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Helmut Von Schmitlewinkel

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#21 Sep 2, 2013
Phoenix Ascended wrote:
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Weren't the people that conquered the Aztecs, Mayans, and incas conquistadors, from Spain?
Most of them were but there were some from other countries who joined them.

Such as,

"Georg von Speyer (* 1500 in Speyer, Rhineland; † 11 June 1540 in Coro, Venezuela) was a German conquistador in New Granada, now Venezuela and Colombia. His birth name was Georg Hohermuth but he chose to call himself after his place of birth. He is sometimes referred to as Jorge de la Espira, his name in Spanish. He is a significant figure in the history of Klein-Venedig (1528 - 1546), the concession of Venezuela Province to the Welser banking family by Charles I. of Spain."

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#22 Sep 3, 2013
There were many cities in America before the Spanish arrived. Cahokia, Illinois. Teotihuacán. Macchu Picchu.

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#23 Sep 3, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
There were many cities in America before the Spanish arrived. Cahokia, Illinois. Teotihuacán. Macchu Picchu.
There Black civilization in America before the spanish arrived.
Even in California.

"AFRICAN CAVE ART IN BAJA: Red and black African cave rock paintings of Baja California showing prehistoric presence with possibly having crossed the Bering Straight with Siberian origins from the Upper Paleolithic: click, click. THE LEGEND DISCUSSED:
1) Name California first appears in 16th century contract involving complaint against Cortez, click. 2) 1000 ships of Abu Bakari from Africa to North America in 1300 and Cortez’s 300 African sailors to land maps lead him to find, click. 3) Land at right hand of the Indies, click. 4) Large population of people of African descent in California and of 44 people who founded Los Angelas, 26 were of African descent, click. 5) Califia and cave of ships: click. 6) Search of rumored land of gold spurred Cortez on click. 7) Map used by Cortez shows Baja, California as the island he sought click. 8) Early 19th century Harvard scholar traces name of California to 15th century novel click. 9) Ample evidence that Africans long predated Columbus to the Americas."

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#24 Sep 3, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
There were many cities in America before the Spanish arrived. Cahokia, Illinois. Teotihuacán. Macchu Picchu.
Oldest existing cities in present-day USA.

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#25 Sep 3, 2013
Mystery Solver wrote:
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There Black civilization in America before the spanish arrived.
Even in California.
"AFRICAN CAVE ART IN BAJA: Red and black African cave rock paintings of Baja California showing prehistoric presence with possibly having crossed the Bering Straight with Siberian origins from the Upper Paleolithic: click, click. THE LEGEND DISCUSSED:
1) Name California first appears in 16th century contract involving complaint against Cortez, click. 2) 1000 ships of Abu Bakari from Africa to North America in 1300 and Cortez’s 300 African sailors to land maps lead him to find, click. 3) Land at right hand of the Indies, click. 4) Large population of people of African descent in California and of 44 people who founded Los Angelas, 26 were of African descent, click. 5) Califia and cave of ships: click. 6) Search of rumored land of gold spurred Cortez on click. 7) Map used by Cortez shows Baja, California as the island he sought click. 8) Early 19th century Harvard scholar traces name of California to 15th century novel click. 9) Ample evidence that Africans long predated Columbus to the Americas."
There is no such evidence. You Afronazis have to contort and distort things to pretend Africans were in America. They were not.

There is NO evidence for it. NONE!

And this is racist, this culture-genocide attempt to steal Native American civilizations and pretend Africans created them. Are you claiming that Native Americans were too stupid? They required African assistance?

That is just what white racists have said... Native civilizations must have white origins.

You're both, black and white, WRONG.

PS. The founders of L.A. were mostly Mexican. There were Philipinos, Spanish and blacks among them also. This has nothing to do with anybody in precolumbian America.

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#26 Sep 3, 2013
Brainiac2 wrote:
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Oldest existing cities in present-day USA.
Cahokia was a city, and other mound complexes were as well, in the Mississippi and Ohio valleys.

