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#305 Jan 13, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
You already told me? LOL!!! Your words mean less than nothing you pseudo-intellectual charlatan.
You have proven nothing. You have not addressed even all the evidence on which I base my conclusions. My statements stand, and while you babble much, you say nothing to change anything.
Maghreb: predominantly Eurasian for 30k years. Nothing you can do about it. Cry cry cry, Afronazi racist cult boy.
Keep dancing for your master lol...

You have not debunked ANY I said. While I shredded your Maghreb Eurasian for 30k years to pieces.

Keep dancing.

“Try harder :)”

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#306 Jan 13, 2013
BLOCKAH 559 wrote:
Anybody else notice that Barros never provides sources or evidence for his claims? example -- Barros : Blacks are Homo Erectus/ Neanderthal / Homo Sapien all in one. Me: do you have any evidence, any proof?-- Barros:-starts talking about sh-it that had nothing to do with the fuc-kin topic-
http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q701/Matt...

He's not to be taking seriously and everyone knows about Barros refusing to post sources to back his pseudo-science claims.

All he does is dance around the people he argues with.
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#308 Jan 13, 2013
The signs of a defeated, debunked troll.

1)never showing outside linked evidence for claims

2)lots of name calling when their claims are dismissed.

3) thinking that name calling solidifies their erroneous claims.

4)repeating the same the over & over with no outside substantiation.

5)Never taking the time to read and properly address the outside linked evidence other posters provide.

6)When all else fails they go into a raving&ranting
meltdown.
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#309 Jan 13, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep dancing...
1.I already told you U6 is not fully agreed to be Eurasian.
2.How large was the supposed Eurasian population 30k years ago?
3.You keep dodging Haplogroup A arising in Northwest Africa and some modern Northwest Africans STILL carrying it. That's the point! It does not matter if they have not found any remains.
4. You still have not debunked the above.
5. What the h3ll is a "Eurasian phenotype"?
6. I ALREADY posted early depictions of Berbers being Africa many times and JUST now.
But it gets even worse for you....
"Pope Eugene IV Against the Enslaving of Black Natives from the Canary Islands"
January 13, 1435
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Eugene04/euge...
"Some six decades before Columbus set out for the new world, Pope Eugene IV condemned the enslavement of black natives from the Canary Islands. This 1435 papal command demanded the European slave-masters to release them within 15 days or face the weight of excommunication from the Church."
http://fatherjoe.wordpress.com/instructions/o...
"1402
Juan de Bethencourt became the first European to settle in the Canary Islands and made slaves of several natives heralding the beginning of the black slave trade. At this time slavery had been practically eliminated in Europe, thanks to the influence of the Church. The Holy Roman Church later would not only condone and support slavery even of those baptized into the Roman Catholic Church but also would hold their own slaves. Europe, led by Spain, would begin over four centuries of slave trading that included some twenty million Africans alone, of which half died in transit. Jewish children deported from Portugal during the Inquisition settle Sao Tome e Principe, two islands 320 kilometers west of Gabon. It then became a transit point for the slave trade. Pope John Paul II (1978 -) in 1992 deplored the Roman Catholic Church's condoning of that sad offense to human dignity."
You lose by me AGAIN.
http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q701/Matt...
This data has to be addressed

"Some six decades before Columbus set out for the new world, Pope Eugene IV condemned the enslavement of black natives from the Canary Islands."
_______
the sign of a troll is to never intelligently examine researched data, but instead they will go into a meltdown mode
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#310 Jan 13, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
"The Nazlet Khater skeleton, also from Egypt, dates to around 33,000 years ago...."
-National Geographic
What OUTSIDE source can refute National Geographic?
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#311 Jan 13, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
The Aterian culture was 80k-40k and it stretched from Morocco to Egypt. And they were of indigenous African type.
Africans have always been going back and forth between North Africa and Sub Sahara Africa.
"The Aterian culture was 80k-40k and it stretched from Morocco to Egypt"

Isn't that the so-called Maghreb?
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#312 Jan 13, 2013
Troll......One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

http://www.google.com/url...
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#313 Jan 17, 2013

Divorcing the Late Upper Palaeolithic demographic histories of mtDNA haplogroups M1 and U6 in Africa

Erwan Pennarun, Toomas Kivisild, Ene Metspalu, Mait Metspalu, Tuuli Reisberg, Doron M Behar, Sacha C Jones and Richard Villems

BMC Evolutionary Biology 2012, 12:234

Abstract (provisional)

Background
"A Southwest Asian origin and dispersal to North Africa
in the Early Upper Palaeolithic era has been inferred in
previous studies for mtDNA haplogroups M1 and U6."
Both haplogroups have been proposed to show similar
geographic patterns and shared demographic histories.

