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The Ancient Egyptian state had an indigenous African origin (latest studies)

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#1 Jan 3, 2014
The population history of the Nile (late Pleistocene to Dynastic time):

Below a nice recap of various archeological studies about the regional continuity of the Nile populations. It was taken from a study posted below.

The population history of the Nile has been of considerable recent interest and focuses on two competing hypotheses. The first suggests that the Egyptian dynasties developed in situ from the earlier Predynastic and Neolithic populations represented at sites such as el-Badari. The second scenario suggests that migration of people from western Asia led to the development of the Egyptian state (Petrie, 1920, 1939; Kantor, 1965).[b]In general, the archaeological evidence suggests that the Egyptian state had an indigenous origin[/b](Hassan, 1988). Two recent studies provide evidence for population dynamics in the Nile Valley throughout the Holocene. Zakrzewski (2007) demonstrates evidence for broad population continuity through time on the basis of craniometric variation, with some level of population movement . Several recent analyses of dental variation come to essentially the same conclusion (Irish, 2005, 2006; Schillaci et al., 2009). Thus, in the most general terms, there is strong evidence for population continuity along the Nile from the late Palaeolithic through the Egyptian Empire. However, the diffusion of agricultural technologies into the Nile from other regions, and the subsequent trade networks of the Egyptian empire, would have undoubtedly brought with it people and genes from other regions to varying extents through time and space.
Main points:

1 - In general, the archaeological evidence suggests that the Egyptian state had an indigenous origin
2 - Craniometry (and Dental variation) demonstrate broad population continuity through time on the basis of craniometric variation, with some level of population movement
3 -[b]Strong evidence for population continuity along the Nile from the late Palaeolithic through the Egyptian Empire with some level of population movement[/b]
4 - Trade networks of the Egyptian empire, would have undoubtedly brought with it people and genes from other regions to varying extents through time and space.

So the main point here for us, is the STRONG evidence for population continuity in the Nile region from the late Pleistocene through the Egyptian Empire.

Taken from this study: Body Size, Skeletal Biomechanics, Mobility and Habitual Activity from the Late Palaeolithic to the Mid-Dynastic Nile Valley.
Got it from here: www.pave.bioanth.cam.ac.uk/pdfs/033-Stock (2011HBTA)NileBiomechSize.pdf

The study by itself is also interesting as it analyses the consequences on the body of ancient specimens of the transition in the Nile from different lifestyles (hunting-gathering, pastoral, agriculture, etc).

We can also see it here:
http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w513/Amun...

Image from the study: Climate-Controlled Holocene Occupation in the Sahara: Motor of Africa's Evolution

From the image above you can see that the peopling of the Nile was the product of the populations in the A map, from inner Africa, from the South, which expanded in the Sahara and then went back along the Nile to settle down during the desertification of the Sahara (following the Green Sahara period) in search of greener pastures.
African AE

Brackenfell, South Africa

#2 Jan 3, 2014
Um....but at the time of the pyramids, the ancient Egyptians were multi-racial:
www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedmummiesegyptb...
Ramses 11 was a white red haired man:
www.documentingreality.com/f10/ramesses-ii-eg...
very white looking man builds the Spinx:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhhaf
This story that ancient Egypt at the time of the pyramids was black only, is a load of Afronazi cr*p!

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#3 Jan 5, 2014
African AE wrote:
Um....but at the time of the pyramids, the ancient Egyptians were multi-racial:
www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedmummiesegyptb...
Ramses 11 was a white red haired man:
www.documentingreality.com/f10/ramesses-ii-eg...
very white looking man builds the Spinx:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankhhaf
This story that ancient Egypt at the time of the pyramids was black only, is a load of Afronazi cr*p!
Read the study slowly. You will understand that you are wrong. The Ancient Egyptian had an indigenous African origin.

Ish Tov
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#4 Jan 5, 2014
Their origin was indigenous, and that is what I've read in multiple sources. I've never seen a legitimate academic source say that Egyptian civilization evolved in Upper Egypt among Eurasians. It was among Africans.

