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Amelia DUBSTEP Xstasy

Castle Rock, CO

#5 Mar 25, 2013
I totally agree with this. 3 strikes, you're DEAD! But it depends on the cause for the felony. If it's for murder, rape, child molestation, anything along those hanenous lines, then electrify their arses.
Truthism

United States

#7 Apr 7, 2013
Depends on the specific crime concerning "felony."

Violent criminals proven to be so by DNA and/or video, I'd wish we had an island we could ship them to and let them live the rest of their existence around the other violent thugs, all in seclusion from the rest of the world.

As for rehabilitating other criminals for their non-violent crimes, these prisons suck big time. They don't train them for work so they can do something when they get out; they don't discipline the prisoners like military style (as it should be), so as to keep them in line.

How come I can think of these very simple things which would help immensely, yet they can't? Or should I say "don't?" Because they CAN, they simply choose not to... because REPEAT offenders make them MONEY!

ALWAYS be skeptical of things when you see such continuance of illogical actions on the behalf of governments. They're out to make MONEY!$$$! Yes! They make hundreds of millions of dollars a year in court fees, bail, seizing assets for petty crimes (growing marijuana), lawyers, judges... ALLLLLLL of these things are connected to them.

I think peoples' jaws would hit the floor if they truly saw how much the criminal elite are playing everyone like the silly puppets they are.

Really, really sad.

I'm one of the very few, it seems, to realize and see this so clearly.
Truthism

United States

#9 Apr 8, 2013
Jethro Bodine Genius wrote:
I kind of see your point, but I still think a lot of career criminals are not able to be rehabilitated.
A lot can, especially if they're disciplined after their first crime; you simply have not seen statistics on people who go through good programs of training and military-style discipline, so you're only going by statistics of 'career criminals' who've simply been put away in cells to let themselves think about all the other crimes they'll commit when they get out.

They are let alone in their cells for hours, thinking like a criminal still. HOW is that going to help society when he/she gets out?

It's not. The criminal elite know this. They want to continue this; it makes them MONEY!

This would be similar to seeing your dog attack you once, you simply lock him away; let him out over time, he attacks you again; you lock him up again... then let him out and he attacks you again...

Gee, why didn't the owner ever think to DISCIPLINE the dog so it'd not attack him again?

Letting it sit in a cage will not change its MIND!

The mind is where a criminal begins, not the body. The body is simply where the crime is therefore carried out after the MIND has chosen to step over that line.

These "correctional" (lol nope!) institutes are not attempting to help change these prisoners' minds much at all, exceptions aside (there are some, I've seen on Lock Up... but way too few).

These criminal elite in governmen want it this way, again, because it makes them hundreds of millions to BILLIONS over decade alone.

The criminal elite make money off of many things, people'd be shocked. They look at everything like a business, including the SUFFERING and DEATHS of people ("medical" and pharmaceutical DRUG industry).

To the people who've chosen not to put the pieces of the puzzle together, they'll think I'm a paranoid nutcase.

Yeah, keep thinking that. But years later, when you finally give my argument a chance and start questioning this 'authority', you'll see there's a lot of corruption going on in the name of "public safety" - what a bunch of lies that is. They do it for their own financial and power gain.

They know, however, if only a few people think like I do, it'll not change much; so they shrug and laugh, I'm sure. We need tens to hundreds of millions of people to question this authority, then protest them until real justice comes to pass.

Until then, the 'bully' will continue to abuse the weakling (of mind) brainwashed and lulled citizenry.
Amelia Sugar COCAINE

Castle Rock, CO

#13 May 9, 2013
I agree ^^^. After 2 felonies, you can not be rehabilitated. Doesn't CA have a 3 strike rule? Or which state is that?
Amelia Sugar COCAINE

Castle Rock, CO

#16 May 9, 2013
I checked out that link you gave Jethro. I was surprised to see LA on there being that New Orleans anyway allows the same felons to committ the same crime (murder) at least 8 times some of those men and they're let out on the streets. TX does a great job in handling their criminals I must say.
Amelia Sugar COCAINE

Castle Rock, CO

#18 May 9, 2013
Jethro Bodine Genius wrote:
<quoted text> Texas doesn't tolerate criminals well.
Not at all which makes me feel much better relocating there. Puts me more at ease knowing that the criminals will think twice about committing the same crimes there. TX doesn't play around. They handle their citizens quite well.
Sanity Advocate

Jacksonville, FL

#20 May 22, 2013
There are too many liberals here in this thread.

