Nerdy Black Men Most Often Are Not Saviors Of The Black Community

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Whoa! It's that same B who blocked off her page because she couldn't handle what I have to say! Well, once again I'll admit she makes great points that I won't dispute but she sounds like she's a nerdblamer.

However, she has many illogical assumptions. While it's good that she mentions how Blue collar workers are more successful at starting business than educated blacks, how exactly does being a barber create more job opps for black people and help us progress? Where's our black Shigeru Miyamotos, Bill Gates, Michael Dell's, Donald Trumps, Lockheed Martin, and Verizon's at? These are all multi-billion dollar industries that offer more career opportunities and bring in more revenue than some one working 10-5 at a barbershop. I know that college isn't for everybody and it doesn't guarantee you a job and all, but these industries require serious knowledge, work, and determination to be successful and create an industry like that.
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Whoa! It's that same B who blocked off her page because she couldn't handle what I have to say! Well, once again I'll admit she makes great points that I won't dispute but she sounds like she's a nerdblamer.
However, she has many illogical assumptions. While it's good that she mentions how Blue collar workers are more successful at starting business than educated blacks, how exactly does being a barber create more job opps for black people and help us progress? Where's our black Shigeru Miyamotos, Bill Gates, Michael Dell's, Donald Trumps, Lockheed Martin, and Verizon's at? These are all multi-billion dollar industries that offer more career opportunities and bring in more revenue than some one working 10-5 at a barbershop. I know that college isn't for everybody and it doesn't guarantee you a job and all, but these industries require serious knowledge, work, and determination to be successful and create an industry like that.
I actually agree with her and with one of the people who responded to her(his name is constructive feedback). I actually do know HOW barbershops and beauty shops do provide career opportunities. My friends boyfriend cuts hair, and he's been able to move from barbershop to barbershop. He simply goes in and asks "Can I take some walk-ins?"--or something similar to that nature. And each time they've given him a chance. The same thing goes with most beauty shops. These shops are located in black areas, and for black folks like my friends husband, who aren't college educated, have little skills but know how to cut hair--these shops give these young men and woman a chance to bring in some income to their families. I've actually noticed this when I do go to mostly black areas, there are a lot of business run by black people, and the employees are black too. Though none of them really are wealthy, nor are some of these business something to brag about--at least if you look at it from a "community standpoint" it gives young men and women opportunities that they wouldn't get if they went into a white place and looked for a position.
On the same hand I believe that many of our educated brothers and sisters have the financial resources and the network to EASILY set up their own business--but they are not. Rather, they are working for whites, and putting their money and work into white communities. Rather than in helping their own.
What is the point of education, and money if it never goes back out to help the rest?
I think that is what Von's point is.
Donald Trump, Michael Dell, Bill Gates--well these are all white educated men, NOT black.
Black educated people DO however contribute as they can, monetarily, at least, and sometimes even by doing little speeches, mentoring, etc.
I think Von is being a little straight and narrow in that particular post. It isn't like educated black people are just sitting there doing nothing at all to *help*.
I am curious as to why when some blacks get their education, and their money, they put their money into white pockets, live in white areas, associate mainly with whites, and mock and look down on blacks in the hood? Is it to keep up with Jones, because we don't feel as if we can truly help, or is it because we just don't care?

Okay I ranted.

Anyway I think Von is just saying that nerdy BM as a whole aren't the saviors of the black community, if they're simply working for WM, and placing money in white's pockets.

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I actually agree with her and with one of the people who responded to her(his name is constructive feedback). I actually do know HOW barbershops and beauty shops do provide career opportunities. My friends boyfriend cuts hair, and he's been able to move from barbershop to barbershop. He simply goes in and asks "Can I take some walk-ins?"--or something similar to that nature. And each time they've given him a chance. The same thing goes with most beauty shops. These shops are located in black areas, and for black folks like my friends husband, who aren't college educated, have little skills but know how to cut hair--these shops give these young men and woman a chance to bring in some income to their families. I've actually noticed this when I do go to mostly black areas, there are a lot of business run by black people, and the employees are black too. Though none of them really are wealthy, nor are some of these business something to brag about--at least if you look at it from a "community standpoint" it gives young men and women opportunities that they wouldn't get if they went into a white place and looked for a position.
On the same hand I believe that many of our educated brothers and sisters have the financial resources and the network to EASILY set up their own business--but they are not. Rather, they are working for whites, and putting their money and work into white communities. Rather than in helping their own.
What is the point of education, and money if it never goes back out to help the rest?
I think that is what Von's point is.
Donald Trump, Michael Dell, Bill Gates--well these are all white educated men, NOT black.
Black educated people DO however contribute as they can, monetarily, at least, and sometimes even by doing little speeches, mentoring, etc.
I think Von is being a little straight and narrow in that particular post. It isn't like educated black people are just sitting there doing nothing at all to *help*.
I am curious as to why when some blacks get their education, and their money, they put their money into white pockets, live in white areas, associate mainly with whites, and mock and look down on blacks in the hood? Is it to keep up with Jones, because we don't feel as if we can truly help, or is it because we just don't care?
Okay I ranted.
Anyway I think Von is just saying that nerdy BM as a whole aren't the saviors of the black community, if they're simply working for WM, and placing money in white's pockets.
Well said.