Results
We report here 24 M1 and 33 U6 new complete mtDNA
sequences that allow us to refine the existing
phylogeny of these haplogroups.

"The resulting phylogenetic information was used to genotype a
further 131 M1 and 91 U6 samples to determine the
geographic spread of their sub-clades. No southwest
Asian specific clades for M1 or U6 were discovered. U6
and M1 frequencies in North Africa, the Middle East and
Europe do not follow similar patterns, and their sub-
clade divisions do not appear to be compatible with
their shared history reaching back to the Early Upper
Palaeolithic."

The Bayesian Skyline Plots testify to non-
overlapping phases of expansion, and the haplogroups'
phylogenies suggest that there are U6 sub-clades that
expanded earlier than those in M1. Some M1 and U6
sub-clades could be linked with certain events. For
example, U6a1 and M1b, with their coalescent ages
of ~20,000-22,000 years ago and earliest inferred
expansion in northwest Africa, could coincide with the
flourishing of the Iberomaurusian industry, whilst U6b
and M1b1 appeared at the time of the Capsian culture.

Conclusions
Our high-resolution phylogenetic dissection of both
haplogroups and coalescent time assessments suggest
that the extant main branching pattern of both
haplogroups arose and diversified in the mid-later Upper
Palaeolithic, with some sub-clades concomitantly with
the expansion of the Iberomaurusian industry. Carriers
of these maternal lineages have been later absorbed
into and diversified further during the spread of Afro-
Asiatic languages in North and East Africa.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#314 Jan 17, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
The Aterian culture was 80k-40k and it stretched from Morocco to Egypt. And they were of indigenous African type.
Africans have always been going back and forth between North Africa and Sub Sahara Africa.
Correct!
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#315 Jan 18, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Aterian culture was 80k-40k and it stretched from Morocco to Egypt"
Isn't that the so-called Maghreb?

The Aterian and its place in the North African Middle Stone Age

Eleanor M.L. Scerri Centre for the Archaeology of Human Origins (CAHO), 65A Avenue Campus, University of Southampton, Southampton SO17 1BF, UK

Abstract

quote:
The Aterian is a frequently cited manifestation of the Middle Stone Age (MSA) of North Africa, yet its character and meaning have remained largely opaque, as attention has focused almost exclusively on the typology of ‘tanged’, or ‘pedunculated’, lithics. Observations of technological similarities between the Aterian and other regional technocomplexes suggest that the Aterian should be considered within the wider context of the North African MSA and not as an isolated phenomenon. This paper critically reviews the meaning and history of research of the Aterian. This highlights a number of serious issues with definitions and interpretations of this technocomplex, ranging from a lack of definitional consensus to problems with the common view of the Aterian as a ‘desert adaptation’. Following this review, the paper presents the results of a quantitative study of six North African MSA assemblages (Aterian, Nubian Complex and ‘MSA’). Correspondence and Principal Components Analyses are applied, which suggest that the patterns of similarity and difference demonstrated do not simplistically correlate with traditional divisions between named industries. These similarity patterns are instead structured geographically and it is suggested that they reflect a population differentiation that cannot be explained by isolation and distance alone. Particular results include the apparent uniqueness of Haua Fteah compared to all the other assemblages and the observation that the Aterian in northeast Africa is more similar to the Nubian in that region than to the Aterian in the Maghreb. The study demonstrates the existence of population structure in the North African MSA, which has important implications for the evolutionary dynamics of modern human dispersals.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...

http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/teach/P314/MS...

http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/...
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#316 Jan 18, 2013
BLOCKAH 559 wrote:
Anybody else notice that Barros never provides sources or evidence for his claims? example -- Barros : Blacks are Homo Erectus/ Neanderthal / Homo Sapien all in one. Me: do you have any evidence, any proof?-- Barros:-starts talking about sh-it that had nothing to do with the fuc-kin topic-
Wrong, racist halfwit boy. I have provided links to valid sources of this information, but the Afronazi liars in here pretend not to see them.

That is because your Afronazi bullshit is sustainable ONLY by lying. Hence, y'all lie... all the damned time.

Shut up and get an education in these matters before you attempt to step to me, boy!
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#317 Jan 18, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct!
Not correct, racist halfwitted Afronazi boy.

There has not ALWAYS been movement between subsahara and Maghreb. The desert was in the way, fool.

Aterian... to 40k, then disappears. It has no relationship to the people in theMaghreb 30k bp, who were, obviously, Eurasians.

You desperately try to twist facts to suit your idiotic racist misconceptions, but you fail miserably, boy.

You're nothing but a racist ideologue.

