Europeans are NOT Aryans!!!!
Beer Belly Bobs Ghost

New York, NY

#304 Jan 16, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
NOTHING in there says that there was anyone in the Maghreb after 40k bp until the Eurasians got there, boy.
Aterians, LOL!!! Middle Palaeolithic!
What a numbnuts. The DNA of those who appear in the uninhabited Maghreb some time before 30k bp is pure Eurasian. This is proven.
Everything I say is proven, boy.
Everything you say is bull$hit spewed by a racist ignoramus.
Boy.
When are you gonna realize that nobody cares what you have to say nor finds you in the least bit noteworthy Mr. 4,323?
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#305 Jan 16, 2014
To understand more about the dispersal of Hg's relating to their locus and the small pockets of tribes moving out of Africa, we have to understand the Nubian complex.

The Nubian Complex.

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

http://www.antiquity.ac.uk/projgall/bailey334...

http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1...

The Nubian Complex.

quote:
"Particularly, Yemen has the largest contribution of L lineages (30). So, most probably, this area was the entrance gate of a portion of these lineages in prehistoric times, which participated in the building of the primitive Arabian population."

Under these suppositions, the Arabian Peninsula, as an obliged step between East Africa and South Asia, has gained crucial importance, and indeed several mtDNA studies have recently been published for this region [30-32]. However, it seems that the bulk of the Arab mtDNA lineages have northern Neolithic or more recent Asian or African origins....
--Khaled K Abu-Amero et al.
Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula

quote:
Recent fieldwork has considerably increased our knowledge of early Holocene settlement in Southwest Arabia. Neolithic settlement occurred within an environmental context of increased monsoonal moisture that continued during the mid-Holocene. A now well-attested Bronze Age exemplified by village- and town-scale settlements occupied by sedentary farmers developed toward the end of the mid-Holocene moist interval. The high plateau of Yemen was an early focus for the development of Bronze Age complex society, the economy of which relied upon terraced rain-fed and runoff agriculture. On the fringes of the Arabian desert, the precursors of the Sabaean literate civilization have been traced back to between 3600 and 2800 B.P., and even earlier, so that a virtually continuous archaeological record can now be described for parts of Yemen. In contrast to the highlands these societies relied upon food production from large-scale irrigation systems dependent upon capricious wadi floods. Bronze Age settlement, while showing some links with the southern Levant, now shows equal or stronger linkages with the Horn of Africa across the Red Sea. Although some regions of Yemen show breaks in occupation, others show continuity into the Sabaean period when a series of major towns grew up in response to the incense trade with the north. It is now clear that these civilizations grew up on the foundations of earlier Bronze Age complex societies.
--Christopher Edens, T. J. Wilkinson

Journal of World Prehistory
March 1998, Volume 12, Issue 1, pp 55-119
Southwest Arabia During the Holocene: Recent Archaeological Developments

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%...

http://www.imninalu.net/Myths_files/Arabia.jp...

quote:
The Arab scholars distinguish Arabians as descending from two different stocks: the "original" Arabs ('aribah), whose forefather was Qahtan -Yoqtan- and are the Yemenite group of tribes, and the "arabized" peoples of the north (musta'aribah), whose forefather is said to be Adnan, allegedly an Ishmaelite.
http://www.imninalu.net/myths-Arabs.htm
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#306 Jan 16, 2014
Beer Belly Bobs Ghost wrote:
<quoted text> When are you gonna realize that nobody cares what you have to say nor finds you in the least bit noteworthy Mr. 4,323?
Yep, that's true. I have provided a sum of sources, yet that ignoramus keeps iterating the same nonsense.

Btw, I just came back from NY, I had a great time, nice people.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#307 Jan 16, 2014
A Nubian Complex Site from Central Arabia: Implications for Levallois Taxonomy and Human Dispersals during the Upper Pleistocene

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...

