Teachers unions are the problem, not blacks.

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Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#2 Feb 26, 2012
This has NOTHING to do with the Teachers Union. Conservatives hate Unions period, and wish for workers to return to their near-serf status of pre-Union days.

A Principal is not in the Union, by the way...

A teacher's duty would have been to stop this activity, and to file a suspected child abuse report on the child who initiated it, since that is a likely sign that child has been sexually molested.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#4 Feb 26, 2012
The Teachers Union had nothing to do with "fostering this sort of environment". I certainly never received any instruction or suggestions from the Union to have my students fondle each other. Never happened.

Planned Parenthood website!? Kindergartners are reading that? And what does that have to do with the Teachers Union?

Private schools can reject problem students, enforce discipline that public schools cannot without cops and more funding. The parent is PAYING for the private school, and if they get a call that their kid will be kicked out for misbehaving, the PARENTS takes care of it.

You forget that this society is highly dysfunctional. Teachers get the classroom full of kids who are the result of dysfunctional parenting, bad media propaganda (coming from conservative corporations, of course), and the mean streets. Then when the class doesn't function at high efficiency, it's the teacher's fault?

You have little to no understanding of the educational system. Generally your post makes about as much sense as the average Ann Coulter book... NONE.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#5 Feb 26, 2012
I'd love to stick you in the class I taught in South Central L.A. You'd last 15 minutes!

And when I tried to urge changes, positive adjustments to our peculiar (i.e., gang-infested, violent, etc.) environment, who do you think opposed EVERYTHING I tried to do? The Union? NO. THE ADMINISTRATION OF LAUSD!!!

THEREIN lies the problem.
aisling_

Wellington, OH

#6 Feb 26, 2012
Thursday, February 23, 2012
Obama poem stirs outrage at Public School in Houston
School officials have pulled what some consider a pro-Obama poem from next week's Black History Month program at Tipps Elementary.

The poemů



Along with the poem mailed home to parents was an internal memo which read:

"Attached is a chant about President Barack Obama. All Kindergarteners will be required to learn the chant for the Black History program."

Parent Joseph Beaver tells KTRH News he doesn't believe the poem provides any educational value to students.

"You're not learning anything from it," he says. "I can't sit there and say in 20 years I'm going to need to know his favorite baseball team was this. That's just useless information."

However, Sylvester Brown at Houston's Black Heritage Society believes the whole thing is being taken out of context.

"Is the teacher using it to express her views?" asks Brown. "I don't think you can look at it from that side unless you're specifically looking for something to complain about."

Brown points out it this is Black History Month and Presidents' Day just passed, and Obama is our first black president.

"If they just sung a song about George Washington in class, would they say the same thing that's political?" he asks. "I mean, where's the contrast?"

Beaver still disagrees.

"The 'cherry tree,' that teaches morals about trying to tell the truth," he says. "This poem didn't teach anything. As a public school system you need to educate people, not teach them little chants and stuff."

Beaver first voiced his concerns to radio host Joe Pagliarulo on KTRH sister station KPRC. And Gayle Fallon, president of Houston's teachers union says he was right to do so.

"Just like you couldn't put something out advocating a specific religion, you can't with politics either," she says.

The Cy-Fair teachers union wouldn't comment, but Fallon says the poem and attached memo never should have been mailed to parents, somebody in the school's administration missed it.

"If the poem is overtly partisan political which it sounds like, they have a problem," he says. "If it was just saying we're having a black history program, it probably would not be a problem."

Cy-Fair ISD officials admit the poem was sent to parents without administrative approval, and the teacher has since apologized.

Assistant Superintendent Kelli Durham issued KTRH News a statement saying:

"There has been a misunderstanding circulating about kindergarten teachers requiring students to recite a chant at Tipps. This resulted when a teacher inadvertently attached a note, intended for other teachers, to a parent communication that was sent home. A teacher reading the note would understand the inference: only kindergarten students whose parents wanted them to participate were "required" to learn a chant.

However, the chant selected by the kindergarten team of teachers was sent home prior to receiving principal approval. Seeking approval is a school practice for school programs and events. After the principal reviewed the poem, along with the selections that would be performed by students at other grade levels, she selected another activity recognizing President Obama --kindergarten's historical figure to recognize.

Last week, the count for participants was less than 150 students compared to school wide enrollment of more than 1,000 students, and of those 25 were kindergarten students."

