Are Spaniards white ?

Since: May 10

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#201 Jan 30, 2013
Jahx wrote:
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You are wrong. Mathematically, 0% is nothing.
10% of Iberians have a considerable amount of Moorish DNA but the rest of Iberian population surely has some residual DNA in their veins.
They never sujugated and settled in the Northern regions from where strong resistance immediately started and finally ended in their expulsion.

BTW
Your extensively mixed DNA doesn't prevent you from proudly claiming blackness. Yet you mention DNA to disqualify others and deny them the same right you think you deserve. Why?
Chris

Springfield, NJ

#202 Jan 30, 2013
Jahx wrote:
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You are wrong. Mathematically, 0% is nothing.
10% of Iberians have a considerable amount of Moorish DNA but the rest of Iberian population surely has some residual DNA in their veins.
I love how you are trying to make the minuscular 10% to mean something when it doesn't but do not do the same thing with the nearly 15-50% Eurasian DNA North Africans and Northeast Africans carry. Wrong, 10% IS nothing, it's minuscular compared to the 90% who have absolutely NONE. That is why Iberians cluster generically with other Europeans and not Africans. As states North Africans and Northeast Africans carry more Eurasian admixture then that.

Since: May 10

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#203 Feb 1, 2013
cave crawlers wrote:
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I believe the dark ages ended in Europe and how the Spanish became a superpower was because of the Moors.
The Jews were very important as well.
john

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#204 Feb 5, 2013
dude, the basque country in the north of spain was never invaded by the moors and genetically they are one of the withest populations in europe.
juan

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#206 Feb 11, 2013
also, andalusia is not the most muslim region in spain, its the third one, because most of the moors where explelled to castilla and leon
Basque-Spaniards

Burgos, Spain

#207 Feb 25, 2013
Spaniards are white?? Yes.
And Muslims? The muslims were expelled by order of the catholic monarchs in 1492.
Is possible to two race to mix if they hate each other and furthermore having 8 centuries of holy war??.Impossible.
Spain in that time was very racist. The cry war in that times was "Go Santiago (the apostle) and close spain" or "Spain cristian or never be spain".
Why some spaniards has browner skin?? Because the south of spain is always sunny instead of the north that is colder.
When muslim come back to spain? In 1990.
Islam represents 1% of the spanish people.
What about spanish DNA?
North africans blood: 3%(Majority in the south)
European white blood:
-Caucasian: 4%
-Iberian: 4,5%
-Celtic/Germanic: 80%
-Jewish: 1,5%
-Balcanic: 7%
Basque-Spaniards

Burgos, Spain

#208 Feb 26, 2013
Basque-Spaniards wrote:
Spaniards are white?? Yes.
And Muslims? The muslims were expelled by order of the catholic monarchs in 1492.
Is possible to two race to mix if they hate each other and furthermore having 8 centuries of holy war??.Impossible.
Spain in that time was very racist. The cry war in that times was "Go Santiago (the apostle) and close spain" or "Spain cristian or never be spain".
Why some spaniards has browner skin?? Because the south of spain is always sunny instead of the north that is colder.
When muslim come back to spain? In 1990.
Islam represents 1% of the spanish people.
What about spanish DNA?
North africans blood: 3%(Majority in the south)
European white blood:
-Caucasian: 4%
-Iberian: 4,5%
-Celtic/Germanic: 80%
-Jewish: 1,5%
-Balcanic: 7%
Im not racist but is part of our history. The spanish DNA is correct Im not joking.

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#209 Feb 26, 2013
Basque-Spaniards wrote:
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Im not racist but is part of our history. The spanish DNA is correct Im not joking.
Americans think that anyone capable of getting easily tanned has black lineage.

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Since: Dec 11

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#210 Feb 26, 2013
Basque-Spaniards wrote:
Spaniards are white?? Yes.
And Muslims? The muslims were expelled by order of the catholic monarchs in 1492.
And do you think that seven hundred years of occupation there was no miscegenation? No Moor converted to Christianity? LOL

So ALL of them chose to leave their goods and belongings to risk their lives in unknown lands instead of just and purely accept Christian religion?
Basque-Spaniards wrote:
Is possible to two race to mix if they hate each other and furthermore having 8 centuries of holy war??.Impossible.
Christians admired Muslim culture and lived peacefully with each other alongside with Jewish community.

