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BARROSS and JEFF: WERE THE VINCAS GENETICALLY FULLY EUROPEANS

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pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#1 Feb 7, 2013
barross and jeff were the vincans fully genetically european or partly middle eastern
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#2 Feb 7, 2013
They were mostly of I-type, Cro-Magnon, indigenous European, with some Neolithic Mideastern mixed in, type J. Very typically southeastern European, in other words.

That area today would be different due to the addition of Aryan type R since Vincan times.

If you're argument will be that therefore Vincan wasn't European, because of the Neolithic admixture, then I will assert that West African civilizations aren't African, due to R admixture.
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#3 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
They were mostly of I-type, Cro-Magnon, indigenous European, with some Neolithic Mideastern mixed in, type J. Very typically southeastern European, in other words.
That area today would be different due to the addition of Aryan type R since Vincan times.
If you're argument will be that therefore Vincan wasn't European, because of the Neolithic admixture, then I will assert that West African civilizations aren't African, due to R admixture.
yeah but you would be wrong

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22892526

Abstract

Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa..........

The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of ..........a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 15 August 2012; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2012.167
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#4 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
They were mostly of I-type, Cro-Magnon, indigenous European, with some Neolithic Mideastern mixed in, type J. Very typically southeastern European, in other words.
That area today would be different due to the addition of Aryan type R since Vincan times.
If you're argument will be that therefore Vincan wasn't European, because of the Neolithic admixture, then I will assert that West African civilizations aren't African, due to R admixture.
so they were not even fully european

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5750/10...
Ethio

Ashburn, VA

#5 Feb 7, 2013
Barros, Jeff: same neanderthal.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#6 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah but you would be wrong
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22892526
Abstract
Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa..........
The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of ..........a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 15 August 2012; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2012.167
I'm not wrong. Notwithstanding its migration path through Africa, R is the Aryan type, and it is a Eurasian type.

R is from a place far distant from Africa, as it originated in northern India-Afghanistan.

J, on the other hand, is the sister clade of I, and reached the Vinca area from Anatolia, only a few hundred miles away. So just how “non-European” it is is certainly questionable.

Anatolians were and are virtually the same people as Europeans, notwithstanding the barrier between the imaginary “continents” of Europe and Asia lying between the Balkans and Anatolia. Type I is present in Anatolia as well as in Europe.

Any attempt to separate Vinca from Europe is as absurd as attempting to separate Egypt from Africa.

And I could use Egypt as another comparison... since Eurasian types were present in Lower Egypt even in predynastic times, can we then say that Egypt wasn't African?

It is ironic, to say the least, that you would attempt this argument against the obviously “white” and European Vinca when you become hysterical even at having to admit that Eurasian DNA was present in ancient Egypt!

Must we find a “pure race” somewhere then, in order for credit to be given to any civilization?

Vinca was European, and it was civilized by 5000 bc.

It's Neolithic (farming) culture had been brought in from the Mideast. And OMG where did Egypt's Neolithic (based, as the Vincan, on a Mideastern crop---wheat) come from?

One hopes you aren't foolish enough to continue with this spurious and hypocritical argument.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#7 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
so they were not even fully european
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5750/10...
And so, Vinca was more European than Egypt was African. And it is the same Mideastern type J which is added to both of them.

Perhaps then we'll have to state that both Vinca and Egypt were Mideastern (and not European or African) civilizations, eh?
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#8 Feb 7, 2013
It is noteworthy here that the very dubious argument of the Afronazi is not directed even toward claiming that a civilization was “black”, but in denying that it could have been “white”.

Yet another proof that the thought of Afronazis is so permeated with racism as to make it completely invalid academically, and incapable of objectivity.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#9 Feb 7, 2013
Ethio wrote:
Barros, Jeff: same neanderthal.
Ethio: same sort of racist as those toward whom I find no reason for physical restraint when I encounter them in person.

You're an Afro-whitey Yank, are you not? Therefore, you are 3 species in one. One of those 3 is neandertalensis, as with Eurasians.

