Anyone SUCCESSFULLY signed up for Oba...

Anyone SUCCESSFULLY signed up for Obamacare?

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Loral

Buffalo, NY

#1 Oct 6, 2013
I read that only 3 people in the whole United States so far have successfully signed up for Obamacare. The Web site for signing up is a mess. That means Obamacare will be a mess too.

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#2 Oct 6, 2013
Loral wrote:
I read that only 3 people in the whole United States so far have successfully signed up for Obamacare. The Web site for signing up is a mess. That means Obamacare will be a mess too.
What's the point of signing up?

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#3 Oct 6, 2013
Besides being one of the famous 4 people who have?

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#4 Oct 9, 2013
I was talking to some friends today who have no insurance and are lower income, going to college, working a couple of part time jobs and they have no insurance. They are bummed out about signing up for obamacare and would rather just go on without insurance for now, even though they will probably get it for free or for little. They hate the concept of how it's set up though, and the fact they will be fined if they go on as is. They feel forced into it, going by the way their lives are now. Being fined is the really absurd part.

I talked to my g-grandmother's sister yesterday, one of the few liberals in the family. She said she didn't see anything wrong with being fined for not having insurance and said, Well, if you run a red light you get fined if you don't have car insurance you get fined. I said, If you run a red light you endanger other people. You are only required to have liability to protect other people's property. They don't make you have full coverage to protect your own (at least for now!)

She said, Well, I'd rather people be fined if more are insured. I didn't argue with her. She is an old woman. I just want to avoid lots of people more and more.

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#5 Oct 9, 2013
sONE wrote:
I was talking to some friends today who have no insurance and are lower income, going to college, working a couple of part time jobs and they have no insurance. They are bummed out about signing up for obamacare and would rather just go on without insurance for now, even though they will probably get it for free or for little. They hate the concept of how it's set up though, and the fact they will be fined if they go on as is. They feel forced into it, going by the way their lives are now. Being fined is the really absurd part.
I talked to my g-grandmother's sister yesterday, one of the few liberals in the family. She said she didn't see anything wrong with being fined for not having insurance and said, Well, if you run a red light you get fined if you don't have car insurance you get fined. I said, If you run a red light you endanger other people. You are only required to have liability to protect other people's property. They don't make you have full coverage to protect your own (at least for now!)
She said, Well, I'd rather people be fined if more are insured. I didn't argue with her. She is an old woman. I just want to avoid lots of people more and more.
I don't agree with being fined for not having insurance, I don't really see a reason why it should be mandatory. As for Obamacare idk it's really hard for me to judge without reading and understanding the whole bill which is like a big book. Most people haven't read the whole bill and don't understand the bill so I don't know why people on both side of the issue have such strong views about it.
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New Port Richey, FL

#6 Oct 9, 2013
How come when oDUMBo was blabbering about "over a million people visited the site", he didn't mention that virtually NONE of them actually signed up for CommieCare?

....didn't he know?
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Mount Orab, OH

#7 Oct 9, 2013
sONE wrote:
I was talking to some friends today who have no insurance and are lower income, going to college, working a couple of part time jobs and they have no insurance. They are bummed out about signing up for obamacare and would rather just go on without insurance for now, even though they will probably get it for free or for little. They hate the concept of how it's set up though, and the fact they will be fined if they go on as is. They feel forced into it, going by the way their lives are now. Being fined is the really absurd part.
I talked to my g-grandmother's sister yesterday, one of the few liberals in the family. She said she didn't see anything wrong with being fined for not having insurance and said, Well, if you run a red light you get fined if you don't have car insurance you get fined. I said, If you run a red light you endanger other people. You are only required to have liability to protect other people's property. They don't make you have full coverage to protect your own (at least for now!)
She said, Well, I'd rather people be fined if more are insured. I didn't argue with her. She is an old woman. I just want to avoid lots of people more and more.
And because it was determined by the Supreme Court ruling to be a tax, the IRS will collect fines by taking it out of a person's income tax return.

Welcome to socialism.

I was telling my Dad about that video you posted where that KGB agent was talking about brainwashing the youth and he said it started way back in the 70's and why he was outspoken about the teacher's being as liberal as they were.

One thing he said, as well, was that with the internet, pushing people to do so much online, ie banking, etc, all the government has to do is hit a "kill switch" and there's nothing anyone can do. His forecast for the future is pretty grim.