ARABS IN HISTORY - BERNARD LEWIS

"As early as the middle of the ninth century Alvaro, a
Christian of Cordoba, remarks with regret:

'Many of my co-religionists read the poetry and tales of the
Arabs, study the writings of Muhammadan theologians and
philosophers, not in order to refute them, but to learn how
to express themselves in Arabic with greater correctness and
elegance. Where can one find today a layman who reads the
Latin commentaries on the Holy Scriptures? Who among them
studies the Gospels, the Prophets, the Apostles? All the young
Christians noted for their gifts know only the language and
literature of the Arabs, read and study with zeal Arabic books,
building up great libraries of them at enormous cost and loudly
proclaiming everywhere that this literature is worthy of admiration.
Among thousands of us there is hardly one who can write a
passable Latin letter to a friend, but innumerable are those who
can express themselves in Arabic and compose poetry in that
language with greater art than the Arabs themselves."
Basque-Spaniards wrote:
Why some spaniards has browner skin?? Because the south of spain is always sunny instead of the north that is colder.
Do you think the dark skin of the Spanish people is only due to the environment? So why the Turks and Greeks - who live in the same longitude - are whiter than Spanish Europeans?

lol

You're emotionally taken by nationalist dreams and ignores all historical evidences...

It's pitiful.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#211 Feb 26, 2013
Darkjaemess wrote:
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And do you think that seven hundred years of occupation there was no miscegenation? No Moor converted to Christianity? LOL
So ALL of them chose to leave their goods and belongings to risk their lives in unknown lands instead of just and purely accept Christian religion?
<quoted text>
Christians admired Muslim culture and lived peacefully with each other alongside with Jewish community.
ARABS IN HISTORY - BERNARD LEWIS
"As early as the middle of the ninth century Alvaro, a
Christian of Cordoba, remarks with regret:
'Many of my co-religionists read the poetry and tales of the
Arabs, study the writings of Muhammadan theologians and
philosophers, not in order to refute them, but to learn how
to express themselves in Arabic with greater correctness and
elegance. Where can one find today a layman who reads the
Latin commentaries on the Holy Scriptures? Who among them
studies the Gospels, the Prophets, the Apostles? All the young
Christians noted for their gifts know only the language and
literature of the Arabs, read and study with zeal Arabic books,
building up great libraries of them at enormous cost and loudly
proclaiming everywhere that this literature is worthy of admiration.
Among thousands of us there is hardly one who can write a
passable Latin letter to a friend, but innumerable are those who
can express themselves in Arabic and compose poetry in that
language with greater art than the Arabs themselves."
<quoted text>
Do you think the dark skin of the Spanish people is only due to the environment? So why the Turks and Greeks - who live in the same longitude - are whiter than Spanish Europeans?
lol
You're emotionally taken by nationalist dreams and ignores all historical evidences...
It's pitiful.
Incorrect. Spaniard people aren't any darker then any other Europeans, nor do they have any more 'African' admixture then other Europeans. They are predominately of European admixture and have phenotypes that similar and found everyone else in Europe.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#212 Feb 26, 2013
The Moors did not leave much DNA behind them in Iberia, but that which they did leave had been analyzed and is primarily of typical coastal Berber type... Eurasian, in other words.

That is not surprising, since most of the Moors in Iberia were non-black Berbers, which in turn is not surprising since the Maghreb is proven to have been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#213 Feb 26, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
The Moors did not leave much DNA behind them in Iberia, but that which they did leave had been analyzed and is primarily of typical coastal Berber type... Eurasian, in other words.
That is not surprising, since most of the Moors in Iberia were non-black Berbers, which in turn is not surprising since the Maghreb is proven to have been predominantly Eurasian for 30,000 years.
Yup, you are corret. ;)

Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations
North African populations are distinct from sub-Saharan Africans based on cultural, linguistic, and phenotypic attributes; however, the time and the extent of genetic divergence between populations north and south of the Sahara remain poorly understood. Here, we interrogate the multilayered history of North Africa by characterizing the effect of hypothesized migrations from the Near East, Europe, and sub-Saharan Africa on current genetic diversity. We present dense, genome-wide SNP genotyping array data (730,000 sites) from seven North African populations, spanning from Egypt to Morocco. We identify a gradient of likely autochthonous Maghrebi ancestry that increases from east to west across northern Africa; this ancestry is likely derived from “back-to-Africa” gene flow more than 12,000 years ago (ya), prior to the Holocene. The indigenous North African ancestry is more frequent in populations with historical Berber ethnicity. In most North African populations we also see substantial shared ancestry with the Near East, and to a lesser extent sub-Saharan Africa and Europe. To estimate the time of migration from sub-Saharan populations into North Africa, we implement a maximum likelihood dating method based on the distribution of migrant tracts. In order to first identify migrant tracts, we assign local ancestry to haplotypes using a novel, principal component-based analysis of three ancestral populations. We estimate that a migration of western African origin into Morocco began about 40 generations ago (approximately 1,200 ya); a migration of individuals with Nilotic ancestry into Egypt occurred about 25 generations ago (approximately 750 ya). Our genomic data reveal an extraordinarily complex history of migrations, involving at least five ancestral populations, into North Africa.
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Ado...
Basque-Spaniards

Barcelona, Spain

#214 Feb 27, 2013
Darkjaemess wrote:
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And do you think that seven hundred years of occupation there was no miscegenation? No Moor converted to Christianity? LOL
So ALL of them chose to leave their goods and belongings to risk their lives in unknown lands instead of just and purely accept Christian religion?
<quoted text>
Christians admired Muslim culture and lived peacefully with each other alongside with Jewish community.
ARABS IN HISTORY - BERNARD LEWIS
"As early as the middle of the ninth century Alvaro, a
Christian of Cordoba, remarks with regret:
'Many of my co-religionists read the poetry and tales of the
Arabs, study the writings of Muhammadan theologians and
philosophers, not in order to refute them, but to learn how
to express themselves in Arabic with greater correctness and
elegance. Where can one find today a layman who reads the
Latin commentaries on the Holy Scriptures? Who among them
studies the Gospels, the Prophets, the Apostles? All the young
Christians noted for their gifts know only the language and
literature of the Arabs, read and study with zeal Arabic books,
building up great libraries of them at enormous cost and loudly
proclaiming everywhere that this literature is worthy of admiration.
Among thousands of us there is hardly one who can write a
passable Latin letter to a friend, but innumerable are those who
can express themselves in Arabic and compose poetry in that
language with greater art than the Arabs themselves."
<quoted text>
Do you think the dark skin of the Spanish people is only due to the environment? So why the Turks and Greeks - who live in the same longitude - are whiter than Spanish Europeans?
lol
You're emotionally taken by nationalist dreams and ignores all historical evidences...
It's pitiful.
There is no doubt that muslim culture enter in spain, of course, but we are talking about blood not culture.
Basque-Spaniards

Barcelona, Spain

#215 Feb 27, 2013
The muslim were expelled but they left part of their culture there.
The marriage between cristians and muslim were forbidden.
How muslim people could live in peace with 12 millions furious souls near their castles?

They entered in spain with an spanish divided army in 711. Later... was a nightmare for muslims.
And the reconquista started in 722 with the battle of covadonga with the 300 soldiers of Pelayo " the last survivor of the visigoth kingdom family".

Level 6

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#216 Feb 27, 2013
Basque-Spaniards wrote:
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There is no doubt that muslim culture enter in spain, of course, but we are talking about blood not culture.
You said that they hated each other. I proved you wrong. One step at time, son.
Spain-France-Ger many

Podgorica, Montenegro

#217 May 1, 2013
Nyarlathotep

Gilroy, CA

#218 May 1, 2013
The Iberians are, and have always been, white. The current inhabitants are not 'whit debil invadaz'. Now talk about the Malian Empire or Songhai for a change.
Spaniards

Toledo, Spain

#219 May 18, 2013
Yes we are white people morons!. It is a complete mystery for many Spaniards like me why some retarded non-white ignoramuses believe that we Spaniards aren't white... Then when some of these uneducated idiots have the opportunity to come to Spain they can't believe what they are seeing.. Hahahahahahaaaaa!... Poor ignorants...
Black Deal

United States

#220 May 18, 2013
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#222 May 18, 2013

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