So just which species shall you use for name-calling? Look in the mirror first, heidelbergensis boy.
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#10 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not wrong. Notwithstanding its migration path through Africa, R is the Aryan type, and it is a Eurasian type.
R is from a place far distant from Africa, as it originated in northern India-Afghanistan.
J, on the other hand, is the sister clade of I, and reached the Vinca area from Anatolia, only a few hundred miles away. So just how “non-European” it is is certainly questionable.
Anatolians were and are virtually the same people as Europeans, notwithstanding the barrier between the imaginary “continents” of Europe and Asia lying between the Balkans and Anatolia. Type I is present in Anatolia as well as in Europe.
Any attempt to separate Vinca from Europe is as absurd as attempting to separate Egypt from Africa.
And I could use Egypt as another comparison... since Eurasian types were present in Lower Egypt even in predynastic times, can we then say that Egypt wasn't African?
It is ironic, to say the least, that you would attempt this argument against the obviously “white” and European Vinca when you become hysterical even at having to admit that Eurasian DNA was present in ancient Egypt!
Must we find a “pure race” somewhere then, in order for credit to be given to any civilization?
Vinca was European, and it was civilized by 5000 bc.
It's Neolithic (farming) culture had been brought in from the Mideast. And OMG where did Egypt's Neolithic (based, as the Vincan, on a Mideastern crop---wheat) come from?
One hopes you aren't foolish enough to continue with this spurious and hypocritical argument.
nope your wrong debunk the study or be quiet, and we know the natufians were black , and we know agriculture in egypt and nubia was indigenous eurasiians didnt give them farming

evidencve or shut up
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#11 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
And so, Vinca was more European than Egypt was African. And it is the same Mideastern type J which is added to both of them.
Perhaps then we'll have to state that both Vinca and Egypt were Mideastern (and not European or African) civilizations, eh?
no, you even admit upper egypt was black related to the nubians??? an that the civilization was from nubia/upper egypt???????

lololo so what you gonna do
Jeff

Natick, MA

#12 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah but you would be wrong
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22892526
Abstract
Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa..........
The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of ..........a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 15 August 2012; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2012.167
Pure nonsense. Anyone knows that R1b has its origins in Eurasia, its ancestor R1 has its origins in Asia, and that R1b has a back to Africa migration from Asia. lol! Sorry but R1b arose in Eurasia, its totally uncommon in Africa and its lineages are must younger in Africa and less diverse then those found in Asia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1_ (Y-DNA)
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#13 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
nope your wrong debunk the study or be quiet, and we know the natufians were black , and we know agriculture in egypt and nubia was indigenous eurasiians didnt give them farming
evidencve or shut up
The study has been debunk by the mere fact that R1b is the descendant of R1 which has its origins in ASIA, not Africa. Seriously if you don't know that already maybe you should take a class on haplogroup 101. R1b is not even common in Africa.

" Haplogroup R-M207 is part of the family of haplogroup P-M45, and a sibling clade, therefore, of haplogroup Q-M242, which is common in the Americas and Eurasia. In Eurasia, Q-M242's geography includes eastern areas such as Siberia. Based on these ancestral lineages, an inferred origin for R-M173 to the east of the West Asia. For example, Kivisild 2003 believes the evidence "suggests that southern and western Asia might be the source of this haplogroup." and "Given the geographic spread and STR diversities of sister clades R1 and R2, the latter of which is restricted to India, Pakistan, Iran, and southern central Asia, it is possible that southern and western Asia were the source for R1 and R1a differentiation." Soares 2010 felt in their review of the literature, that the case for South Asian origins is strongest, with the Central Asian origin argued by (Wells 2001) being also worthy of consideration."

All scientific studies place the origins of R1b in Asia since that is where its ancestors arose, to claim otherwise is pure nonsense.
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#14 Feb 7, 2013
yeah jeff because you say so it must be true

Q.who debunked the study????????

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22892526

Abstract

Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa..........

The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of ..........a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 15 August 2012; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2012.167
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#17 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
yeah jeff because you say so it must be true
Q.who debunked the study????????
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22892526
Abstract
Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa..........
The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of ..........a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 15 August 2012; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2012.167
Every study released says so. R1b is the descendant of R1 which has its origins in ASIA, not Africa. Like I said if you don't know that already maybe you should take a class on haplogroup 101. R1b is not even common in Africa and its lineages are younger then those found in Asia.