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/n...

(Isn't that "special".)
aisling_

Wellington, OH

#8 Feb 26, 2012
*For those who no clicky no linky...

The poem:

Who really likes to play basketball?
Obama really likes to play basketball.
Who's gonna answer our every call?
Every call, Basketball

Outside the box, Chicago White Sox
Resident, President

Who's famous slogan is Yes we can?
Obama's favorite slogan is Yes we can
Who do we know is the man?
Barack Obama is the man
He's our man, Yes we can!

Every call, Basketball

Outside the box, Chicago White Sox...
Resident, President...

Who won a Grammy for "Dreams of my Father"?
Obama won a Grammy for "Dreams of my Father"?
Now you can guess who's a famous author
Barack Obama is a famous author...

LMAO!
(And somewhere a village is missing it's idiots)
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#10 Feb 26, 2012
aisling_ wrote:
Thursday, February 23, 2012
"Attached is a chant about President Barack Obama. All Kindergarteners will be required to learn the chant for the Black History program."
Parent Joseph Beaver tells KTRH News he doesn't believe the poem provides any educational value to students.
"You're not learning anything from it," he says. "I can't sit there and say in 20 years I'm going to need to know his favorite baseball team was this. That's just useless information."
However, Sylvester Brown at Houston's Black Heritage Society believes the whole thing is being taken out of context.
"Is the teacher using it to express her views?" asks Brown. "I don't think you can look at it from that side unless you're specifically looking for something to complain about."
Brown points out it this is Black History Month and Presidents' Day just passed, and Obama is our first black president.
"If they just sung a song about George Washington in class, would they say the same thing that's political?" he asks. "I mean, where's the contrast?"
Beaver still disagrees.
"The 'cherry tree,' that teaches morals about trying to tell the truth," he says. "This poem didn't teach anything. As a public school system you need to educate people, not teach them little chants and stuff."
Beaver first voiced his concerns to radio host Joe Pagliarulo on KTRH sister station KPRC. And Gayle Fallon, president of Houston's teachers union says he was right to do so.
"Just like you couldn't put something out advocating a specific religion, you can't with politics either," she says.
The Cy-Fair teachers union wouldn't comment, but Fallon says the poem and attached memo never should have been mailed to parents, somebody in the school's administration missed it.
"If the poem is overtly partisan political which it sounds like, they have a problem," he says. "If it was just saying we're having a black history program, it probably would not be a problem."
Cy-Fair ISD officials admit the poem was sent to parents without administrative approval, and the teacher has since apologized.
Assistant Superintendent Kelli Durham issued KTRH News a statement saying:
"There has been a misunderstanding circulating about kindergarten teachers requiring students to recite a chant at Tipps. This resulted when a teacher inadvertently attached a note, intended for other teachers, to a parent communication that was sent home. A teacher reading the note would understand the inference: only kindergarten students whose parents wanted them to participate were "required" to learn a chant.
However, the chant selected by the kindergarten team of teachers was sent home prior to receiving principal approval. Seeking approval is a school practice for school programs and events. After the principal reviewed the poem, along with the selections that would be performed by students at other grade levels, she selected another activity recognizing President Obama --kindergarten's historical figure to recognize.
Last week, the count for participants was less than 150 students compared to school wide enrollment of more than 1,000 students, and of those 25 were kindergarten students."
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/n...
(Isn't that "special".)
I wish I had some of the highschool history texts with me, which blatantly glorify laissez-faire capitailsm, and push other political viewpoints, while selectively overlooking major historical events which might make the USA "look bad".
This is minor compared to that. And yes, if such a poem were about Lincoln or Jefferson, nobody would have complained. But Obama is alive and in office, so conservatives have to diligently make sure nobody is taught to admire him...
I wonder what would have been the reaction to a poem about Reagan...
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#11 Feb 26, 2012
Racism Police wrote:
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Many schools have as many administrators as they have educators yet problem students still can't manage to be disciplined.////
This is a 'progressive' problem created by democrats.
Wrong. The Teachers Union regularly complains about the top-heavy administration. Democrats did NOT create the problem. The principal impeding change in my school was blatantly a conservative Republican.

Meanwhile, our Republican gov had cut school funding to the point I could not get papers and pencils for the classroom... but of course none of the Administrators were laid off...