What was going on at Cañón de Chelly is not clear, but that complex looks like it qualifies as urban.

Also, why are the borders of the USA important? The Native peoples were the same peoples on either side of the border. The Mayan languages are related to Penutian languages of California. The Aztecs spoke Nahuatl which is related to Paiute and Hopi.

We have to be careful about making divisions of Native peoples along the USA-Mexico border. Gringo racists use that border to pretend that mexicans aren't “Native Americans”... to divide and conquer, in other words.

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#27 Sep 3, 2013
Cahokia was a city, and other mound complexes were as well, in the Mississippi and Ohio valleys.What was going on at Cañón de Chelly is not clear, but that complex looks like it qualifies as urban.
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Response: I didn’t say they weren’t.
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Also, why are the borders of the USA important?
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Response:

Just making sure you are not misunderstanding what the thread-starter is referring to.

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The Native peoples were the same peoples on either side of the border. The Mayan languages are related to Penutian languages of California. The Aztecs spoke Nahuatl which is related to Paiute and Hopi.We have to be careful about making divisions of Native peoples along the USA-Mexico border. Gringo racists use that border to pretend that Mexicans aren't “Native Americans”... to divide and conquer, in other words.
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The thread was posted with the sole intention of reminding Gringos that Latino presence predates their own in the Americas by hundreds of years. Since Gringos behave as if this were otherise in reference to Latinos within present USA borders, those borders are mentioned.
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Burbank, CA

#28 Sep 3, 2013
Officer Ohara wrote:
USA Oldest CITIES were Spanish founded

First Spanish rule (1513–1763)
Main article: Spanish Florida

A depiction of what might be Florida from the 1502 Cantino map.

Juan Ponce de León.

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Juan Ponce de León was the first European to sight what today is Florida. A legend says he discovered it while searching for the Fountain of Youth. On March 3, 1513, Juan Ponce de León organized and equipped three ships which commenced an expedition departing from "Punta Aguada" Puerto Rico. Although it is often stated that he sighted the peninsula for the first time on March 27, 1513, and thought it was an island, he probably saw one of the Bahama islands.[12]

It was Spanish custom to name a new place after the nearest Roman Catholic feast day.[citation needed] They had just started exploring "new places" for a few decades at most. He arrived on the east coast during the Spanish Easter feast, Pascua Florida, April 7. He named the land La Pascua de la Florida, or "Passion of the Flowers," or "Passion of the Christ".

Ponce de León returned with equipment and settlers to start a colony in 1521, but they were driven off by repeated attacks from the native population. Pánfilo de Narváez's expedition explored Florida's west coast in 1528 but was lost at sea upon his attempted seaward escape to Mexico. Hernando de Soto entered Florida in 1539. In 1559 Tristán de Luna y Arellano established the first settlement in Pensacola but, after a violent hurricane destroyed the area, it was abandoned in 1561.[13]

René Goulaine de Laudonnière founded Fort Caroline in what is now Jacksonville in 1564 as a haven for the Huguenot Protestant refugees from religious persecution.[14] Further down the coast, in 1565 Pedro Menéndez de Avilés founded San Agustín (St. Augustine)[15] which is the oldest continuously inhabited European settlement in any U.S. state. It is second oldest only to San Juan, Puerto Rico in the United States' current territory. From this base of operations, the Spanish began building Catholic missions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Flori...


So is your point that America belongs to Mexicans?
Toomis

Houston, TX

#29 Sep 3, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Cahokia was a city, and other mound complexes were as well, in the Mississippi and Ohio valleys.
What was going on at Cañón de Chelly is not clear, but that complex looks like it qualifies as urban.
Also, why are the borders of the USA important? The Native peoples were the same peoples on either side of the border. The Mayan languages are related to Penutian languages of California. The Aztecs spoke Nahuatl which is related to Paiute and Hopi.
We have to be careful about making divisions of Native peoples along the USA-Mexico border. Gringo racists use that border to pretend that mexicans aren't “Native Americans”... to divide and conquer, in other words.
Their were but a few thousand roaming neolithic natives in the southwest in 1492. Millions of Americans there now that created great works like Colorado dams and irrigation systems. Foreigners like you should STFU with your revolutionary garbage about destroying America. I hope you get your wish and end up selling Chiclets on the street corner.