Rémy Crassard, Yamandú Hieronymus Hilbert

Published: July 24, 2013DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0069221

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F1...


http://tinyurl.com/7megtct
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#308 Jan 16, 2014
quote:
North Africa is quickly emerging as one of the more important regions yielding information on the origins of modern Homo sapiens. Associated with significant fossil hominin remains are two stone tool industries, the Aterian and Mousterian, which have been differentiated, respectively, primarily on the basis of the presence and absence of tanged, or stemmed, stone tools. Largely because of historical reasons, these two industries have been attributed to the western Eurasian Middle Paleolithic rather than the African Middle Stone Age. In this paper, drawing on our recent excavation of Contrebandiers Cave and other published data, we show that, aside from the presence or absence of tanged pieces, there are no other distinctions between these two industries in terms of either lithic attributes or chronology. Together, these results demonstrate that these two ‘industries’ are instead variants of the same entity. Moreover, several additional characteristics of these assemblages, such as distinctive stone implements and the manufacture and use of bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia.
--On the industrial attributions of the Aterian and Mousterian of the Maghreb, Harold L. Dibble et al.
Journal of Human Evolution, 2013 Elsevier.

quote:
"The method of manufacture of the Jubbah industries differs from the more distinctive techniques described in the extreme southern zones of Arabia, including the Nubian technocomplex in Oman [20] and the production of flakes and blades from flat debitage surfaces at SD-1 in Yemen [22]. Rose et al.[20] have argued that the presence of Nubian core methods in Oman are directly tied to the presence of Homo sapiens in Arabia in MIS 5, whereas Delagnes et al.[22] have argued that the MIS 3 blade and point dominated assemblages in Yemen are broadly reminiscent of techniques that Neanderthals were using in the Levant. The unidirectional convergent technique practiced at JKF-1 and the presence of Levallois points shares some similarities with assemblages in the Levant. Yet, the recovery of a retouched point at JQ-1 and two bifacial pieces at JSM-1 tentatively suggest an affinity with the African Middle Stone Age as opposed to the Levant, where such tool types are absent. Distinctive foliate bifaces, which are present in Africa and southern Arabia, are so far unknown at Jubbah and in northern Arabia."
--Michael D. Petraglia et al.

quote:
"Systematic survey by the Abydos Survey for Paleolithic Sites project has recorded Nubian Complex artifact density, distribution, typology, and technology across the high desert landscape west of the Nile Valley in Middle Egypt. Our work contrasts with previous investigations of Nubian Complex settlement systems in Egypt, which focused on a small number of sites in the terraces of the Nile Valley, the desert oases, and the Red Sea Mountains. Earlier research interpreted the Nubian Complex, in particular, as a radiating settlement system that incorporated a specialized point production. Our high desert data, however, indicate that the Nubian Complex associated with early modern humans in this region of the high desert reflects a circulating, rather than a radiating, settlement system, and that point production has been over-emphasized. Data available from our work, as well as sites investigated by others, do not conclusively identify Nubian Complex behavioral strategies as modern."

"These data, however, do contribute to the understanding of landscape use by early modern human populations living along the Nile Valley Corridor route out of Africa."
--Deborah I. Olszewskia et al.

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Since: Sep 13

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#309 Jan 16, 2014
Wannabe Almoravid wrote:
http://oi55.tinypic.com/293yej m.jpg
http://oi55.tinypic.com/293yejm.jpg
quote:
The Middle Holocene climatic transition
The Middle Holocene, and more precisely the period from around 6400 BP and 5000 BP, was a period of profound environmental change, during which the global climate underwent a systematic reorganisation as the warm, humid post-glacial climate of the Early Holocene gave way to a climatic configuration broadly similar to that of today (Brooks, 2010; Mayewski et al., 2004). The most prominent manifestations of this transition were a cooling at middle and high latitudes and high altitudes (Thompson et al., 2006), a transition from relatively humid to arid conditions in the NHST (Brooks, 2006, 2010; deMenocal et al., 2000) and the establishment of a regular El Niño after a multimillennial period during which is was rare or absent (Sandweiss et al., 2007).

...and blah blah blah, irrelevant climate data which has nothing to do with whether Europeans have Aryan blood, which is the topic of this thread...
Irrelevant, boy. You obviously don't understand what you read. Do you just find anything about anthropology and post it, thinking nobody will know the difference?
But you're attempting to F with the wrong person, boy, because I am educated and quickly see that you're full of crap.
You're a liar and a fraud, boy, as well as a racist.
Up yours.

Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#310 Jan 16, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you please stop your foolishness, there weren't any Eurasian in North Africa, certainly not in Northwest Africa. All shows migration from Africa into Southern Europe, later the levant and the oldest migration route via the Horn into Yemen.
Quote:
Trans-Saharan craniometry. Principal components analysis of craniometric variables closely allies the early Holocene occupants at Gobero, who were buried with Kiffian material culture, with Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene humans from the Maghreb and southern Sahara referred to as Iberomaurusians, Capsians and “Mechtoids.” Outliers to this cluster of populations include an older Aterian sample and the mid-Holocene occupants at Gobero associated with Tenerean material culture.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F1...

...
This is a good example of how Wannabe Almoravid boy doesn't comprehend what he's posting.

This information states that the Aterians (Middle Palaeolithic northern Africans) were OUTLIERS to the cluster of others who were later in the Maghreb.

What does this mean? LOL!!!

It means that the Aterians were Africans, but the later Maghrebians were NOT!!!

Way to go, Afronazi boy! You just punked your own ass!

Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#311 Jan 16, 2014
Wannabe Almoravid wrote:
To understand more about the dispersal of Hg's relating to their locus and the small pockets of tribes moving out of Africa, we have to understand the Nubian complex.
The Nubian Complex.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
http://www.antiquity.ac.uk/projgall/bailey334...
http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1...
The Nubian Complex.
quote:
"Particularly, Yemen has the largest contribution of L lineages (30). So, most probably, this area was the entrance gate of a portion of these lineages in prehistoric times, which participated in the building of the primitive Arabian population."
Under these suppositions, the Arabian Peninsula, as an obliged step between East Africa and South Asia, has gained crucial importance, and indeed several mtDNA studies have recently been published for this region [30-32]. However, it seems that the bulk of the Arab mtDNA lineages have northern Neolithic or more recent Asian or African origins....
--Khaled K Abu-Amero et al.
Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula
quote:
Recent fieldwork has considerably increased our knowledge of early Holocene settlement in Southwest Arabia. Neolithic settlement occurred within an environmental context of increased monsoonal moisture that continued during the mid-Holocene. A now well-attested Bronze Age exemplified by village- and town-scale settlements occupied by sedentary farmers developed toward the end of the mid-Holocene moist interval. The high plateau of Yemen was an early focus for the development of Bronze Age complex society, the economy of which relied upon terraced rain-fed and runoff agriculture. On the fringes of the Arabian desert, the precursors of the Sabaean literate civilization have been traced back to between 3600 and 2800 B.P., and even earlier, so that a virtually continuous archaeological record can now be described for parts of Yemen. In contrast to the highlands these societies relied upon food production from large-scale irrigation systems dependent upon capricious wadi floods. Bronze Age settlement, while showing some links with the southern Levant, now shows equal or stronger linkages with the Horn of Africa across the Red Sea. Although some regions of Yemen show breaks in occupation, others show continuity into the Sabaean period when a series of major towns grew up in response to the incense trade with the north. It is now clear that these civilizations grew up on the foundations of earlier Bronze Age complex societies.
--Christopher Edens, T. J. Wilkinson
Journal of World Prehistory
March 1998, Volume 12, Issue 1, pp 55-119
Southwest Arabia During the Holocene: Recent Archaeological Developments
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%...
http://www.imninalu.net/Myths_files/Arabia.jp...
quote:
The Arab scholars distinguish Arabians as descending from two different stocks: the "original" Arabs ('aribah), whose forefather was Qahtan -Yoqtan- and are the Yemenite group of tribes, and the "arabized" peoples of the north (musta'aribah), whose forefather is said to be Adnan, allegedly an Ishmaelite.
http://www.imninalu.net/myths-Arabs.htm
Here again is nothing relevant to any topic we're discussing, and you post it only to accomplish obfuscation.

Boy.

Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#312 Jan 16, 2014
Wannabe Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
All are clustered with specimen of indigenous Africans, the more you type, the funnier you become.
Quote:
Craniometric data from seven human groups (Tables 3, 4) were subjected to principal components analysis, which allies the early Holocene population at Gobero (Gob-e) with mid-Holocene “Mechtoids” from Mali and Mauritania [18],[26],[27] and with Late Pleistocene Iberomaurusians and early Holocene Capsians from across the Maghreb
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
Figure 6. Principal components analysis of craniofacial dimensions among Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene populations from the Maghreb and southern Sahara.
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
Table 3. Nine human populations sampled for craniometric analysis ranging in age from the Late Pleistocene (ca. 80,000 BP, Aterian) to the mid-Holocene (ca. 4000 BP) and in geographic distribution across the Maghreb to the southern Sahara [18],[19],[26],[27],[54].
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.00029 95.t003
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.ac...
Successes and failures of human dispersals from North Africa
(2011)
http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1...
http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1...
http://origin-ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
Wrong, boy. The information YOU posted contradicts your assertion that Maghrebians since 30k bp cluster with Africans. They specifically do NOT.

You lying piece of feces.

Already there is plenty of proof of Eurasians in the Maghreb for more than 30k years, so since you ignore that and can't refute it... pfffttt... you have nothing to say, boy.
Zombie Corpse Rental

San Jose, CA

#313 Jan 16, 2014
AFG wrote:
Aryans are from central Asia, Europeans aren't!
This completely resolves the issue of black-on-black genocide in black-ruled African countries.

Thank you.

Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#314 Jan 16, 2014
Wannabe Almoravid wrote:
Quote:
The concentration of populations in expanding settlements where surface water is available, and the organisation of these populations into specialised urban and/or stratified state-level societies, is not the only response to increasing aridity evident in the archaeological record. In other words the nature of the response is not determined by the nature of the climatic stress to which people must adapt. Differential adaptation is apparent in response to climatic desiccation in the Fezzan region of southern Libya, where Di Lernia and Palombini (2002) describe two contrasting responses to aridity in the middle Holocene. In higher elevation regions cattle herding, previously the dominant economic activity, almost completely disappeared after 5000 years BP. The keeping of cattle was replaced by highly mobile pastoralism based on sheep and goats and involving large-scale year round movement in order to exploit remnant water and pasture, a nomadic lifestyle that persists to this day. In contrast, lower elevation regions were characterised by increasing settlement in relict oases, associated with sedentism and more intensive exploitation of local resources. Settlement in the relict oases ultimately led to the emergence of the Garamantian civilisation in the early third millennium BP, based on the exploitation of underground water resources via the construction of subterranean irrigation channels or foggara (Wilson and Mattingly, 2003). The Garamantes dominated the Fezzan between about 3000 years BP and 700 years AD, and their society appears to have arisen as the result of local innovation, the outcome of a process of increasing social complexity among the pastoral groups of the Fezzan (Di Lernia et al., 2002; Mattingly, 2003).
--Beyond collapse: the role of climatic desiccation in the emergence of complex societies in the middle Holocene
by Brooks, Nick
Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia, Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK.
Garamantes were not in the Maghreb, boy.

So why do you mention them? Oh yeah, part of your lying obfuscation.