At the moment I'm reading about Nubia:

http://www.numibia.net/nubia/history.htm

Nubia had complex relations with Egypt throughout their history. After unification, the growing and rich Egyptian civilization also had complex relations with various Eurasians. Even in early times, Egyptian art shows Nubians to be of a darker color than Egyptians. Many take this to mean that over time Eurasians continued to arrive, always diluting the African proportion of Egypt.

This is not the whole picture, however. Nubians also were being absorbed into Egypt, often as mercenary soldiers. This occurred repeatedly over the millenia.

So the notion that Egypt even in the New Kingdom can be considered to be Eurasian, or “not black”, is false. While Eurasian people were being absorbed over nearly the entire history of Egyptian civilization, so were Nubians (by which we mean an assortment of ethnic groups, all Africans). And Nubia itself was over time repeatedly absorbing peoples from the south and from the desert.

So just as the original predynastic and Neolithic Egyptians had migrated into Upper Egypt from the south, so over the long history of both Nubia and Egypt, people were repeatedly migrating in from the south.

So, we can find light-colored Eurasian types in Egypt, especially Lower Egypt, throughout its long history, but the population of Egypt on the whole was more similar to African-Americans in the sense of being basically African but with Eurasian admixture.

Since many think the most important time to “claim” in Egypt's history is the point at which it became a “civilization”, and the time of coalescence before that, I re-emphasize that the base population of Egypt was African, with biological and cultural links to Nubia.

Also I am always pointing out, not that anyone listens, that Egypt today is not "non-black". People now have a stereotype of Egypt as being full of Arabs. Yet one sees people we would call "black" in Egypt. The old films of Euro archaeologists excavating ancient tombs show hired workers which are very often black. Visitors to Aswan find out that most people there appear to be "black". I personally can say that Egyptians I've met who were from Alexandria look like Mediterranean Eurasians, those from further south always look like they're part "black". Watching the news from Libya as Kadafi fell and refugees fled, I noticed that the tunisian refugees looked like Mediterraneans (Arabs/Berbers), while the Egyptian ones were of darker color and looked, again, like they were part "black"/African.

So even today, the descendants of the ancient black Egyptians are to be found in Egypt.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#5 Jan 5, 2014
AberdiTheOlodumare wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the study slowly. You will understand that you are wrong. The Ancient Egyptian had an indigenous African origin.
It probably did, but by the time the pyramids were being built, it was multi-racial. You must also remember, the Middle Eastern Eurasian Neolithic Farmers went into Egypt about 8000-4000BC! Skeletons found at a Neolithic site in Egypt shows the people were North Africans/Sub-Saharan mix:
www.britishmuseum.org/pdf/kobusiewicz.pdf
Sgt Koonbasher

London, UK

#6 Jan 6, 2014
that still does NOT mean "Negro" . why do american negroes think that all Africans are negroes? even today, tests prove that 99% of AA negroes don't even know where Africa is, or think it is a country full of magic negroes.
Sgt Koonbasher