Three strikes, no matter what the felony OR MISDEMEANOR, hang' em, gas 'em, inject 'em and make them ride the lightning.

There is no excuse for going bad three times, I think first offenses should be treated more seriously too, maybe execution on first offense on everything, drinking under-age to murder, but the sentence could be waived IF the felon can indicate they have remorse.

Here's the truth, we are living in an overpopulated world, there already too many humans on it, we need to cull sometime, why not start on anyone who is anti-social and net negative to society?

Rules are not made to be broken, they are made for a purpose, they are made to maintain a coherent structure to society, people have a choice, fit in or be shipped out - in a box.
Nicky

Warrington, UK

#21 May 22, 2013
Some young people go through a period of petty crime. Sometimes because society and the cookie cutter education system has failed them.

To put people in prison for life for three petty crimes is madness. To execute them would be absurd.
Sanity Advocate

Jacksonville, FL

#22 May 22, 2013
Jethro Bodine Genius wrote:
I wonder how many of the criminals in this forum would be executed if it was a law?
You can tell the ones who are not fully 'non-criminal' in intent or in demeanor, they are the ones trying to qualify the offense, if you have a clear conscience, and no criminal record nor intent, like I, then you'd have no problem with such a policy.

I think we will, in the future, come to a stage where the 'right to life' won't apply to humans, life will be a privilege, an earned privilege, and not a right. Anyone who cannot contribute in a positive and moral way to society of the future should forfeit life.

I'm sick of low-life's bringing society down, I'd pay to watch them terminated, and laugh while I eat my popcorn.
saol

Howell, MI

#23 May 22, 2013
yeah and then everyone wouldn't wanna live here.. anymore.. and you would lose customers..
Nicky

UK

#25 May 22, 2013
Sanity Advocate, but it's all and who decides who earns the privelege of life?

What if they decide you do not have the privilege of life? What if they decide YOUR views are unpleasant and YOU are bringing society down. Will you still be so keen?
Nicky

UK

#28 May 22, 2013
Jethro Bodine Genius wrote:
<quoted text>They should suffer consequences for comitting any crimes, no matter how petty.
As long as the punishment fits the crime then no one would disagree. It's where the punishment doesn't fit the crime that people have issues.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#29 May 22, 2013
Nicky wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as the punishment fits the crime then no one would disagree. It's where the punishment doesn't fit the crime that people have issues.
The punishment has to be harsher every time they repeat a crime though, in order to find a specific point where it makes that person finally snap out of their criminal mindset and thus live in society like a normal, non-criminal citizen.

This is all on the individual; it cannot be blanketed over everyone as if everyone thinks exactly the same.

I'm for individual punishment, discipline and training... all, of course, depending on the severity of their specific crime(s) committed.

The problem is, this 'correctional institute' is not doing a good job of helping change these criminals around, so it's really their fault.

We need the cane over here for violent criminals. They need something to dread so much that it, alone, will make them think twice about ever committing another unjust violent act against someone else again. Caning (as seen in Singapore) is seriously needed here in the U.S.

That, again, on top of serious bootcamp-style environment and training of the mind; they need to be put in a different world when in prison, then forced to take classes, with disciplinary-style education; they cannot pass until they score a perfect 100% on each test, etc. Then bring in psychologists to oversee everything as well.

Instead of this, we've the incompetent (and/or few who're criminals) in government spending BILLIONS on space exploration, alone, as such a huge waste (or theft) of tax dollars! "Yay!"

Then they're waging wars against other nations, not bothering to cut military spending just a bit... even though our nukes alone would deter any invasion of our land today?

Many other things which government overspends with our tax dollars, yet for no good reason.