You rightwingers are idiots, by rote claiming "Democrats", "liberals" and "progressives" are responsible for every evil, yet a good analysis always reveals that it's the collusion of corporations and conservatives causing the problems.

Of course if you get your information from Megyn Kelly, you wouldn't understand that...
aisling_

Wellington, OH

#12 Feb 26, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
I wish I had some of the highschool history texts with me, which blatantly glorify laissez-faire capitailsm, and push other political viewpoints, while selectively overlooking major historical events which might make the USA "look bad".
This is minor compared to that. And yes, if such a poem were about Lincoln or Jefferson, nobody would have complained. But Obama is alive and in office, so conservatives have to diligently make sure nobody is taught to admire him...
I wonder what would have been the reaction to a poem about Reagan...
Of course there would be no poem about Reagan in that the agenda of teacher's such as the one who was attempting to have kindergarten children recite that chant is no less seeking to indocrinate young children. Do the "Hitler youth" ring a bell in that what that teacher and others during the last election is reminiscent of that. As that parent stated, there was nothing to be learned. I don't care who the President is, I would object all the same. Educating children is one thing but pushing kindergarten children to learn to chant about Obama and basketball is quite another thing. That teacher would be fired if I had my way in that it is unacceptable. Thankfully one parent was pro-active and put a stop to some teacher who clearly doesn't understand what is not acceptable. That teacher is paid by tax dollars and some of us don't appreciate teacher such as that one pushing their political agenda on kindergarten children.

Regarding that poem? If we didn't laugh, we would cry. It's pure comedy reading it. Yep, Obama's a resident, that's for sure. The resident apologist who believes he's some "Rock Star President".
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#13 Feb 26, 2012
Racism Police wrote:
<quoted text>
I once instructed African children at a Bantu school during apartheid my friend. I could easily handle teaching a room full of angry Hispanic children living in the first world, despite all of the progressive democrat indoctrination regarding the evils of whites.
I agree that the few good teachers left need the tools to discipline and remove disruptive students, but we both know that will never happen. I am sure we both know we are moving away from that in favour of the fantasy of egalitarianism.
The result is going to be no shining stars in our nations future, and frankly, it is being caused by the leaders in the teachers unions and the demagoguery of the progressive left, period.
The problem is not teachers. The school won't enforce discipline. If I sent a kid out who would refuse to behave, the office sent him back, saying "what would we do with him?" Well, create a detention hall, duh, or suspend or expel a few of them, or have the district fire a useless bureaucrat and pay for a cop to be there... there are many ways this could be done. The teacher has the power to do none of this. The teacher simply works in the system and cannot go against it.

It is not coming from the Unions or the left, and you are a liar to say so. This is only your own fascism showing. You decry "egalitarianism", but your own elitism is more reflective of the problem.

I believe they all should get an equal shot. Those who can perform better academically, obviously, should advance further. Is that anti-egalitarian? no. The dysfunctional system we have in the USA reflects a general socia dysfunction, and the motive force behind most of it is corporate power, not "Unions", duh.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#14 Feb 26, 2012
aisling_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course there would be no poem about Reagan in that the agenda of teacher's such as the one who was attempting to have kindergarten children recite that chant is no less seeking to indocrinate young children. Do the "Hitler youth" ring a bell in that what that teacher and others during the last election is reminiscent of that. As that parent stated, there was nothing to be learned. I don't care who the President is, I would object all the same. Educating children is one thing but pushing kindergarten children to learn to chant about Obama and basketball is quite another thing. That teacher would be fired if I had my way in that it is unacceptable. Thankfully one parent was pro-active and put a stop to some teacher who clearly doesn't understand what is not acceptable. That teacher is paid by tax dollars and some of us don't appreciate teacher such as that one pushing their political agenda on kindergarten children.
Regarding that poem? If we didn't laugh, we would cry. It's pure comedy reading it. Yep, Obama's a resident, that's for sure. The resident apologist who believes he's some "Rock Star President".
Your pretense that all teachers are leftist propagandists is laughable. I could post for pages all the examples I witnessed of rightwing and RACIST teachers pushing THEIR agenda on their classes.

I personally think that poem was stupid and didn't teach much. There are ways to present the life and characteristics of a President without the chanting, which does have a Sovietesque ring to it...or is it Hitler Youth? The racist Republican teachers I observed certainly were Naziesque...

