Rae Dawn Chong on Oprah

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#168 Jul 27, 2013
Again not all biracial people are not like Ms. Chong(who is a self-hater) but the ones who have the biggest problems, have a black complex and wish they looked white, are some of the darker skin, more afrocentric looking biracial folks like Rae. She probably is also upset she is brown skin and look more black than anything else and that she isn't lighter and can play white or neutral roles like Jennifer Beal did. Though Halle is a darker skin biracial woman, movies execs thinks she is so beautiful that they will still cast her in any role. All Rae could get was a few bit parts playing black while black actresses at time like Whoopi Goldberg got way more and better roles than Chong did. Talk about being bitter!

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#169 Jul 27, 2013
vampiYAH stabB wrote:
<quoted text>Yolanda Adams is amazing, but when it comes to Gospel music, I gotta go with Lecresia Campbell. THOSE are some "PIPES"! Streisand's a heavy hitter too, no doubt!
And those of us in the know KNEW it wasn't Bobby that turned Whit out. I agree...if anyone turned anyone out, she turned Bob out! TRUTH! Hard truth but still TRUTH...
*chuckling*
I've never heard of Lecresia Campbell, but since we agree on just about everything, lol, you know I am going to check her out!

I was one of those who initially blamed Bobby. As others, I looked at the carefully crafted image of Whitney (by Clive Davis) and not the Newark Whitney. From people that knew her before she blew up and went to parties she attended, I found out the truth about her. I also felt sorry for Bobby watching that disaster of a show. He seemed to be trying so hard to have a family and do family things. She just wasn't interested. He was nice to people, she was rude. Whatcha going to do, lol. The truth always comes out.

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#170 Jul 27, 2013
Capree wrote:
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Thanks London, it sounds like jealousy and mulatto entitlement(not speaking of all mixed people,many are cool) to me. The Color Purple was Oprah's first acting where Rae Dawn had already had already had her mediocre acting career but even so unknown Oprah had gotten a much bigger part than Rae. Oprah's star took off and soared! While Rae's continue to fall. There are many decent BK/Whte biracial people who prefer to be identified as black or just exactly what they are and all that's fine but then there are a few biracial people with the slave mentality that because they are mixed they are better and entitled to more then the ordinary black people are because they have white or some other nonblack blood in them. For Rae to take it back to slavery days that Oprah would be field while she would be a house N is really sad in this day & age. Sorry to break it to you Rae Dawn but your dark azz probably couldn't have been a house N either because the most Massas and their Mrs. preferred very light skin mulattoes, Octoroons and Quadroons house Ns like Vin Diesel and Mariah Carey.
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#171 Jul 27, 2013
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Switching topics from the original title of a thread is embedded to topix and any other message board. Hence your comments about WH in the first place. Do you see WH's name in the title? But making things "personal" for absolutely no reason is odd.
Sorry to intrude. However it was me who brought up the topic of Whitney. We were/are engaged on an ongoing discussion. Hope that clears things up for you.
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#172 Jul 27, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry to intrude. However it was me who brought up the topic of Whitney. We were/are engaged on an ongoing discussion. Hope that clears things up for you.
Not really in intrusion. This is a public forum..so, no worries. I, however, never mentioned who brought up WH. I actually followed the conversation and knew it was you. Just pointing out to vamp, that often time discussions move away from its origins. This happens in real dialogue as well.
London

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#173 Jul 27, 2013
The purpose of the show BBB was probably to impart sympathy for him..even though he was the one bringing attention to his family through his personal antics. Most of those antics did not include WH.however she was there by his side making of a fool of herself in the process to help him clean up.

WH is on camera telling the world, she did NOT want to do the show. She wasn't in a good place and by then everyone heard the rumors of her and his drug use. So the first thing out of any right thinking woman's mind if she wants to discuss the show, would probably be why in the world would a "husband" expose his wife like that..in probably her lowest point in life? In fact, it was she who refused to do another contract for the show.

And why call the show the name he chose?? Again, what was so difficult about the life he chose? With a woman who was a much bigger talent than he?