" Haplogroup R-M207 is part of the family of haplogroup P-M45, and a sibling clade, therefore, of haplogroup Q-M242, which is common in the Americas and Eurasia. In Eurasia, Q-M242's geography includes eastern areas such as Siberia. Based on these ancestral lineages, an inferred origin for R-M173 to the east of the West Asia. For example, Kivisild 2003 believes the evidence "suggests that southern and western Asia might be the source of this haplogroup." and "Given the geographic spread and STR diversities of sister clades R1 and R2, the latter of which is restricted to India, Pakistan, Iran, and southern central Asia, it is possible that southern and western Asia were the source for R1 and R1a differentiation." Soares 2010 felt in their review of the literature, that the case for South Asian origins is strongest, with the Central Asian origin argued by (Wells 2001) being also worthy of consideration."

All scientific studies place the origins of R1b in Asia since that is where its ancestors arose, to claim otherwise is pure nonsense, and posting that ONE study over and over doesn't help your case at wall but shows how desperate you have become.
Barros Serrano

Reserve, NM

#18 Feb 7, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
The study has been debunk by the mere fact that R1b is the descendant of R1 which has its origins in ASIA, not Africa. Seriously if you don't know that already maybe you should take a class on haplogroup 101. R1b is not even common in Africa.
" Haplogroup R-M207 is part of the family of haplogroup P-M45, and a sibling clade, therefore, of haplogroup Q-M242, which is common in the Americas and Eurasia. In Eurasia, Q-M242's geography includes eastern areas such as Siberia. Based on these ancestral lineages, an inferred origin for R-M173 to the east of the West Asia. For example, Kivisild 2003 believes the evidence "suggests that southern and western Asia might be the source of this haplogroup." and "Given the geographic spread and STR diversities of sister clades R1 and R2, the latter of which is restricted to India, Pakistan, Iran, and southern central Asia, it is possible that southern and western Asia were the source for R1 and R1a differentiation." Soares 2010 felt in their review of the literature, that the case for South Asian origins is strongest, with the Central Asian origin argued by (Wells 2001) being also worthy of consideration."
All scientific studies place the origins of R1b in Asia since that is where its ancestors arose, to claim otherwise is pure nonsense.
LOL!!! Here we go again... just like they tried to claim that U6 wasn't Eurasian!!! LOL!!!

And Jeff, check it out, they've rotated sockpuppet names again, see? Suddenly it's cladeboy again, lol!!!

When that happens, it is because we have fucked them up. This is their tactic. Also they like to switch the argument. Notice now that cladeboy is attempting to argue the origin of the Egyptian Neolithic rather than deal with the FACT that Vinca was European and 7000 years ago.

I would expect another tactic in dealing with Vinca will be to return to the old “Cro-Magnon was black” line. LOL!!!

Yes, folks, not only U6 and R1b are AFRICAN... so is I!!!

But of course the presence of any E markers in the Mideast or Europe indicate that Africans civilized Europe and invented the Mideastern Neolithic! LOL!!!

Predictably bogus... predictably the same old shit.
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#19 Feb 7, 2013
my studys newer, things change jeff with new evidence.

thats called science

bstract

Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa..........

The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of ..........a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 15 August 2012; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2012.167
pn2cladelover

Bristol, UK

#20 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!! Here we go again... just like they tried to claim that U6 wasn't Eurasian!!! LOL!!!
And Jeff, check it out, they've rotated sockpuppet names again, see? Suddenly it's cladeboy again, lol!!!
When that happens, it is because we have fucked them up. This is their tactic. Also they like to switch the argument. Notice now that cladeboy is attempting to argue the origin of the Egyptian Neolithic rather than deal with the FACT that Vinca was European and 7000 years ago.
I would expect another tactic in dealing with Vinca will be to return to the old “Cro-Magnon was black” line. LOL!!!
Yes, folks, not only U6 and R1b are AFRICAN... so is I!!!
But of course the presence of any E markers in the Mideast or Europe indicate that Africans civilized Europe and invented the Mideastern Neolithic! LOL!!!
Predictably bogus... predictably the same old shit.
still angry i exposwed you
are we

