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LeShaun

Santa Ana, CA

#1 Oct 20, 2008
Actually the Carribean as a whole

Compared to us in America, our living conditions are better than folks in Jamaica and the Carribean especially Haiti and Jamaica, in most parts of Jamaica its worse than most parts of Africa, they don't have no natural resources and most of them are either in the U.K or in America cause they can't stand the living conditions in the Carribean, its that poor and hopeless

I feel sorry for folks there, they bleach their skin like hell over there as well
www.vybzmagazine.com/skin-bleaching-a-disturb...
Dr Endo

AOL

#2 Oct 20, 2008
Another question to ask. Why are Jamaican men so well built--lean and muscled? Why are they such great athletes? Why do white European women desire them so much?

“Positive people.”

Since: Jun 08

north little rock arkansas

#3 Oct 20, 2008
This is true,and the violence is a huge problem in that country.KINGSTON, Jamaica, Apr 01, 2008 (ASCRIBE NEWS via COMTEX)---- With one of the hemisphere's highest rates of violent crime and police killings of civilians -- an average of three homicides a day and three police killings every four days -- hundreds of thousands of poor Jamaicans are caught between criminal gangs and police abuse and corruption, Amnesty International said in a report released Tuesday.
When violence soars due to turf wars among rival gangs, children can't go to school or outside to play and adults stay home from work as entire neighborhoods are barricaded and terrorized. During these "wars," even clean water can be off limits to poor inner city residents (60 percent have no indoor taps) because they can't walk safely to supply tanks.

Jamaican authorities have failed to deal with heavily-armed criminal gangs on the one hand, and to hold police accountable for abuse of civilians on the other, according to the 51-page report released at a press conference.(The report was based on interviews by Amnesty International with 120 people in Kingston, St. Catherine and St. Andrew in 2007).

Gangs are historically a political phenomenon in Jamaica; armed leaders originally were empowered by the two political parties to enforce their political agendas.

Far from protecting its citizens, the Jamaica Constabulatory Force (JCF)-- an export modeled on the Royal Ulster Constabulatory in the United Kingdom -- is contributing to soaring violence in the poor communities, the report found. Citing extrajudicial killings, excessive use of force and corruption, the report concludes that police are also biased against the population, viewing the community as undeserving of protection.

In 2007 alone, 272 people were fatally shot by JCF officers, according to the force's own figures. About 1,500 homicides were recorded in 2007 -- a high rate in a country with 2.7 million people.

The number of murders investigated or solved by police is extremely low and prosecution and conviction rates are also poor.

Because the government has neglected public security, gang leaders have filled the vacuum and control everything from the collection of "taxes" and the allocation of jobs to the distribution of food and "scholarships."

Gangs settle disputes, trying, sentencing and punishing offenders, with no government interference.

"Poor inner city Jamaicans are paying for this public security crisis with their lives," said Fernanda Doz Costa, Amnesty International researcher on Jamaica. "They are held hostage by endless confrontation between criminal gangs, police officers who kill them with impunity and authorities who fail to protect them."

AKJ

“akj”

Level 1

Since: May 08

I love my lil son..:)

#5 Oct 20, 2008
LeShaun wrote:
Actually the Carribean as a whole
Compared to us in America, our living conditions are better than folks in Jamaica and the Carribean especially Haiti and Jamaica, in most parts of Jamaica its worse than most parts of Africa, they don't have no natural resources and most of them are either in the U.K or in America cause they can't stand the living conditions in the Carribean, its that poor and hopeless
I feel sorry for folks there, they bleach their skin like hell over there as well
www.vybzmagazine.com/skin-bleaching-a-disturb...
*Smh* Here we go again...Leave them Yardies alone!!!!!!!!!!
LeShaun