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I actually agree with her and with one of the people who responded to her(his name is constructive feedback). I actually do know HOW barbershops and beauty shops do provide career opportunities. My friends boyfriend cuts hair, and he's been able to move from barbershop to barbershop. He simply goes in and asks "Can I take some walk-ins?"--or something similar to that nature. And each time they've given him a chance. The same thing goes with most beauty shops. These shops are located in black areas, and for black folks like my friends husband, who aren't college educated, have little skills but know how to cut hair--these shops give these young men and woman a chance to bring in some income to their families. I've actually noticed this when I do go to mostly black areas, there are a lot of business run by black people, and the employees are black too. Though none of them really are wealthy, nor are some of these business something to brag about--at least if you look at it from a "community standpoint" it gives young men and women opportunities that they wouldn't get if they went into a white place and looked for a position.
On the same hand I believe that many of our educated brothers and sisters have the financial resources and the network to EASILY set up their own business--but they are not. Rather, they are working for whites, and putting their money and work into white communities. Rather than in helping their own.
What is the point of education, and money if it never goes back out to help the rest?
I think that is what Von's point is.
Donald Trump, Michael Dell, Bill Gates--well these are all white educated men, NOT black.
Black educated people DO however contribute as they can, monetarily, at least, and sometimes even by doing little speeches, mentoring, etc.
I think Von is being a little straight and narrow in that particular post. It isn't like educated black people are just sitting there doing nothing at all to *help*.
I am curious as to why when some blacks get their education, and their money, they put their money into white pockets, live in white areas, associate mainly with whites, and mock and look down on blacks in the hood? Is it to keep up with Jones, because we don't feel as if we can truly help, or is it because we just don't care?
Okay I ranted.
Anyway I think Von is just saying that nerdy BM as a whole aren't the saviors of the black community, if they're simply working for WM, and placing money in white's pockets.
LOL Nice observation! You're definitely right that educated blacks tend to work for the white boy and give all their money to them rather than give back to the community and help create more job opportunities for blacks there. Although we have the rich and famous black celebs that are wealthy, they don't use their money to help create more jobs for the black community. These successful well off blacks look down on blacks in the hood probably because they made fun of them when they were young for valuing education or being white. I guess some of them also do it because they're not even trying to make something of their selves and try to help the black community.Tim John mad a good thread about how black celebs don't network with each other to create bigger business opportunities as they're caught up in their selfish individual ventures and that explains why we don't have our black Lockheed Martins, Verizons, and etc.
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LOL Nice observation! You're definitely right that educated blacks tend to work for the white boy and give all their money to them rather than give back to the community and help create more job opportunities for blacks there. Although we have the rich and famous black celebs that are wealthy, they don't use their money to help create more jobs for the black community. These successful well off blacks look down on blacks in the hood probably because they made fun of them when they were young for valuing education or being white. I guess some of them also do it because they're not even trying to make something of their selves and try to help the black community.Tim John mad a good thread about how black celebs don't network with each other to create bigger business opportunities as they're caught up in their selfish individual ventures and that explains why we don't have our black Lockheed Martins, Verizons, and etc.
Yes like Jay-Z for instance, him and Beyonce are sitting on so much money that he could potentially build a large business in his old hood(LOL) and hire many educated and uneducated black folks. BUt he does not. It's that type of selfishness that irks me about black people when they get money. Yes you should be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor, but what is the point of existence if it is not humanity and to help others? If you are blessed with the opportunity to get an education and get a decent job, why NOT use what you learned and what you have and extend it to help your community? If more educated, wealthy blacks did this, I do believe that as a whole we could definitely boost our communities. The issue is that in some ways it's a lot more difficult than it seems, and requires a TRULY selfless individual to do so.