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#30 Sep 3, 2013
The Conscienceness21 wrote:
<quoted text>So is your point that America belongs to Mexicans?
I think that would be absurd to think that considering the outcome of the Mexican War that occurred.
Officer Ohara

Harrisburg, PA

#31 Sep 3, 2013
The Conscienceness21 wrote:
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So is your point that America belongs to Mexicans?
First, I'm not Mexican.

The USAs present government over the land now called USA is considered legitimate. Its legitimacy was ratified officially via a treaty signed by both the USA and Mexican governments at the conclusion of the Mexican American War and via the Gadsden Purchase some years later which permanently established the present-day borders between the two nations.

However, as in many things political where ethical principles inevitably come to bear, there are opposing views. For example, the issues of the legitimacy of a treaty signed under threat of complete territorial annexation by an occupying militarily stronger enemy rightfully emerges and has been compared to signing a treaty while having a shotgun pointed at your head.
The immediate violation of the treaty-terms by the USA has also been viwed by some as having legally rendered the agreement null by default.

It’s also a recorded, undeniable, historical, fact that the reasons offered by USA war-hawks for initiating the Mexican American War were internationally viewed as mere cunningly prefabricated trumped-up accusations invented by fanatical believers in Manifest Destiny; a doctrine which promulgated the racist belief that North American Immigrant Anglos had a mandate from God, not only to rule from sea to shining sea, but to rule all the Americas as well.

BTW

The pros and cons of these points are regularly and calmly discussed at properly-moderated, history forums. Unfortunately that would prove impossible here since the attempt would be high-jacked and the whole business would rapidly degenerate into a frenzied contest of racist jeering, mindless heckling and jeckling interspersed with emotionally explosive, barrages of rabid, insults all while supposedly- concerned, moderators calmly twiddle their uncaring thumbs or silently snickered at the maliciously contrived irrationalities.

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#32 Sep 3, 2013
Officer Ohara wrote:
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First, I'm not Mexican.
The USAs present government over the land now called USA is considered legitimate. Its legitimacy was ratified officially via a treaty signed by both the USA and Mexican governments at the conclusion of the Mexican American War and via the Gadsden Purchase some years later which permanently established the present-day borders between the two nations.
However, as in many things political where ethical principles inevitably come to bear, there are opposing views. For example, the issues of the legitimacy of a treaty signed under threat of complete territorial annexation by an occupying militarily stronger enemy rightfully emerges and has been compared to signing a treaty while having a shotgun pointed at your head.
The immediate violation of the treaty-terms by the USA has also been viwed by some as having legally rendered the agreement null by default.
It’s also a recorded, undeniable, historical, fact that the reasons offered by USA war-hawks for initiating the Mexican American War were internationally viewed as mere cunningly prefabricated trumped-up accusations invented by fanatical believers in Manifest Destiny; a doctrine which promulgated the racist belief that North American Immigrant Anglos had a mandate from God, not only to rule from sea to shining sea, but to rule all the Americas as well.
BTW
The pros and cons of these points are regularly and calmly discussed at properly-moderated, history forums. Unfortunately that would prove impossible here since the attempt would be high-jacked and the whole business would rapidly degenerate into a frenzied contest of racist jeering, mindless heckling and jeckling interspersed with emotionally explosive, barrages of rabid, insults all while supposedly- concerned, moderators calmly twiddle their uncaring thumbs or silently snickered at the maliciously contrived irrationalities.
That's true!

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