Santa Ana, CA

#6 Oct 20, 2008
denita d wrote:
This is true,and the violence is a huge problem in that country.KINGSTON, Jamaica, Apr 01, 2008 (ASCRIBE NEWS via COMTEX)---- With one of the hemisphere's highest rates of violent crime and police killings of civilians -- an average of three homicides a day and three police killings every four days -- hundreds of thousands of poor Jamaicans are caught between criminal gangs and police abuse and corruption, Amnesty International said in a report released Tuesday.
When violence soars due to turf wars among rival gangs, children can't go to school or outside to play and adults stay home from work as entire neighborhoods are barricaded and terrorized. During these "wars," even clean water can be off limits to poor inner city residents (60 percent have no indoor taps) because they can't walk safely to supply tanks.
Jamaican authorities have failed to deal with heavily-armed criminal gangs on the one hand, and to hold police accountable for abuse of civilians on the other, according to the 51-page report released at a press conference.(The report was based on interviews by Amnesty International with 120 people in Kingston, St. Catherine and St. Andrew in 2007).
Gangs are historically a political phenomenon in Jamaica; armed leaders originally were empowered by the two political parties to enforce their political agendas.
Far from protecting its citizens, the Jamaica Constabulatory Force (JCF)-- an export modeled on the Royal Ulster Constabulatory in the United Kingdom -- is contributing to soaring violence in the poor communities, the report found. Citing extrajudicial killings, excessive use of force and corruption, the report concludes that police are also biased against the population, viewing the community as undeserving of protection.
In 2007 alone, 272 people were fatally shot by JCF officers, according to the force's own figures. About 1,500 homicides were recorded in 2007 -- a high rate in a country with 2.7 million people.
The number of murders investigated or solved by police is extremely low and prosecution and conviction rates are also poor.
Because the government has neglected public security, gang leaders have filled the vacuum and control everything from the collection of "taxes" and the allocation of jobs to the distribution of food and "scholarships."
Gangs settle disputes, trying, sentencing and punishing offenders, with no government interference.
"Poor inner city Jamaicans are paying for this public security crisis with their lives," said Fernanda Doz Costa, Amnesty International researcher on Jamaica. "They are held hostage by endless confrontation between criminal gangs, police officers who kill them with impunity and authorities who fail to protect them."
Jamaica is self destruct the people over there act like animals and breed like coackroaches

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#7 Oct 20, 2008
LeShaun wrote:
Actually the Carribean as a whole
Compared to us in America, our living conditions are better than folks in Jamaica and the Carribean especially Haiti and Jamaica, in most parts of Jamaica its worse than most parts of Africa, they don't have no natural resources and most of them are either in the U.K or in America cause they can't stand the living conditions in the Carribean....
There are SOME parts of the Caribbean that really are NOT well-suited to function as independent nations and that, in retrospect, probably should have remained as part of the UK.

On the USA's side of the house, I think many Puerto Ricans understand this intuitively, which is why the calls for independence from the USA are not TOO LOUD. I believe the majority of Puerto Ricans are aware that they too could be Jamaicanized if they decided to bust loose from Uncle Sam.

It's a TOUGH, SCARY WORLD out there for people who insist they want to make it as an "independent" tiny little island.
MacIsaac

Erie, PA

#9 Oct 20, 2008
Harrisson wrote:
<quoted text>
There are SOME parts of the Caribbean that really are NOT well-suited to function as independent nations and that, in retrospect, probably should have remained as part of the UK.
On the USA's side of the house, I think many Puerto Ricans understand this intuitively, which is why the calls for independence from the USA are not TOO LOUD. I believe the majority of Puerto Ricans are aware that they too could be Jamaicanized if they decided to bust loose from Uncle Sam.
It's a TOUGH, SCARY WORLD out there for people who insist they want to make it as an "independent" tiny little island.
Care to explain how Iceland, the whitest and smallest nation on earth, seated at the top of the world currently has the highest living standards on earth and is NOT apart of the EU?

lol I think we know EXACTLY why Caribbeans can't make it on their own even in paradise.

“Uncle Tom”

Since: Feb 07

United States

#10 Oct 20, 2008
Jamaica is poor because Seaga and Manley led the people astray. The west indies had a chance to be united in 58, but of course the yardies thought they were too good for the other islands and pulled out.

“Positive people.”

Since: Jun 08

north little rock arkansas

#11 Oct 20, 2008
LeShaun wrote:
<quoted text>
Jamaica is self destruct the people over there act like animals and breed like coackroaches
yea Iam beginning to see that.Now take a look at their education system.the violence is having an affect on the children getting a education.EDITORIAL - Education accountability required across the board
published: Wednesday | May 21, 2008

All Jamaicans would do well to read, and fully digest, the recent offerings of two distinguished Jamaicans, which, essentially, address the cause of the Jamaican condition and what we have to confront if we are to overcome what everyone admits is a bad situation.

The two - Esther Tyson, principal of Ardenne High School, who writes a monthly column in the Sunday edition of this newspaper, and Edward Seaga, former prime minister, who is now pro-chancellor of the University of Technology (UTech)- focused on problems affecting students' performance and societal attitudes to those who are not performing at required high standards.

Frankly, while we may not be convinced of Mr Seaga's argument of what fashioned Jamaica into what it has become, we agree substantially with what he sees as the effect on society.

For, like Mr Seaga, we are concerned that Jamaica has become mired in excuses, overburdened by a psychology of failure and the eschewing of individual responsibility.

Social conditions

In her article on Sunday, Mrs Tyson addressed specifically, a topic that has recently consumed Jamaicans - poor education outcomes and how much blame ought to be placed on schools and teachers. If we read Mrs Tyson correctly, the answer is primarily parental neglect and inadequate resources.