London, UK

#7 Jan 6, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
Their origin was indigenous, and that is what I've read in multiple sources. I've never seen a legitimate academic source say that Egyptian civilization evolved in Upper Egypt among Eurasians. It was among Africans.
At the moment I'm reading about Nubia:
http://www.numibia.net/nubia/history.htm
Nubia had complex relations with Egypt throughout their history. After unification, the growing and rich Egyptian civilization also had complex relations with various Eurasians. Even in early times, Egyptian art shows Nubians to be of a darker color than Egyptians. Many take this to mean that over time Eurasians continued to arrive, always diluting the African proportion of Egypt.
This is not the whole picture, however. Nubians also were being absorbed into Egypt, often as mercenary soldiers. This occurred repeatedly over the millenia.
So the notion that Egypt even in the New Kingdom can be considered to be Eurasian, or “not black”, is false. While Eurasian people were being absorbed over nearly the entire history of Egyptian civilization, so were Nubians (by which we mean an assortment of ethnic groups, all Africans). And Nubia itself was over time repeatedly absorbing peoples from the south and from the desert.
So just as the original predynastic and Neolithic Egyptians had migrated into Upper Egypt from the south, so over the long history of both Nubia and Egypt, people were repeatedly migrating in from the south.
So, we can find light-colored Eurasian types in Egypt, especially Lower Egypt, throughout its long history, but the population of Egypt on the whole was more similar to African-Americans in the sense of being basically African but with Eurasian admixture.
Since many think the most important time to “claim” in Egypt's history is the point at which it became a “civilization”, and the time of coalescence before that, I re-emphasize that the base population of Egypt was African, with biological and cultural links to Nubia.
Also I am always pointing out, not that anyone listens, that Egypt today is not "non-black". People now have a stereotype of Egypt as being full of Arabs. Yet one sees people we would call "black" in Egypt. The old films of Euro archaeologists excavating ancient tombs show hired workers which are very often black. Visitors to Aswan find out that most people there appear to be "black". I personally can say that Egyptians I've met who were from Alexandria look like Mediterranean Eurasians, those from further south always look like they're part "black". Watching the news from Libya as Kadafi fell and refugees fled, I noticed that the tunisian refugees looked like Mediterraneans (Arabs/Berbers), while the Egyptian ones were of darker color and looked, again, like they were part "black"/African.
So even today, the descendants of the ancient black Egyptians are to be found in Egypt.
stop it, you'll encourage these people. they are totally convinced they are all "ainshun Gypshuns" and will NOT ever listen to facts. anyone who thinks that American slaves came from there, or that Egyptians invented space travel and light bulbs, is so stupid as not to really class as a human.

Ish Tov
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#8 Jan 6, 2014
Sgt Koonbasher wrote:
<quoted text>stop it, you'll encourage these people. they are totally convinced they are all "ainshun Gypshuns" and will NOT ever listen to facts. anyone who thinks that American slaves came from there, or that Egyptians invented space travel and light bulbs, is so stupid as not to really class as a human.
The facts are as I stated them.

You are irrelevant, your brain fogged by racism.

You are worthless in human terms.

Boy.
Sgt Koonbasher

London, UK

#9 Jan 6, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
The facts are as I stated them.
You are irrelevant, your brain fogged by racism.
You are worthless in human terms.
Boy.
I told you, telling darkies stuff like that makes them worse. next they'll be ooking how they went to mars in a peanut butter and cow-turd spaceship and "done builded" a pyramid.
General Cavebuster

Watkinsville, GA

#11 Jan 6, 2014
Sgt Koonbasher wrote:
<quoted text>I told you, telling darkies stuff like that makes them worse. next they'll be ooking how they went to mars in a peanut butter and cow-turd spaceship and "done builded" a pyramid.
Then shut the f*ck up and build a pyramid with your so-called hi IQ, you Urinal/Toilet colored goblin.
BigKnob

United States

#12 Jan 6, 2014
Sgt Koonbasher wrote:
<quoted text>I told you, telling darkies stuff like that makes them worse. next they'll be ooking how they went to mars in a peanut butter and cow-turd spaceship and "done builded" a pyramid.
the real question is why are you obsessed with what went on in no. africa & the nile valley,? There must be something on your mind like, when was the last time you saw a white apple tree, & is that normal or abnormal..........reduced pigmentation cant produce coloring matter, in fact its a form of albinism, that alone tells me that what ever color they were, white wasnt one of them, you have the genetic inability, to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & today, thats why obama's father could father a brown child with his white wife, but the new york ( white) mayor couldnt father a white child with his blk wife, the only way a bw can have a white child, is through albinism, see recessive genes will cause you to be a racist, plus one of natures freaks, because everything in nature has COLOR, thats what HUE means-color get it ? HU-MAN, color-being .......pinks days for you..........now go bust your ghost.
FUKANIG

