown out the cries of the children being burned alive to propitiate Marduk or other deity. The Hebrews ended this practice, as related by the myth of Abraham being stopped by God from sacrificing Isaac. See... Abraham at first didn't think it strange to sacrifice his son... that's what Semites did.

Hindus burned widows in suti rituals. The Celts sacrificed humans in various ways, sometimes by throwing them headfirst into wells. The Romans killed many thousands in the Colisseum. I could list many cultures worldwide who have practiced human sacrifice.
Klaus666

Barrie, Canada

#3 Sep 4, 2013
My Spanish ancestors should have killed every singly filthy indian they encountered, in the new world.

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#5 Sep 4, 2013
They sure as hell look like savages to me.
See the Apocalypto flick?

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Humble, TX

#6 Sep 4, 2013
Who cares
Lopez

Perris, CA

#8 Sep 5, 2013
lol The Tainos were like the Golden Retrievers of the Ameridian warrior tribes.

They were easily enslaved and intimadated by the menacing look of the conquistadors,even so that they were forced into labor by the mere presence of the Spanish war dogs that were massive looking.

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The Spanish mindset was more sick, deranged and honorless.They introduced brutal genocide and employed machaviallian tactics as a means of warfare in this part of the globe as well as showing them what germ warfare was all about.
..And on top of that giving tribes a false form of christianity that Jesus would have never sanctioned.

The thing with the Aztecs/Mexica was the sacrificial system had a qouta of the numbers that the Gods asked of and many of those weren't captured during war many of them were from their own empire who gave themselves up voluntarily and were proably medically induced before surgery.
Lopez

Perris, CA

#9 Sep 5, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
They sure as hell look like savages to me.
See the Apocalypto flick?
They were savages but only during war.
Cortez in his Diary wrote that he had never fought a more fierce armies in his lifetime battles than of those of the Aztecs(Mexica) even more so then the French armies who he regarded his toughest challengers.

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#10 Sep 5, 2013
Civilized behavior is the threa-theme and by all historical accounts Tainos didn’t savagely rampage.

Taino meant "men of the good,"

The word Taino meant "men of the good," and from most indications the Tainos were good. Coupled to the lush and hospitable islands over a millennium and a half, the indigenous people of "La Taina" developed a culture where the human personality was gentle. Among the Taino at the time of contact, by all accounts, generosity and kindness were dominant values. Among the Taino peoples, as with most indigenous life ways, the physical culture was geared toward a sustainable interaction with the natural surroundings.

The Taino's culture has been designated as "primitive" by western scholarship, yet it prescribed a life way that strove to feed all the people, and a spirituality that respected in ceremony most of their main animal and food sources as well as the natural forces like climate, season and weather. The Taino lived respectfully in a bountiful place and so their nature was bountiful.

....Taino Indians: The Arawakan achievements included construction of ceremonial ballparks whose boundaries were marked by upright stone dolmens, development of a universal language, and creation of a complicated religious cosmology.
Taino culture was characterized by advanced political organization, elaborate ceremonial life, and well-developed art. Taino contacts undoubtedly extended to a wide region beyond that which they occupied.
http://www.fjcollazo.com/documents/TanioIndRp...

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#11 Sep 5, 2013
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Marcus Washington

Laredo, TX

#12 Sep 5, 2013
Lopez wrote:
lol The Tainos were like the Golden Retrievers of the Ameridian warrior tribes.
They were easily enslaved and intimadated by the menacing look of the conquistadors,even so that they were forced into labor by the mere presence of the Spanish war dogs that were massive looking.
__________
The Spanish mindset was more sick, deranged and honorless.They introduced brutal genocide and employed machaviallian tactics as a means of warfare in this part of the globe as well as showing them what germ warfare was all about.
..And on top of that giving tribes a false form of christianity that Jesus would have never sanctioned.
The thing with the Aztecs/Mexica was the sacrificial system had a qouta of the numbers that the Gods asked of and many of those weren't captured during war many of them were from their own empire who gave themselves up voluntarily and were proably medically induced before surgery.
LMBAO @ Goldern Retrievers. P.R. men and Mexican men are all Gay. Women hate them especially Sistaz.

Sinajuavi
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#13 Sep 5, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
They sure as hell look like savages to me.
See the Apocalypto flick?
That flick reflected Mel Gibson's racism and fanatic Catholicism more than historical reality. The Spanish as the saviors? LOL...

I have lived among the Mayan people and know that the Spanish were not their “saviors” in any way.

Apocalypto was vile propaganda which contributed to the popular tendency to minimize or justify the crimes of the Europeans in America. In reality, the Spanish were not less "savage" than anyone they encountered in America.