Concentrating on the disparity of performance between the traditional and upgraded high schools, she suggests that the latter have been treated unfairly. She blames, primarily, the social conditions in which these schools operate - poorly prepared students, poor parenting, violent communities, etc.

All of which are true. But Mrs Tyson apparently missed the point of the analysis commissioned by this newspaper, which has formed the backdrop of this latest debate on education, which did not focus only on the dismal performance in upgraded high schools.

Indeed, only a handful of the traditionals can claim to be performing at acceptable levels and the outcomes at several are below the achievements of the former all-age schools.

Not a single-track issue

As we have argued in the past, fixing education is not a single-track issue, but it will not happen with teachers attempting to extricate themselves from the problem, seeking plausible deniability for bad outcomes. Which, by Mr Seaga's argument is the nature of Jamaica, where the drive is not primarily for perfection. Rather, people expect 'ease up and let-off' if things go wrong.

Coming close to Mrs Tyson's sphere of operation, Mr Seaga pointed to the government's proposed policy of not allowing underperforming students to sit the Grade Six Achievement Test (GSAT) to enter high schools if they do not master the requirements for literacy and numeracy. The upshot: a howl of complaints.

Said Mr Seaga: "The Jamaica society accommodates imperfections: unfinished business, loose performance and intimidation from good workmanship." Sadly, he is, essentially, correct.

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#12 Oct 20, 2008
MacIsaac wrote:
<quoted text>
Care to explain how Iceland, the whitest and smallest nation on earth, seated at the top of the world currently has the highest living standards on earth and is NOT apart of the EU?..
LOL! Iceland is bankrupt, you ignoramus, and perhaps will be repossessed by lenders in Great Britain.
Always Right

Labelle, FL

#13 Oct 20, 2008
It is nasty and poor because of the negro. Kinda says it all.
LeShaun

Santa Ana, CA

#14 Oct 20, 2008
Denita thats no suprise, little or no hope for Jamaica, moments like these that I am proud to be American
Dr Endo

AOL

#15 Oct 20, 2008
Soft white males are envious of all those lean, athletic Jamaican males that are making love to all those vacationing white women.

“Engaged :)”

Since: Aug 07

UK

#16 Oct 20, 2008
LMAO i swear down....you're lucky this forum is full of AA's and i'm not bad mind cos boooooyyy.....anywayyyy......

Yeah, Jamaica is a poor country and it is very violent in Kingston....luckily my family aren't from there...although the people in Kingston are quite friendly.

But because of our values and respect...we still luve and work as one which help Jamaica to strive in Happiness....which i think is a great thing.

lol To be honest i don't care what ANYONE says about Jamaica because i am a VERY proud caribbean who has a Jamaican mother and i am VEEEEEERY proud to have a Jamaican heritage.
We have the FASTEST man and woman living in the island that people like to diss. All i can say is Chat to Mi Back....cos at the end of the day...The majority of Jamaicans are very happy people.

I'm glad Jamaica seems to have its little fam in Topix cos it makes me even prouder to know people love to chat about our island!

“Engaged :)”

Since: Aug 07

UK

#17 Oct 20, 2008
LeShaun wrote:
Denita thats no suprise, little or no hope for Jamaica, moments like these that I am proud to be American
Good. Keep your arse in America cos i'm sure no Jamaican would want a bad mind person liek you living in their island. Why worry about someone you don't care about?

“Engaged :)”

Since: Aug 07

UK

#18 Oct 20, 2008
freeradical wrote:
Jamaica is poor because Seaga and Manley led the people astray. The west indies had a chance to be united in 58, but of course the yardies thought they were too good for the other islands and pulled out.
Yardies piss me off so much. They let down the respectful Jamaicans all the time.....

“Engaged :)”

Since: Aug 07

UK

#19 Oct 20, 2008
Dr Endo wrote:
Another question to ask. Why are Jamaican men so well built--lean and muscled? Why are they such great athletes? Why do white European women desire them so much?
THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! Bad mind people....thats all it is....
Pirate of the Caribbean

Wesley Chapel, FL

#20 Oct 20, 2008
Only Haiti is like Africa in terms of chaos. Jamaica is above any sub-sahara African country in terms of living standards (except South Africa).

UN Human Development:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:UN_Hu... (2).svg

Anybody care to explain why so many people in the Caribbean are black?
Pirate of the Caribbean

Wesley Chapel, FL

#21 Oct 20, 2008
here we go again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Developmen...

A note: folks, if you're gonna say, this country is a cess pool, that country is so advanced, bla bla bla, at least look something up before you talk rubbish. Civlized humans STUDY and RESEARCH.
Black Professor

Woodbridge, VA

#22 Oct 20, 2008
They poor because they don't work. Money don't grow off of trees like low hanging fruit.

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