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Yes like Jay-Z for instance, him and Beyonce are sitting on so much money that he could potentially build a large business in his old hood(LOL) and hire many educated and uneducated black folks. BUt he does not. It's that type of selfishness that irks me about black people when they get money. Yes you should be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor, but what is the point of existence if it is not humanity and to help others? If you are blessed with the opportunity to get an education and get a decent job, why NOT use what you learned and what you have and extend it to help your community? If more educated, wealthy blacks did this, I do believe that as a whole we could definitely boost our communities. The issue is that in some ways it's a lot more difficult than it seems, and requires a TRULY selfless individual to do so.
Exactly! It takes a great deal of open-mindedness and selflessness to help another business out and that's what these black celebs with their money should do with it. Jay-Z and B wouldn't be where they are at now if it wasn't for black people supporting them by buying their albums and yet they choose not to give back to the very community that helped them to be famous in the first place.(Wait a minute, Jay-Z is a sellout and part of the Boule and Illuminati which is why he's famous.LOL!) I feel it's my obligation to give back to the community who helped me to become successful unlike those greedy non-philandering celebs.

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Notice she said "Men" in her title, sounds like she has been rejected by one. It is cool though, I need to read the whole thing before I give my actual response...brb.

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A lot of people are too busy pulling each other down, when we do rise up, noone cares to think twice to help those that are still down there. I think its some type of revenge or something for being outcast, trying to do better, etc. What is messed up is that they don't even help those that are not pulling at all. Every man/woman for themselves.
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If more black people simply worked hard and became successful like these nerdy black men and black clebs instead of waiting for one of them to "give back" the black community would be better off. stop asking for people with money to give back get your own money! If more black people were focused on educating themselves most of our problems would solve themselves. u people talk about how they put money back into white pockets hello damn near every company in America is white a few rappers,actors, and college educated black men building shops here and there with the money they worked hard for won't do shit because the majority is still white owned! we need more blacks on point instead of asking the few who are to "give back"
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Whoa! It's that same B who blocked off her page because she couldn't handle what I have to say! Well, once again I'll admit she makes great points that I won't dispute but she sounds like she's a nerdblamer.
However, she has many illogical assumptions. While it's good that she mentions how Blue collar workers are more successful at starting business than educated blacks, how exactly does being a barber create more job opps for black people and help us progress? Where's our black Shigeru Miyamotos, Bill Gates, Michael Dell's, Donald Trumps, Lockheed Martin, and Verizon's at? These are all multi-billion dollar industries that offer more career opportunities and bring in more revenue than some one working 10-5 at a barbershop. I know that college isn't for everybody and it doesn't guarantee you a job and all, but these industries require serious knowledge, work, and determination to be successful and create an industry like that.
Black nerds rarely promote Black business or recycle Black dollars. I have never seen a Black owned computer repair shop or a Black owned PC networking firm hire Blacks in the inner cities who have an interest in technology. They do not even let them work for free. On the other hand I have seen Black owned barber shops hire Black men and Blacl women as long as they are certified by the state to cut hair. Black nerds are nowhere close to being saviors for the Black community, I wouldn't even consider them to be role models
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I don't want to generalize but I agree with her somewhat. Some nerds, not all, tend to be elitists so they want to go as far away from the community as possible. I've dated nerds and they will tell you that they don't want anything to do with that n***** or ghetto stuff. "Others" or non-nerds tend to stick closer to friends and family (many of us may mistake that as keeping it real).
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I don't want to generalize but I agree with her somewhat. Some nerds, not all, tend to be elitists so they want to go as far away from the community as possible. I've dated nerds and they will tell you that they don't want anything to do with that n***** or ghetto stuff. "Others" or non-nerds tend to stick closer to friends and family (many of us may mistake that as keeping it real).
I believe in using commonsense. I cannot stand a Black person who is an elitist, but I am not going to put myself in a position to be in an area where illegal drugs are being used. I am also not going to hang around where bullets are known to fly. I got a job to protect, and I like going home every day. However, I understand what you are saying.
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If more black people simply worked hard and became successful like these nerdy black men and black clebs instead of waiting for one of them to "give back" the black community would be better off. stop asking for people with money to give back get your own money! If more black people were focused on educating themselves most of our problems would solve themselves. u people talk about how they put money back into white pockets hello damn near every company in America is white a few rappers,actors, and college educated black men building shops here and there with the money they worked hard for won't do shit because the majority is still white owned! we need more blacks on point instead of asking the few who are to "give back"
You're such an idiot.