Sinajuavi
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#14 Sep 5, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
Civilized behavior is the threa-theme and by all historical accounts Tainos didn’t savagely rampage.
Taino meant "men of the good,"
The word Taino meant "men of the good," and from most indications the Tainos were good. Coupled to the lush and hospitable islands over a millennium and a half, the indigenous people of "La Taina" developed a culture where the human personality was gentle. Among the Taino at the time of contact, by all accounts, generosity and kindness were dominant values. Among the Taino peoples, as with most indigenous life ways, the physical culture was geared toward a sustainable interaction with the natural surroundings.
The Taino's culture has been designated as "primitive" by western scholarship, yet it prescribed a life way that strove to feed all the people, and a spirituality that respected in ceremony most of their main animal and food sources as well as the natural forces like climate, season and weather. The Taino lived respectfully in a bountiful place and so their nature was bountiful.
....Taino Indians: The Arawakan achievements included construction of ceremonial ballparks whose boundaries were marked by upright stone dolmens, development of a universal language, and creation of a complicated religious cosmology.
Taino culture was characterized by advanced political organization, elaborate ceremonial life, and well-developed art. Taino contacts undoubtedly extended to a wide region beyond that which they occupied.
http://www.fjcollazo.com/documents/TanioIndRp...
Schlolarship calls them “primitive”? That word is not even acceptable to use by anthropologists. It is unscientific.

Taíno civilization also has its roots in Mesoamerica. The presence of ball courts make this clear. Similar structures appear in SE USA, and also were due to Mexican influence.

Is this info posted to create a contrast with the cultures of Mesoamerica? Like they're violent rampagers, while the Taíno are “good”?

I suspect this reflects yet again your deep-rooted and unfortunately typical anti-Mexican racism.
Marcus Washington

Laredo, TX

#15 Sep 5, 2013
Spanish Conquistadoras (Yes they existed) loved brothaz.

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#16 Sep 5, 2013
Who is more evil? That would be white people of course. ROFL does anyone really truly question this?

Read up about agent orange in Taiwan, white phosphorus in Iraq, or depleted uranium in Iraq and Afghanistan. Name a group of people that can even come to those acts of evil.

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#17 Sep 5, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
They sure as hell look like savages to me.
See the Apocalypto flick?
ROFL for somebody named brainiac you sure say the dumbest things. Using a white-made movie in your argument?

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#18 Sep 5, 2013
I see triplets wrote:
Who is more evil? That would be white people of course. ROFL does anyone really truly question this?
Read up about agent orange in Taiwan, white phosphorus in Iraq, or depleted uranium in Iraq and Afghanistan. Name a group of people that can even come to those acts of evil.
That's easy. The Mughals slaughtered 80-100 million in India. The Mongols used biological warfare, infecting whole cities with the plague. Renegade Ngoni ravaged through Mozambique and Tanzania eating whole villages. The Mexica (Aztecs) conducted ongoing “flower wars” to take sacrificial victims from their neighbors.

None of these were white. Want more?

You're a racist. Shut up.

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#19 Sep 5, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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That's easy. The Mughals slaughtered 80-100 million in India. The Mongols used biological warfare, infecting whole cities with the plague. Renegade Ngoni ravaged through Mozambique and Tanzania eating whole villages. The Mexica (Aztecs) conducted ongoing “flower wars” to take sacrificial victims from their neighbors.
None of these were white. Want more?
You're a racist. Shut up.
Yeah I want more you racist illiterate fool. I asked for a certain group that had done more evil acts then whites. You could not find one so you name 3 completely different groups to match up white evil acts.

So the question remains. Name a group that has done more acts of evil than whites?

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#20 Sep 5, 2013
I see triplets wrote:
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Yeah I want more you racist illiterate fool. I asked for a certain group that had done more evil acts then whites. You could not find one so you name 3 completely different groups to match up white evil acts.
So the question remains. Name a group that has done more acts of evil than whites?
Your question is loaded... an indication of your low intellectual integrity.

Are “whites” a unified people? Why are they a category? It is not a legitimate category.

I clearly made the point that all humans are capable of infinite evil. Therefore obviously “whites” are not inherently more evil than others, others do the same thing.

If you want a category which can easily be demonstrated to have committed more mayhem than “whites”... that would be MUSLIMS.

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#21 Sep 5, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Your question is loaded... an indication of your low intellectual integrity.
Are “whites” a unified people? Why are they a category? It is not a legitimate category.
I clearly made the point that all humans are capable of infinite evil. Therefore obviously “whites” are not inherently more evil than others, others do the same thing.
If you want a category which can easily be demonstrated to have committed more mayhem than “whites”... that would be MUSLIMS.
That's what I thought. You can not name a group of people that has done more evil acts than whites. Whites are not a unified group but they are a group of people. Whites as a whole have done more evil acts than any other race of people.

Moreover, you fool, there are white muslims.

So the question stands, name a group that has done more evil acts than whites?

You can not can you? The question is loaded to your foolish ass because you can not answer it properly. I predict your next reply will be more dancing around the question.

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#22 Sep 5, 2013
White is a category. How is it not exactly?

"

The notion of "white people" or a "white race" as a large group of populations contrasting with non-white or "colored" originates in the 17th century. Pragmatic description of populations as "white" in reference to their skin color predates this notion and is found in Greco-Roman ethnography and other ancient sources"

http://ccs.infospace.com/ClickHandler.ashx...

ROFL what an idiot.

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