Darlington, SC

#13 Jan 6, 2014
BigKnob wrote:
<quoted text> the real question is why are you obsessed with what went on in no. africa & the nile valley,? There must be something on your mind like, when was the last time you saw a white apple tree, & is that normal or abnormal..........reduced pigmentation cant produce coloring matter, in fact its a form of albinism, that alone tells me that what ever color they were, white wasnt one of them, you have the genetic inability, to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & today, thats why obama's father could father a brown child with his white wife, but the new york ( white) mayor couldnt father a white child with his blk wife, the only way a bw can have a white child, is through albinism, see recessive genes will cause you to be a racist, plus one of natures freaks, because everything in nature has COLOR, thats what HUE means-color get it ? HU-MAN, color-being .......pinks days for you..........now go bust your ghost.
BIGNOB. LMAO! What are you? 14?
BigKnob

United States

#14 Jan 7, 2014
FUKANIG wrote:
<quoted text>BIGNOB. LMAO! What are you? 14?
Can a lemon tree produce grapes? Can cats have rabbit kittens? So, no people who are, yellow, red, brown or black skinned anywhere in the world could have been white. Because caucasians have the genetic inability, to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & now today. So what you had was caucasian racial engineering, by hypotheically classifiying brown, black skinned people in Africa at that time as honorary, whites, or with this eurasian bullshit, By 18th century european scholars. And the Arabs in the north are not apart of the very early african history, they didnt arrive until 642AD. Not 642BC. Even the greeks were'nt there yet. so who was there?......

Ish Tov
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#15 Jan 7, 2014
Big Blob wrote:
<quoted text>Can a lemon tree produce grapes? Can cats have rabbit kittens? So, no people who are, yellow, red, brown or black skinned anywhere in the world could have been white. Because caucasians have the genetic inability, to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & now today. So what you had was caucasian racial engineering, by hypotheically classifiying brown, black skinned people in Africa at that time as honorary, whites, or with this eurasian bullshit, By 18th century european scholars. And the Arabs in the north are not apart of the very early african history, they didnt arrive until 642AD. Not 642BC. Even the greeks were'nt there yet. so who was there?......
More racist gibberish.

They were all there in prehistory. The Greeks, they were further north, but the population of Greece was European for 45,000 years. This is well proven. Arabs likewise were in Arabia for a long time. They are of type J2, which is Mideastern. They didn't come from anywhere else... just OOA to Mideast. Blacks in Arabia migrated in later.

The people who created the oldest known civilization, Vinca, in SE Europe, were Europeans, as were their descendants the Minoans.

Learn real science, boy, and lose the racist Afronazi nonsense.
Dr Bumthrust

UK

#16 Jan 8, 2014
BigKnob wrote:
<quoted text> the real question is why are you obsessed with what went on in no. africa & the nile valley,? There must be something on your mind like, when was the last time you saw a white apple tree, & is that normal or abnormal..........reduced pigmentation cant produce coloring matter, in fact its a form of albinism, that alone tells me that what ever color they were, white wasnt one of them, you have the genetic inability, to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & today, thats why obama's father could father a brown child with his white wife, but the new york ( white) mayor couldnt father a white child with his blk wife, the only way a bw can have a white child, is through albinism, see recessive genes will cause you to be a racist, plus one of natures freaks, because everything in nature has COLOR, thats what HUE means-color get it ? HU-MAN, color-being .......pinks days for you..........now go bust your ghost.
HUE is an English word,

the word HUMAN is from an old Latin word. used centuries before English was even a language'

But you claim the word HUMAN was a mixture of TWO English words that were not in use until centuries later?

and yet you get annoyed when we say you people are dumb.

next you'll be saying that everything in nature has bug rubber lips, a gorilla nose and is in jail.
BigKnob