As far as the image Clive put out of WH..well, that's what the business did for all who were set for stardom in those days. And praise to them for it..as artists now don't get that kind of care and any blind man can see what a mockery of an industry we have nowadays. She was a class act in mind, body and spirit. You can't simply act your way to that. However, that doesn't mean perfection.

It's a shame how many bw are so eager to disparage the name of another sista just so they can align with someone who wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire.

Lots of bw are simply dumb as a box of rocks..and jealous beyond anything this world has ever seen.

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#174 Jul 27, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Yes the whole tone of her attacks on Oprah is surprising.
I agree.

I am surprised that anyone that wants to keep working in Hollywood, would be coming out with the house vs field argument, which sounds so ignorant.

I hadn't even heard about this controversy before now. SMDH at the stupidity!
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#175 Jul 27, 2013
Capree wrote:
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Thanks London, it sounds like jealousy and mulatto entitlement(not speaking of all mixed people,many are cool) to me. The Color Purple was Oprah's first acting where Rae Dawn had already had already had her mediocre acting career but even so unknown Oprah had gotten a much bigger part than Rae. Oprah's star took off and soared! While Rae's continue to fall. There are many decent BK/Whte biracial people who prefer to be identified as black or just exactly what they are and all that's fine but then there are a few biracial people with the slave mentality that because they are mixed they are better and entitled to more then the ordinary black people are because they have white or some other nonblack blood in them. For Rae to take it back to slavery days that Oprah would be field while she would be a house N is really sad in this day & age. Sorry to break it to you Rae Dawn but your dark azz probably couldn't have been a house N either because the most Massas and their Mrs. preferred very light skin mulattoes, Octoroons and Quadroons house Ns like Vin Diesel and Mariah Carey.
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Your welcome Capree. Do you have any thoughts as to why so many bw are so damn dumb and quick to align with any bm against another bw?

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#176 Jul 27, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>I've never heard of Lecresia Campbell, but since we agree on just about everything, lol, you know I am going to check her out!
I was one of those who initially blamed Bobby. As others, I looked at the carefully crafted image of Whitney (by Clive Davis) and not the Newark Whitney. From people that knew her before she blew up and went to parties she attended, I found out the truth about her. I also felt sorry for Bobby watching that disaster of a show. He seemed to be trying so hard to have a family and do family things. She just wasn't interested. He was nice to people, she was rude. Whatcha going to do, lol. The truth always comes out.
*chuckling*

Yeah, there seems to be a divide between "Clive Whitney" & "Newark Whitney"...LOLOL!!! I think folk just needed someone to blame for Whit's decline and it was just easy to place it on Bob. Her and Bob had already been separated for some time prior to her departure and they STILL blamed Bobby for a lot of Whit's struggles. Even with some of the things that transpired at her funeral, it was clear that there was a lot of ill vibes that existed toward Bob.

Here's some Lecresia Campbell...

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#177 Jul 27, 2013
Well, since you KNOW it's commonplace that discussions/ dialogue have the tendency to swerve away temporarily from immediate topic to deal with other variables regarding the subject matter, why make a big idea when others do it?

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#178 Jul 27, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>PREACH GIRL!
Thanks for the support Sunobia!

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#179 Jul 27, 2013
London wrote:
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Your welcome Capree. Do you have any thoughts as to why so many bw are so damn dumb and quick to align with any bm against another bw?
I hate to say it but I feel this comes from years of conditioning coming from the AA community and black men themselves who borrowed the white Willie Lynch theory that was once used on them and bw during slavery, black men started using Willie Lynch on black women after slavery in order to keep us separated, from bw having unity other by keeping us hating or at odds with each other. Sneaky black men large from the white man to cause separate a group by skin color and to treat 1/2 of the group superior to the other. Notice black men did just the opposite of W.Lynch amongst themselves and stuck together with the Bros before Hoes attitude and if any black men were treated inferior, picked on or effeminized, it were light skin or biracial black men.