You are doubtless unaware that the climate of the Maghreb during glacial maximums was palaeo-Arctic. This explains why the Berbers are so light in color, lighter than one would expect given today's climate in the Maghreb. They adapted to colder lower-light conditions. Like their kindred Europeans.

You have nothing, boy.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#319 Jan 18, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
Not correct, racist halfwitted Afronazi boy.
There has not ALWAYS been movement between subsahara and Maghreb. The desert was in the way, fool.
Aterian... to 40k, then disappears. It has no relationship to the people in theMaghreb 30k bp, who were, obviously, Eurasians.
You desperately try to twist facts to suit your idiotic racist misconceptions, but you fail miserably, boy.
You're nothing but a racist ideologue.
You are doubtless unaware that the climate of the Maghreb during glacial maximums was palaeo-Arctic. This explains why the Berbers are so light in color, lighter than one would expect given today's climate in the Maghreb. They adapted to colder lower-light conditions. Like their kindred Europeans.
You have nothing, boy.
Lets put it as simple as it is, YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SAHARA AND THE MAGREB REGION. ALL YOU WRITE IS GEUSS WORK AND BASELESS NONSENSE! WHICH BEST IS LAUGHABLE!

THE SOUTH OF MAGREB IS CONNECTED TO ACCESSIBLE PARTS OF THE SAHEL. YOU STUPID RACIST NAZI HILLBILLY PIECE OF SHYT! You life in the mountains somewhere in the southern part of America. You retard.

SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM THE REGION (including myself) HAVE EXPLAINED THAT YOU WRITE CRAP, BUT YOUR ARROGANCE AND STUPIDITY IS IN THE WAY OF REASONING RATIONAL!

It would be as stupid, if I would debate someone from Japan, and tell them that I know their indigenous space and culture better. This is how dumb and stupid you actually are.
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#320 Mar 4, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
The signs of a defeated, debunked troll.
1)never showing outside linked evidence for claims
2)lots of name calling when their claims are dismissed.
3) thinking that name calling solidifies their erroneous claims.
4)repeating the same the over & over with no outside substantiation.
5)Never taking the time to read and properly address the outside linked evidence other posters provide.
6)When all else fails they go into a raving&ranting
meltdown.
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#321 Mar 16, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
The signs of a defeated, debunked troll.
1)never showing outside linked evidence for claims
2)lots of name calling when their claims are dismissed.
3) thinking that name calling solidifies their erroneous claims.
4)repeating the same the over & over with no outside substantiation.
5)Never taking the time to read and properly address the outside linked evidence other posters provide.
6)When all else fails they go into a raving&ranting
meltdown.
Co/Sign

“Maat's my principle”

Level 9

Since: Jan 12

bamako,mali

#322 Mar 16, 2013
same here lol !
SURPRISE INSPECTION

Orange, CA

#323 Mar 17, 2013
big mike M wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, notice how the Eurocentric's in this thread can not counter what I posted in that link. Yet they make up excuses, spam same claims with no sources or throw in other arguments.
Which all proves that they can't counter what I posted. It's quite funny.
DING!

TIMES UP,ÁSS HÓLE.

Both YOU and your playing partner, "S.O.Y. Keita", lose for being such HORRENDOUSLY IGNORANT ÁSS BERRIES.

You 'chimed' in but you never answered the correct question truthfully,

probably because both of you are such agenda driven truth hating Afro-Centrist Áss Berries.

Sorry, but I just couldn't think of a better way to put it.

•••

PROOF OF PERMANENT CAUCASIAN ENTRY INTO NORTH AFRICA, 30,000YRS AGO:

The following is a scholarly peer reviewed
Scientific research article:

Mitochondrial DNA transit between West Asia and North Africa inferred from U6 phylogeography
Nicole Maca-Meyer1, Ana M González1, José Pestano2, Carlos Flores1, José M Larruga1 and Vicente M Cabrera1*

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/4/15

“The most probable origin of the proto-U6 lineage was the Near East. Around 30,000 years ago it spread to North Africa where it represents a signature of regional continuity.”

“Attested presence of Caucasian people in Northern Africa goes up to Paleolithic times. From the archaeological record it has been proposed that, as early as 45,000 years ago (ya), anatomically modern humans, most probably expanded the Aterian stone industry from the Maghrib into most of the Sahara [1]. More evolved skeletal remains indicate that 20,000 years later the Iberomaurusian makers, replaced the Aterian culture in the coastal Maghrib.”

“It is clear that the whole haplogroup U is an offshoot of macrohaplogroup N. This lineage, together with macrohaplogroup M, were the only ones that, belonging to the star radiation of L3 in Africa, left this continent to colonize Eurasia. Five mutations separate N from the root of the African L3 [8], and there are only late evolved N lineages in Africa, whereas representatives of the full N radiation are present in Eurasia. Thus, this continent would be the logical homeland of the proto-U6 that came back to Africa and spread in its northwest area around 30,000 ya (Table 4)”

“The expansion of Caucasians in Africa has been correlated with the spread and diversification of Afroasiatic languages.”