United States

#17 Jan 8, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
More racist gibberish.
They were all there in prehistory. The Greeks, they were further north, but the population of Greece was European for 45,000 years. This is well proven. Arabs likewise were in Arabia for a long time. They are of type J2, which is Mideastern. They didn't come from anywhere else... just OOA to Mideast. Blacks in Arabia migrated in later.
The people who created the oldest known civilization, Vinca, in SE Europe, were Europeans, as were their descendants the Minoans.
Learn real science, boy, and lose the racist Afronazi nonsense.
more goebbel's history from you, huh? Im.talking about africa, not europe, greece is no concern of mine scholar. Thats not what I addressed, since europeans cant produce coloring matter then how in the hell are blackish-brown skinned people white in africa at that time, or anytime? research done by western scholars is untrust worthy, their proven lairs, they went over there and saw what they saw and said, there is noway that these people are capable of this level of achievement, "why" they were "dark skinned whites" whites have the genitic inability to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & now, and that alone makes that impossible, so they engaged in caucasian racial engineering, by hypotheically classifying brown/black skinned people in africa as white, at that time. Much like the lies you get/got in public schools about american history, & the founding fathers did they tell you the truth about them?......be honest........i know thats hard for you to do. With your version of nazi-history.........
Knobbishness alert

UK

#18 Jan 8, 2014
BigKnob wrote:
<quoted text> more goebbel's history from you, huh? Im.talking about africa, not europe, greece is no concern of mine scholar. Thats not what I addressed, since europeans cant produce coloring matter then how in the hell are blackish-brown skinned people white in africa at that time, or anytime? research done by western scholars is untrust worthy, their proven lairs, they went over there and saw what they saw and said, there is noway that these people are capable of this level of achievement, "why" they were "dark skinned whites" whites have the genitic inability to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & now, and that alone makes that impossible, so they engaged in caucasian racial engineering, by hypotheically classifying brown/black skinned people in africa as white, at that time. Much like the lies you get/got in public schools about american history, & the founding fathers did they tell you the truth about them?......be honest........i know thats hard for you to do. With your version of nazi-history.........
yes, no doubt your knob is bigger than your brain. that's why you talk a load of old COCK.
Knobbishness alert

UK

#19 Jan 8, 2014
FUKANIG wrote:
<quoted text>BIGNOB. LMAO! What are you? 14?
mentally about 7, don't forget the average negro IQ is about 70. That's Retarded to you and me.
BigKnob

United States

#20 Jan 8, 2014
Dr Bumthrust wrote:
<quoted text>
HUE is an English word,
the word HUMAN is from an old Latin word. used centuries before English was even a language'
But you claim the word HUMAN was a mixture of TWO English words that were not in use until centuries later?
and yet you get annoyed when we say you people are dumb.
next you'll be saying that everything in nature has bug rubber lips, a gorilla nose and is in jail.
Hue is color, that must make you colorless-beings feel insecure huh, I dont give a damn about what you think, your opinions wont make or break me, I dont need nobody's VALIDATION,.......as far lips are concerned I hear that lip injections & tanning is big business in youe part of town, my question is, why cant you produce coloring matter naturally, like everybody else or like nature does?.......

Ish Tov
Level 3

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#21 Jan 8, 2014
BigKnob wrote:
<quoted text> more goebbel's history from you, huh? Im.talking about africa, not europe, greece is no concern of mine scholar. Thats not what I addressed, since europeans cant produce coloring matter then how in the hell are blackish-brown skinned people white in africa at that time, or anytime? research done by western scholars is untrust worthy, their proven lairs, they went over there and saw what they saw and said, there is noway that these people are capable of this level of achievement, "why" they were "dark skinned whites" whites have the genitic inability to produce the various skin pigments seen around the world then & now, and that alone makes that impossible, so they engaged in caucasian racial engineering, by hypotheically classifying brown/black skinned people in africa as white, at that time. Much like the lies you get/got in public schools about american history, & the founding fathers did they tell you the truth about them?......be honest........i know thats hard for you to do. With your version of nazi-history.........
Right... all of academia is wrong, but you Afronazi semi-literaate babbing racist cult fools know better...

Yeah right.

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