Level 3

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#315 Jan 16, 2014
Wannabe Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, SMH. Simply pathetic.
I have put up the sources for everyone to read. People can see for themselves that I didn't make it up, or lied. Everything I've posted is true. If you can't deal with it, then that's your problem.
Many of the markers you've posted have there locus in Africa amongst indigenous Africans. And further evolved as they moved out, further away from the African continent.
Let me summarize for you quickly how it goes,
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fetchObje...
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fetchObje...
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fetchObje...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
quote:
Coalescent simulations
In coalescent simulation analyses we considered the ancient populations of aUzPo, aBOO, Central/East/Scandinavian European hunter-gatherers (aHG [12],[14], aPWC [13]), and the modern populations of NEE, CE, and Saami (saa). Population statistics (haplotype diversity and fixation indexes, FST) for the ancient and extant populations were calculated in Arlequin version 3.11 (Table 2,[91]).
[...]
We identified remarkable genetic dissimilarities between prehistoric and modern-day North East Europeans/Saami, which suggests an important role of post-Mesolithic migrations from Western Europe and subsequent population replacement/extinctions. This work demonstrates how ancient DNA can improve our understanding of human population movements across Eurasia.
[...]
This work demonstrates how ancient DNA can improve our understanding of human population movements across Eurasia. It contributes to the description of the spatio-temporal distribution of mitochondrial diversity and will be of significance for future reconstructions of the history of Europeans.
[...]
First, ancestors of the Saami were suggested to have reached Fennoscandia from Western Europe along the Atlantic cast of Norway as part of the expansion of Mesolithic post-Ahrensburgian cultures (Fosna-Hensbacka and Komsa) in the early Holocene (~10,000–11,000 yBP). Alternatively, the Saami were proposed to find their origins in Mesolithic post-Swiderian cultures (Kunda, Veretye, Suomusjärvi), which had moved from Poland into NEE also in the early Holocene [24].
[...]
Further temporal population samples will be required, especially along the proposed alternative western migration route into sub-arctic Europe.
--Clio Der Sarkissian et al.(2013)
Ancient DNA Reveals Prehistoric Gene-Flow from Siberia in the Complex Human Population History of North East Europe
<quoted text>--Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza (2001).
Genes, peoples and languages. FARRAR
STRAUS AND GIROUX Publishers
PNAS July 22, 1997 vol. 94 no. 15 7719-7724
http://www.pnas.org/content/94/15/7719.full
Again, irrelevant. Siberians moving into Europe? No kidding.

You really don't even know what you're posting.

You're barely literate, boy.
Citizen 1986

UK

#316 Jan 16, 2014
Zombie Corpse Rental wrote:
<quoted text>This completely resolves the issue of black-on-black genocide in black-ruled African countries.
Thank you.
And also white on white genocide in white ruled countries
Thank you
Citizen 1986

UK

#317 Jan 16, 2014
Ish Tov wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, irrelevant. Siberians moving into Europe? No kidding.
You really don't even know what you're posting.
You're barely literate, boy.
Give it a break the guy is schooling your azz try and learn something and stop making a fool of yourself.
He is got the information from a credible source the link is there click on it. Unlike you that pulls things out of your azz.
Zombie Corpse Rental

San Jose, CA

#318 Jan 16, 2014
Citizen 1986 wrote:
<quoted text>
And also white on white genocide in white ruled countries
Thank you
You must really hate black people.
eurohouse

Voorhees, NJ

#319 Jan 16, 2014
if christopher columbus is not Aryan?? who cares.. he's still the man rigt??
eurohouse

Voorhees, NJ

#320 Jan 16, 2014
he don't even have blue eyes.. fck blue eyes Are inferior..

looking like christopher columbus is superior..
eurohouse

Voorhees, NJ

#321 Jan 16, 2014
oh shit green eyed white people Are superior..

it makes so much sense they Are even more rare than blue eye..
Zanoni_001

Oakland, CA

#322 Jan 16, 2014
AFG wrote:
Aryans are from central Asia, Europeans aren't!
Europeans definitely are Aryans. The Aryan race began with the Semites in the Gobi Desert. From there a group went south into India and the great Indian civilization began. From there they immigrated and created the great Babylonian-Chaldean-Assyrian civilization. Then they moved on and created the Persian-Graeco-Latin empire. The Celts arose but appear to have been short lived. Afterwards the Anglo-Saxon-Teuton people ascended and are still in power. The descendants of the Persian-Graeco-Latins then immigrated to America (specially Mexico and South America) and began to populate the western hemisphere. The mixture of the Persian-Graeco-Latin (specifically the Iberians, Spain and Portugal) and native Americans is forming a sixth race, the bronze race, which is being formed here in America (both north and south.) From the mixture of all the races in the US, the seventh race is being formed. All of these seven sub races are from the Aryan root race which started in the Gobi Desert.
Zanoni_001

Oakland, CA

#323 Jan 16, 2014
eurohouse wrote:
oh shit green eyed white people Are superior..
it makes so much sense they Are even more rare than blue eye..
They are definitely rarer than blue eyed people. Personally, I find them much more exotic! The eyes, I mean.

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