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#8 Oct 9, 2013
TikurAfrica wrote:
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I don't agree with being fined for not having insurance, I don't really see a reason why it should be mandatory. As for Obamacare idk it's really hard for me to judge without reading and understanding the whole bill which is like a big book. Most people haven't read the whole bill and don't understand the bill so I don't know why people on both side of the issue have such strong views about it.
Well, that is what I'm most against- FORCING people to buy a product or to sign up for it even if it's free, with the threat of a fine if you don't. My friends that I posted about can probably get it for free or low cost- but they just really don't want to be in the system. They will probably get through college without a catastrophic health issue and then go on to have insurance. If not, there are other options already available- hospitals don't turn away sick/injured people- or they send them to a "charity" hospital. If people want to risk things lie that, then they should have that freedom. In either scenario, tax payers will be picking up a lot of the tab. They just want everyone in the system.

I called my brother-in-law, an accountant, and asked him if poor people could be fined if they didn't have insurance and he said he believed so though he's still trying to detangle the mess.

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#9 Oct 9, 2013
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And because it was determined by the Supreme Court ruling to be a tax, the IRS will collect fines by taking it out of a person's income tax return.
Welcome to socialism.
I was telling my Dad about that video you posted where that KGB agent was talking about brainwashing the youth and he said it started way back in the 70's and why he was outspoken about the teacher's being as liberal as they were.
One thing he said, as well, was that with the internet, pushing people to do so much online, ie banking, etc, all the government has to do is hit a "kill switch" and there's nothing anyone can do. His forecast for the future is pretty grim.
Yes, that's how they will get a lot of "lower income", "working poor" people.

That video is really something. He foretold exactly what takes place more and more. Yes, I've stopped doing much business on the internet. It gets more and more difficult though. Maybe it would have been better if technology stooped in it's tracks decades ago. Now, it seems it's used to take more freedoms away than for the great benefits.

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#10 Oct 9, 2013
TikurAfrica wrote:
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I don't know why people on both side of the issue have such strong views about it.
It's like people have a "team" mentality now more than ever before and so divided and full of vitriol.

But really, what is to keep the government insurance policies as low as they start out- in fact what is to keep them from skyrocketing- and the fines- then, being tangled up with the IRS, thy can put liens on your property, garnish your wages, etc. Who wants to put that much trust in the government? Some look at them as "benefactors". Not me.
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Mount Orab, OH

#11 Oct 9, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Yes, that's how they will get a lot of "lower income", "working poor" people.
That video is really something. He foretold exactly what takes place more and more. Yes, I've stopped doing much business on the internet. It gets more and more difficult though. Maybe it would have been better if technology stooped in it's tracks decades ago. Now, it seems it's used to take more freedoms away than for the great benefits.
That's exactly how they will get it. It will also turn this country into one of part timers. In 10 states, Obamacare will wipe out people's insurance plans. It's also been said that just because someone will have insurance, that's no guarantee that they will have a doctor.

That's my Dad's school of thought as well in that he strongly feels that the internet is what's ushered things in. Granted he's of a different generation so he has little appreciation for the internet. I do little on the internet as well. You're right that more freedoms are taken away. Soon we may not even be able to do much w/out it and if someone turns the switch off, there's nothing that we can do about it.
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Mount Orab, OH

#12 Oct 9, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Yes, that's how they will get a lot of "lower income", "working poor" people.
That video is really something. He foretold exactly what takes place more and more. Yes, I've stopped doing much business on the internet. It gets more and more difficult though. Maybe it would have been better if technology stooped in it's tracks decades ago. Now, it seems it's used to take more freedoms away than for the great benefits.
Might I add, what we're looking and that which started in the 70's, even before then/bringing us to the present, is no less than, as they say, "boiling the frog".
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Mount Orab, OH

#13 Oct 9, 2013
*looking at, even.
Eustace

Huntsville, TX

#14 Oct 9, 2013
In over 10 states alone, Obamacare has driven up the cost of deductibles and premiums already.

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#15 Oct 9, 2013
Say what wrote:
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That's exactly how they will get it. It will also turn this country into one of part timers. In 10 states, Obamacare will wipe out people's insurance plans. It's also been said that just because someone will have insurance, that's no guarantee that they will have a doctor.
That's my Dad's school of thought as well in that he strongly feels that the internet is what's ushered things in. Granted he's of a different generation so he has little appreciation for the internet. I do little on the internet as well. You're right that more freedoms are taken away. Soon we may not even be able to do much w/out it and if someone turns the switch off, there's nothing that we can do about it.
Wow, in ten states. Some seem to think there's some "altruism" behind obamacare- that the "goal" is to somehow crash insurance companies and bring in total socialized medicine "for the good of the people". I think it's one of the final efforts for total control over the people. No one in the government does anything for altruism, especially now days, imo. That so many welcome more government encroachment in this way with the trust of a child is just so shocking to me.

Well, a lot of the older people have wisdom (some like my g-grandmother's sister do not, lol). I feel that you are right- it's been a process for several decades, something planned, not happenstance- with just certain factors randomly coming together to get us to the place we are at now.