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#180 Jul 28, 2013
London wrote:
The purpose of the show BBB was probably to impart sympathy for him..even though he was the one bringing attention to his family through his personal antics. Most of those antics did not include WH.however she was there by his side making of a fool of herself in the process to help him clean up.
WH is on camera telling the world, she did NOT want to do the show. She wasn't in a good place and by then everyone heard the rumors of her and his drug use. So the first thing out of any right thinking woman's mind if she wants to discuss the show, would probably be why in the world would a "husband" expose his wife like that..in probably her lowest point in life? In fact, it was she who refused to do another contract for the show.
And why call the show the name he chose?? Again, what was so difficult about the life he chose? With a woman who was a much bigger talent than he?
As far as the image Clive put out of WH..well, that's what the business did for all who were set for stardom in those days. And praise to them for it..as artists now don't get that kind of care and any blind man can see what a mockery of an industry we have nowadays. She was a class act in mind, body and spirit. You can't simply act your way to that. However, that doesn't mean perfection.
It's a shame how many bw are so eager to disparage the name of another sista just so they can align with someone who wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire.
Lots of bw are simply dumb as a box of rocks..and jealous beyond anything this world has ever seen.
I don't think anyone is disparaging Whitney. We all (well most of us) what a awesome talent she was. We also realized that she was raised by her mother to behave in a certain manner, with respect for herself and class. However, like all children held to a strict standard, she rebelled and wanted to be "down" like the rest of her peeps, her age, in Newark, at that time. That much is true and she stated it herself. All stars have their public persona and then there's their true self that only family and close friends see.

As for Bobby, maybe they were alike or maybe they were polar opposites, but they were attracted to each other. A lot of people didn't think they fit, based on Whitney's public persona, obviously we were wrong. My personal opinion is like so many other couples, they weren't good for each other. Perhaps they brought out the worst in each other.

I didn't care for that show and the crudeness of it, but that's just me. I agree with your assessment that Whitney was the draw, not Bobby (he knew this)and that he may have resented his wife's higher profile and of course money and wanted something for himself and in that respect, he did use her when she obviously shouldn't have been exposed like she was.

As for Clive molding her, of course he did because he wanted her to stand out in the music industry. Motown did the same for their performers to draw the cross-over customers. There is a story of Whitney using the "F" word and Clive telling her, that Madonna could get away with using it, but Ms. Houston, could not.

No one is hating on Whitney, we're simply telling it like it is. The truth eventually comes out and it was Whitney's mother and brother's interview that brought this topic to light and it was her brothers statements about him introducing her to drugs, not Bobby is what was being discussed. There was no "Sista" dissing.

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#181 Jul 28, 2013
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Thanks for the support Sunobia!
You're welcome! That post was awesome and on point.

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#182 Jul 28, 2013
vampiYAH stabB wrote:
<quoted text>*chuckling*
Yeah, there seems to be a divide between "Clive Whitney" & "Newark Whitney"...LOLOL!!! I think folk just needed someone to blame for Whit's decline and it was just easy to place it on Bob. Her and Bob had already been separated for some time prior to her departure and they STILL blamed Bobby for a lot of Whit's struggles. Even with some of the things that transpired at her funeral, it was clear that there was a lot of ill vibes that existed toward Bob.
Here's some Lecresia Campbell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kSdRjh1O3XcXX
I checked her out and was blown away! Yeah, I have to agree with your assessment on the Whitney and Bobby disaster. Plenty of blame to go around but ultimately, Whitney made her own decisions and was her own worst enemy.

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#184 Jul 28, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>I checked her out and was blown away! Yeah, I have to agree with your assessment on the Whitney and Bobby disaster. Plenty of blame to go around but ultimately, Whitney made her own decisions and was her own worst enemy.
Yep...as we all are (our own worst enemy).

L. Campbell is som'm else, huh? Her genre is Gospel music but she brings this Opera vibe to her that makes he so unique. I've NEVER heard anything like her.
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#185 Jul 28, 2013
Capree wrote:
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I hate to say it but I feel this comes from years of conditioning coming from the AA community and black men themselves who borrowed the white Willie Lynch theory that was once used on them and bw during slavery, black men started using Willie Lynch on black women after slavery in order to keep us separated, from bw having unity other by keeping us hating or at odds with each other. Sneaky black men large from the white man to cause separate a group by skin color and to treat 1/2 of the group superior to the other. Notice black men did just the opposite of W.Lynch amongst themselves and stuck together with the Bros before Hoes attitude and if any black men were treated inferior, picked on or effeminized, it were light skin or biracial black men.
I never thought of the purposefulness of it all. Especially the Willie lynch thing they speak of a lot. Smh. And its sad how it works flawlesslyÂ…how a "black" woman will go all out of her way to align with any black man over another black woman..to the point of attacking if she had to and he sits back or disappears altogether. I never wanted to admit it but a great number of bw are simply dumb. Thanks for your answer Capree. So glad bw like you, It Is I and Proud post here. You guys are sharp. Have a good day!
London