This is why I rarely associate with Black nerds or elitist. Hispanics are damn near shutting down the of Arizona because of new law. How were they able to do this? Well nerdy Black dweeb, it's because Hispanics stick together, and they rarely abandon their roots no matter how far up they move up the corporate ladder.
Once the average Black person obtains a college degree and some money, he or she gives the Black community the middle finger.

I gave the Black elitist the middle finger, and swore to God that I would never be one, because I do not want to be a traitor. I make around $40 an hour, and I refuse to associate myself with Black people who feel Blacks in the ghetto are low class, or pathetic. When I hear a Black person degrading Blacks who are in poverty, I feel like strangling that Black person, and we all know Black nerds are either obese or thin as a rail.

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I think what most are saying here are stereotypical views. You see one and you blame all. I know of many educated black men who work, give time to their community, participate in church, and just work hard in general to be the best that they can be. Everybody won't be a Donald Trump, or Bill Gates. It takes a unique individual to do what they do. They also came up in a time when, let's be honest, there were certain advantages given to them because of their pigmentation. In general, most everyone wants to do their best, so they work with what they were given. Times are changing and have been changing, so you will see more black men doing these things. Let's let go of these race centered debates though. They don't do anything but divide people.

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They sometimes abandon them because they were never accepted to begin with. Either they try to help those are still poor or they just continue on with their lives. Sometimes the second choise is easier.
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I think what most are saying here are stereotypical views. You see one and you blame all. I know of many educated black men who work, give time to their community, participate in church, and just work hard in general to be the best that they can be. Everybody won't be a Donald Trump, or Bill Gates. It takes a unique individual to do what they do. They also came up in a time when, let's be honest, there were certain advantages given to them because of their pigmentation. In general, most everyone wants to do their best, so they work with what they were given. Times are changing and have been changing, so you will see more black men doing these things. Let's let go of these race centered debates though. They don't do anything but divide people.
I was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles, and I went to a Black church in South Central Los Angeles. The Black elites at church did nothing but look down on me, and ridicule, and I barely hit my adolescence. I got tired of being degraded Black who felt they had a right to degrade me, so I told my parents I will either attend a White church or not attend church at all. When I went to the White church, the White adults were more loving, and exposed me to the better parts of the greater Los Angeles area and Orange County.

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I dunno I'm sorta on the fence with this one. I knew from the time I was in middle school that to be successful in America you have to be a hard-worker or be educated, or be an educated hard-worker.

I was always in advanced classes in high-school so I could graduate with college credit. There would be like 4 black people in my whole entire class. The black people who were in regular classes always got the impression that we thought we were "better than them".

It never made sense to me why someone would rather make fun and skip classes than to make something of themselves. I got a whole semester of college in high school which was FREE!

In the black community sometimes education or bettering yourself if equated with being uppity, or thinking you are better than someone. I truly don't understand that. I want to be successful one day and I know being educated and actually trying are stepping stones to becoming successful.I plan to give back. But, I will only give back to those who want to make something of themselves. I can look out my window right now and see the same black people hanging out and chilling everyday all day long.It makes me sick when some black people think everything is supposed to be handed to them and they don't have to work hard to get it.

Everyone has the opportunity to get out. Some people are truly holding themselves back.

Granted, some people are in special situations where getting out is hard, but the majority of the time if you work hard and try, getting out is not out of reach.It seems to be ingrained in some people's heads that poverty is all they will every know. That cycle needs to be broken, and can be broken.
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If more black people simply worked hard and became successful like these nerdy black men and black clebs instead of waiting for one of them to "give back" the black community would be better off. stop asking for people with money to give back get your own money! If more black people were focused on educating themselves most of our problems would solve themselves. u people talk about how they put money back into white pockets hello damn near every company in America is white a few rappers,actors, and college educated black men building shops here and there with the money they worked hard for won't do shit because the majority is still white owned! we need more blacks on point instead of asking the few who are to "give back"
I have to agree. We do need more black networking and businesses to create opportunities, but the majority of the time you have to make these opportunities by yourself.

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