•••

[...continued on next post]
SURPRISE INSPECTION

Orange, CA

#324 Mar 17, 2013
continuation...]

"Abstract
World-wide phylogeographic distribution of human complete mitochondrial DNA sequences suggested a West Asian origin for the autochthonous North African lineage U6. We report here a more detailed analysis of this lineage, unraveling successive expansions that affected not only Africa but neighboring regions such as the Near East, the Iberian Peninsula and the Canary Islands.

Results
Divergence times, geographic origin and expansions of the U6 mitochondrial DNA clade, have been deduced from the analysis of 14 complete U6 sequences, and 56 different haplotypes, characterized by hypervariable segment sequences and RFLPs.

Conclusions
The most probable origin of the proto-U6 lineage was the Near East. Around 30,000 years ago it spread to North Africa where it represents a signature of regional continuity. Subgroup U6a reflects the first African expansion from the Maghrib returning to the east in Paleolithic times. Derivative clade U6a1 signals a posterior movement from East Africa back to the Maghriband the Near East. This migration coincides with the probable Afroasiatic linguistic expansion. U6b and U6c clades, restricted to West Africa, had more localized expansions. U6b probably reached the Iberian Peninsula during the Capsian diffusion in North Africa. Two autochthonous derivatives of these clades(U6b1 and U6c1) indicate the arrival of North African settlers to the Canarian Archipelago in prehistoric times, most probably due to the Saharan desiccation. The absence of these Canarian lineages nowadays in Africa suggests important demographic movements in the western area of this Continent."Nicole Maca-Meyer1 , Ana M González1 , José Pestano2 , Carlos Flores1 , José M Larruga1 and Vicente M Cabrera1. Published: 16 October 2003

Also,

"We genotyped the putatively causal allele for lactose tolerance (–13910T) and constructed haplotypes from several polymorphisms in and around the lactase gene (LCT) in three North African Berber populations and compared our results with previously published data. We found that the frequency of the –13910T allele predicts the frequency of lactose tolerance in several Eurasian and North African Berber populations but not in most sub-Saharan African populations. Our analyses suggest that contemporary Berber populations possess the genetic signature of a past migration of pastoralists from the Middle East and that they share a dairying origin with Europeans and Asians, but not with sub-Saharan Africans."

In other words, sub Saharan Black Africans have a tendency to be lactose intolerant but Berbers carry a certain allele along with Eurasians for lactose tolerance which is traced back to early pastoralists from the NEAR EAST!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15806398

“DANGER!!”

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#325 Mar 17, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets put it as simple as it is, YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SAHARA AND THE MAGREB REGION. ALL YOU WRITE IS GEUSS WORK AND BASELESS NONSENSE! WHICH BEST IS LAUGHABLE!
THE SOUTH OF MAGREB IS CONNECTED TO ACCESSIBLE PARTS OF THE SAHEL. YOU STUPID RACIST NAZI HILLBILLY PIECE OF SHYT! You life in the mountains somewhere in the southern part of America. You retard.
SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM THE REGION (including myself) HAVE EXPLAINED THAT YOU WRITE CRAP, BUT YOUR ARROGANCE AND STUPIDITY IS IN THE WAY OF REASONING RATIONAL!
It would be as stupid, if I would debate someone from Japan, and tell them that I know their indigenous space and culture better. This is how dumb and stupid you actually are.
BÚLLSHÍT!!!

The pile of crap that my cat just left in his litter box knows more about North Africa than you'll ever be able to comprehend, DÚMB ÁSS.
trollslayer

Chicago, IL

#326 Mar 17, 2013
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets put it as simple as it is, YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SAHARA AND THE MAGREB REGION. ALL YOU WRITE IS GEUSS WORK AND BASELESS NONSENSE! WHICH BEST IS LAUGHABLE!
THE SOUTH OF MAGREB IS CONNECTED TO ACCESSIBLE PARTS OF THE SAHEL. YOU STUPID RACIST NAZI HILLBILLY PIECE OF SHYT! You life in the mountains somewhere in the southern part of America. You retard.
SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM THE REGION (including myself) HAVE EXPLAINED THAT YOU WRITE CRAP, BUT YOUR ARROGANCE AND STUPIDITY IS IN THE WAY OF REASONING RATIONAL!
It would be as stupid, if I would debate someone from Japan, and tell them that I know their indigenous space and culture better. This is how dumb and stupid you actually are.

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