This country has absorbed a lot from both of those systems, once we defeated them. I am increasingly seeing the USA as a sort of Soviet Nazi system, and ideologues like you aren't providing any solutions as long as you're stuck in the 1980's GOPAC syndrome of blaming the "liberals" for everything and pretending that corporate power is benign or absent.

This is why I'm supporting Ron Paul. As for the 2 political parties: a pox on both your houses!
aisling_

Wellington, OH

#15 Feb 26, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
This has NOTHING to do with the Teachers Union. Conservatives hate Unions period, and wish for workers to return to their near-serf status of pre-Union days.
A Principal is not in the Union, by the way...
A teacher's duty would have been to stop this activity, and to file a suspected child abuse report on the child who initiated it, since that is a likely sign that child has been sexually molested.
Conservatives don't hate Unions per se. What has been the case in many instances is that the Unions have brought down some companies/corporations due to them not budging an inch. As it was explained to me, everyone wanted to become rich and it trickled down to the Unions. Greed was the motivating factor. In the case of teachers, more and more money is allocated to schools but it seems that there is always a levy on the ballot to increase people's taxes due to schools not allocating the funds properly. There are some very good teachers but at the same rate, there are those who are simply putting in their time and it's costing the tax payer. One case that I cited was one district that once again had their hand out and the salaries were roughly 89K for nine months work. The person who pointed that out to me, and not happy with another levy, was that he paid 400 per month in city taxes alone.

Might I add, Unions cost companies/Corporations money due to lost time. Due to the Union's if say, for example, something needs to be fixed or whatever, they shut a line down and have to wait until a person who is Union attends to it.

The teacher's union is but one of the largest financial contributors to the Dem party and re the bailouts? It was to the advantage of the Union members in that as they say, "one hand washes the other."
Bolo

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Feb 26, 2012
See the problem is idiot drugged out parents who think that its everyones job except their own to raise their children. They blame everyone but themselves. So the child who was molesting other kids their parents haven't been questioned of course. Stupid niaghas.
aisling_

Wellington, OH

#17 Feb 26, 2012
Barros Serrano wrote:
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The problem is not teachers. The school won't enforce discipline. If I sent a kid out who would refuse to behave, the office sent him back, saying "what would we do with him?" Well, create a detention hall, duh, or suspend or expel a few of them, or have the district fire a useless bureaucrat and pay for a cop to be there... there are many ways this could be done. The teacher has the power to do none of this. The teacher simply works in the system and cannot go against it.
It is not coming from the Unions or the left, and you are a liar to say so. This is only your own fascism showing. You decry "egalitarianism", but your own elitism is more reflective of the problem.
I believe they all should get an equal shot. Those who can perform better academically, obviously, should advance further. Is that anti-egalitarian? no. The dysfunctional system we have in the USA reflects a general socia dysfunction, and the motive force behind most of it is corporate power, not "Unions", duh.
However, one cannot disregard that many schools are having their hands tied behind their back in that there is case after case of some parent suing a school and generally, it's some kid who's parent is reliving their glory days as a hippie throw back through their child. Or parents who don't do their job and when little Johnny or Suzy are taken to task, in marches the parent and threatening to sue. It's not Republicans that's teaching these children to not learn the basic facts that they are children, not adults, and when they become adults then maybe they can have things their way/make up their own rules. Until that time arrives, they need to "shut up and color". It would do well for their parents as well to simply "suck thumb".
aisling_

Wellington, OH

#18 Feb 26, 2012
*is taken to task, rather.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#22 Feb 26, 2012
More conservative rhetorical falderol.

Sued for discrimination? I couldn't get discipline enforced against white kids either...

You simply don't know what's going on. You believe whatever the propagandists tell you. The corporate masters hate Unions, and the Teachers Union is one of the strongest, hence the high level of rhetoric against it.

Corporations control this country. If you don't see that, you're asleep or in deep denial. And listening to conservative media keeps you that way.
Bolo

Brooklyn, NY

#24 Feb 26, 2012
Mango Man wrote:
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Regardless if corporations control the nation or not, the teachers unions DO control the schools......!
So essentially you are saying that the blacks are the problem, not the teachers unions?
. LOL!! Teachers unions control the schools"??? On what planet??? If teachers unions controlled the schools parents would be held accountable and discipline wpuld be enforced. Yes blacks are the problem. Black people havee no respect for educators or education. Black children feel entitled to act up in school and then blame the system. Yes black ppl r the problem.

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