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#186 Jul 28, 2013
vampiYAH stabB wrote:
Well, since you KNOW it's commonplace that discussions/ dialogue have the tendency to swerve away temporarily from immediate topic to deal with other variables regarding the subject matter, why make a big idea when others do it?
smh
In our "discussion " you were the one who brought up the title of the thread and said we weren't discussing the topic anymore...as if topics don't go off the rail all the time. Its commonplace for that to happen.
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#187 Jul 28, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think anyone is disparaging Whitney.
To me, reducing her awesome talent down to drug use, is in fact, disparagement. Especially when MJ is allowed victimization for the same problem.
Sunobia wrote:
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We all (well most of us) what a awesome talent she was. We also realized that she was raised by her mother to behave in a certain manner, with respect for herself and class.
She was absolutely raised to have respect for herself. She had a loving mother and father and she also grew up with an ultra classy and famous cousin. To imply she had the typical Newark poverty stricken black upbringing when her own mother sung for Elvis is wrong. She was not hood. She grew up extremely privileged.
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However, like all children held to a strict standard, she rebelled and wanted to be "down" like the rest of her peeps, her age, in Newark, at that time.
All children don't rebel, so using that word is very much a stretch.

She couldn't have rebelled too much beyond the norms because she received her record deal and modeling deals at an extremely young age and she was very bright eyed, extremely innocent nature in her interviews, she wa also adorable and pleasant.

I do agree that at some point, she wanted to be down..and this is actually the point I was making with vamp..in discussing the similarities between she and mj on this subject and how it ties back to race.
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That much is true and she stated it herself. All stars have their public persona and then there's their true self that only family and close friends see.
That's not just a star thing.. Most people in general have the good sense to adapt to their surrounding. However when speaking of public image, one must still have a place to pull from in order to be believed. She showed class because she was in fact classy. This didn't change until the drug use.
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As for Bobby, maybe they were alike or maybe they were polar opposites, but they were attracted to each other. A lot of people didn't think they fit, based on Whitney's public persona, obviously we were wrong.
Generally speaking, the public wasn't wrong. Hence the violence reported in their marriage and the maltreatment. She spoke of this with Oprah. They weren't a match at all.
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#188 Jul 28, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
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My personal opinion is like so many other couples, they weren't good for each other. Perhaps they brought out the worst in each other.
I didn't care for that show and the crudeness of it, but that's just me. I agree with your assessment that Whitney was the draw, not Bobby (he knew this)and that he may have resented his wife's higher profile and of course money and wanted something for himself and in that respect, he did use her when she obviously shouldn't have been exposed like she was.
I've heard he was also producer of the show or had a lot of input on what was shown. If that's true, it makes the whole thing even more sick.

Sunobia wrote:
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As for Clive molding her, of course he did because he wanted her to stand out in the music industry. Motown did the same for their performers to draw the cross-over customers. There is a story of Whitney using the "F" word and Clive telling her, that Madonna could get away with using it, but Ms. Houston, could not.
No one is hating on Whitney, we're simply telling it like it is. The truth eventually comes out and it was Whitney's mother and brother's interview that brought this topic to light and it was her brothers statements about him introducing her to drugs, not Bobby is what was being discussed. There was no "Sista" dissing.
Telling it like it is is often just an opinion. The truth eventually comes out? What truth was there to hide? Her brother claiming he gave WH drugs still doesn't erase the fact that her "husband" put the spotlight on his family at a time when they weren't doing so good. To imply he was this upstanding citizen, ignoring all of antics..including police chases while married to her is unbelievable.

But regardless, the discussion I was having with vamp wasn't about assigning blame. I was discussing the race component which I believe dictated her baffling choices. But he did a great job of getting off that subject.

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