They've a motive for repeat offenders in prison; it's obvious! That motive is $$$! The business of crime! Oh, yes! Yes, indeed!

Making a harmless green plant illegal for most people to grow, sell or use! Why? Because they deem it as serious safety threat to our society? NO! Because the money they make from busting down peoples' doors, putting them through the jail and prison system, the courts being paid off left and right for lawyers, judges, etc.

Just for a harmless... green... plant.

The 'criminal elite' as I call them, they're making a business out of so many things today, from "crime", medical industry, the simple minded citizens thinking we "NEED" to explore space; thinking we "NEED" such a monumentally huge military, even our Navy alone is bigger than everyone elses navy put together! Oh yeah!

We're all used like pawns for their financial and power gain.

How they get away with it?

FEW people think like I do, so no protests happen.

Sad.
Nicky

UK

#30 May 22, 2013
Well in the UK we have more lenient sentences in the UK, but I doubt we have a higher crime rate though it is not something I have looked into. So it does not necessarily follow that tougher sentences equals lower crime rate.

In the UK although out sentences are more lenient, we do still ramp up the punishment for repeat offenders.

I think if you have violent crime you need to ban guns. That may be conroversial to you over there, but it will work.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#31 May 22, 2013
Nicky wrote:
Well in the UK we have more lenient sentences in the UK, but I doubt we have a higher crime rate though it is not something I have looked into. So it does not necessarily follow that tougher sentences equals lower crime rate.
In the UK although out sentences are more lenient, we do still ramp up the punishment for repeat offenders.
I think if you have violent crime you need to ban guns. That may be conroversial to you over there, but it will work.
Criminal activity begins in the mind, not with guns alone. So stop thinking of guns = crime!

If guns motivated people to commit crimes then over 150 million people would be committing crimes with their guns today; they're clearly not, so stop trying to demonize guns; not going to work.

'CRIME' BEGINS IN THE MIND!
Nicky

UK

#32 May 22, 2013
Crime begins in the mind. But it should not end with a semi automatic weapon.

Just ban them.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#33 May 22, 2013
Nicky wrote:
Crime begins in the mind. But it should not end with a semi automatic weapon.
Just ban them.
Then we must also ban all weaponry from government possession.

Look at the 'crimes' the Nazi government committed! Or Soviet government committed, or the U.S. government committed, or Chinese government committed or...

Ban all government weaponry! Let's be consistent here.

Two can play at this game! ;-)
Nicky

UK

#34 May 22, 2013
Anti-Fascism wrote:
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Then we must also ban all weaponry from government possession.
Look at the 'crimes' the Nazi government committed! Or Soviet government committed, or the U.S. government committed, or Chinese government committed or...
Ban all government weaponry! Let's be consistent here.
Two can play at this game! ;-)
The point of a democracy is that only the state can sanction violence.

That's what keeps us all safe and stops nutters running around with guns (apart from in America).

Unfortunately until there is only one world government (not in our lifetimes) rogue states and even non rogue states will go to war.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#35 May 22, 2013
Nicky wrote:
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The point of a democracy is that only the state can sanction violence.
That's what keeps us all safe and stops nutters running around with guns (apart from in America).
Unfortunately until there is only one world government (not in our lifetimes) rogue states and even non rogue states will go to war.
What?!

I'm quite shocked at what you just typed out above.

Damn, the government is truly ramping up their propaganda!

Where'd they brainwash you with this information, Nicky?

Or are you a [fascist] government propagandist yourself?
Nicky

UK

#36 May 22, 2013
Anti-Fascism wrote:
<quoted text>
What?!
I'm quite shocked at what you just typed out above.
Damn, the government is truly ramping up their propaganda!
Where'd they brainwash you with this information, Nicky?
Or are you a [fascist] government propagandist yourself?
Well how else do you think we all go to bed at night without being scared theres some nutter with a gun (unless you are in america in which case you should be scared of some nutter with a gun).

Punishment is sanctioned by the state and only by the state. That's what makes it safe for us to walk about because we know we all play by the same rules and big brother enforces it.

That's one of theory's of living in a safe state.

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