Yes, people with investment accounts to checking accounts, and so much more could be shut off at a few people's whim. I try to stay off the grid as much as possible, but our own fate seems increasingly out of our hands. The mark of the ole beasty.

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#16 Oct 9, 2013
Eustace wrote:
In over 10 states alone, Obamacare has driven up the cost of deductibles and premiums already.
Some people my mom knows who work for the school district have been saying theirs have doubled- at least for their dependents. That's in Texas.

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#17 Oct 9, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Wow, in ten states. Some seem to think there's some "altruism" behind obamacare- that the "goal" is to somehow crash insurance companies and bring in total socialized medicine "for the good of the people". I think it's one of the final efforts for total control over the people. No one in the government does anything for altruism, especially now days, imo. That so many welcome more government encroachment in this way with the trust of a child is just so shocking to me.
Well, a lot of the older people have wisdom (some like my g-grandmother's sister do not, lol). I feel that you are right- it's been a process for several decades, something planned, not happenstance- with just certain factors randomly coming together to get us to the place we are at now.
Yes, people with investment accounts to checking accounts, and so much more could be shut off at a few people's whim. I try to stay off the grid as much as possible, but our own fate seems increasingly out of our hands. The mark of the ole beasty.
Yes, it's pretty clear to me that's what they were trying to do with Obamacare: to make a bad healthcare system even worse.

I remember during the Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist senator from Vermont during the Obamacare debate that he defended it, even though it was bad, because it would eventually lead to universal healthcare. So how does that work?

Then I remembered Lenin's words: "worse is better." It's so obvious what they are doing. They are deliberately making things worse. It's so transparent what they are doing.

I keep bookmarks of helpful articles. Here is a quote from one that is pertinent to the point you and I are making:

"In place of the Old Order of 'bourgeois capitalism' and 'imperialism,' Lenin offered a sweeping New Order of socialism, socialist discipline, a global crusade for a new world order...'Worse is better' was his slogan. Destruction-followed-by-constr uction was the Leninist sequence. Nothing stood higher, in his mind, than the cause of socialism."

That's what they are up to, and you definitely have their number.

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#18 Oct 10, 2013
Walter Henrickson wrote:
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Yes, it's pretty clear to me that's what they were trying to do with Obamacare: to make a bad healthcare system even worse.
I remember during the Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist senator from Vermont during the Obamacare debate that he defended it, even though it was bad, because it would eventually lead to universal healthcare. So how does that work?
Then I remembered Lenin's words: "worse is better." It's so obvious what they are doing. They are deliberately making things worse. It's so transparent what they are doing.
I keep bookmarks of helpful articles. Here is a quote from one that is pertinent to the point you and I are making:
"In place of the Old Order of 'bourgeois capitalism' and 'imperialism,' Lenin offered a sweeping New Order of socialism, socialist discipline, a global crusade for a new world order...'Worse is better' was his slogan. Destruction-followed-by-constr uction was the Leninist sequence. Nothing stood higher, in his mind, than the cause of socialism."
That's what they are up to, and you definitely have their number.
Hi Walter :)

That's very interesting. You are one that always brings a clarity to things. I probably most often go with the premise that several groups/motives are behind such big changes/movements with all behind it being very controlling people. You have the ones who think people are too dumb to take care of themselves and are vehement haters of any capitalism- the thing imo that built this nation (I mean actual capitalism not the controlling globalist monopolies with mega government interference that we have today), and then you have the ones who want to just control the masses for their own nefarious purposes- working toward their goal in the same way- in conjunction with the die hard socialists. The US needs to get back to its roots and rule of law, not continue on the path that obliterates everything and turns it into something it was never meant to be.
Cracker Crybabies

Sacramento, CA

#19 Oct 10, 2013
My God! Do you crackers ever stop whining?

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#20 Oct 10, 2013
sONE wrote:
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Hi Walter :)
That's very interesting. You are one that always brings a clarity to things. I probably most often go with the premise that several groups/motives are behind such big changes/movements with all behind it being very controlling people. You have the ones who think people are too dumb to take care of themselves and are vehement haters of any capitalism- the thing imo that built this nation (I mean actual capitalism not the controlling globalist monopolies with mega government interference that we have today), and then you have the ones who want to just control the masses for their own nefarious purposes- working toward their goal in the same way- in conjunction with the die hard socialists. The US needs to get back to its roots and rule of law, not continue on the path that obliterates everything and turns it into something it was never meant to be.
Hey sONE :)

I absolutely agree.:)

You and I seem to be pretty much simpatico. I read an article today that I really liked that I'd like to share with you:
http://tinyurl.com/l2oz9sz

I think you might like it considering what you wrote in the above post.

BTW, do you happen to read that site by any chance?

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