so now im changing accounts
and changing topics

ok baross face it you and jeff ave no answer to my posts so you call me names and lolol with each other

face it your done

vinca not fully europeans

r1 in africans not down to back migrations

debunk the science links i gave
Jeff

Natick, MA

#22 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
my studys newer, things change jeff with new evidence.
thats called science
bstract
Human Y chromosomes belonging to the haplogroup R1b1-P25, although very common in Europe, are usually rare in Africa. However, recently published studies have reported high frequencies of this haplogroup in the central-western region of the African continent and proposed that this represents a 'back-to-Africa' migration during prehistoric times. To obtain a deeper insight into the history of these lineages, we characterised the paternal genetic background of a population in Equatorial Guinea, a Central-West African country located near the region in which the highest frequencies of the R1b1 haplogroup in Africa have been found to date. In our sample, the large majority (78.6%) of the sequences belong to subclades in haplogroup E, which are the most frequent in Bantu groups. However, the frequency of the R1b1 haplogroup in our sample (17.0%) was higher than that previously observed for the majority of the African continent. Of these R1b1 samples, nine are defined by the V88 marker, which was recently discovered in Africa. As high microsatellite variance was found inside this haplogroup in Central-West Africa and a decrease in this variance was observed towards Northeast Africa, our findings do not support the previously hypothesised movement of Chadic-speaking people from the North across the Sahara as the explanation for these R1b1 lineages in Central-West Africa..........
The present findings are also compatible with an origin of the V88-derived allele in the Central-West Africa, and its presence in North Africa may be better explained as the result of ..........a migration from the south during the mid-Holocene.European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 15 August 2012; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2012.167
You're "study" doesn't say anything about R1b origins in Africa, it talks about a subclade V88, having arisen in Africa, it doesn't state anything about R1b having its origins in Africa because they know they'd be laught out the scientific community for such a crazy claim when all scientific studies show R1b arose in Asia with back migrations into Africa, since the oldest and most diverse lineages for R1b are found in Asia and the ancestor of R1b which is R1 is found in Asia where BOTH R1b and R1a are found, this is NOT the case with Africa where R1b is uncommon and only minute traces of V88 are found only in certain ethnic African groups with younger lineages then those found in Asia. The main ethnic group in Equatorial Guinea study are the Fang, who are known to have migrated all over North-Central Africa until they settled in EG just a few centuries ago, fleeing the Fulbe. It's unsurprising that they have picked up a lineage of R1b-V88 along the way. Not only that, EG was also in a European colonization zone, and given European colonial practices we might expect inter-ethnic sexual relations to have been widespread among colonists and traders.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#23 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!! Here we go again... just like they tried to claim that U6 wasn't Eurasian!!! LOL!!!
And Jeff, check it out, they've rotated sockpuppet names again, see? Suddenly it's cladeboy again, lol!!!
When that happens, it is because we have fucked them up. This is their tactic. Also they like to switch the argument. Notice now that cladeboy is attempting to argue the origin of the Egyptian Neolithic rather than deal with the FACT that Vinca was European and 7000 years ago.
I would expect another tactic in dealing with Vinca will be to return to the old “Cro-Magnon was black” line. LOL!!!
Yes, folks, not only U6 and R1b are AFRICAN... so is I!!!
But of course the presence of any E markers in the Mideast or Europe indicate that Africans civilized Europe and invented the Mideastern Neolithic! LOL!!!
Predictably bogus... predictably the same old shit.
Trying to claim an 'African' origins for R1b is crazy beyond belief. Every study conducted shows the ancestor of R1b is R1. R1 shows to have arisen in Asia where both R1b and Ra1 are found as well as all their subclades including V88. While in Africa there exists only minor traces of R1b and that is only of the V88 subclade, not races of Ra1 or any other R1b sub clases. It pure nonsense to claim an African origins for R1b when the oldest and most diverse lineages for it around in Asia.

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