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Heaven is a 'fairy story', says Stephen Hawking

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Dissident
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#1 May 16, 2011
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...

British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.

The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.

"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."

Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.

In "A Brief History of Time" he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.

But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.

Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser..........
Jeff

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#2 May 16, 2011
and he is 100% RIGHT, as usual. ;-)
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#3 May 16, 2011
Jeff wrote:
and he is 100% RIGHT, as usual. ;-)
16May11....50% right.

Ps: There is a heaven for 'non-broken down' computers.

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#4 May 16, 2011
Dissident wrote:
There will be very few trolls talking about this post!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...
British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.
The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.
In "A Brief History of Time" he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.
Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser..........
He has the right to an opinion. I think it is rather presumptuous to assume that science can either prove or disprove the existence of God. Just as it is presumptuous to think that religious works determine scientific fact.

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#6 May 16, 2011
Well, he can believe what he likes. No one says he couldn't. Just hate it when people always want to undermine a religion just because they disagree with it. Ya you have your opinion, but still show some sort of courtesy and respect for others and their belief.
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#7 May 16, 2011
Dissident wrote:
There will be very few trolls talking about this post!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...
British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.
The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.
In "A Brief History of Time" he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.
Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser..........
He states he no longer believes in a deity in light of a series of developments in physics, which is ever evolving, correct? They've only scratched the surface on scientific discoveries. All knowledge has yet to be revealed. It is kind of presumption of him to make such a statement.

He's analytic, not spiritual and it takes a spiritual mind to envision a supreme being or a divine creator. I suggest it's beyond his comprehension no matter how brilliant he may be.

Funny thing is that he believe in Aliens and has advised us not to engage them assuming they may have the same aggressive nature as humans and would want our resources, lol. But no divine creator. Go figure.
Dolphinus

Oldsmar, FL

#8 May 16, 2011
All knowledge is already revealed.Its in your DNA. You are just re-discovering it.
You are the God you seek.
Heaven is a state of mind.

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#9 May 16, 2011
Dissident wrote:
There will be very few trolls talking about this post!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...
British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.
The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.
In "A Brief History of Time" he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.
Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser..........
If there is a Heaven, he probably wouldn't be going anyway, lol
fair_guy

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#10 May 16, 2011
Dissident wrote:
There will be very few trolls talking about this post!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...
British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.
The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.
In "A Brief History of Time" he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.
Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser..........
This++

Hawking FTW!
wat

Downingtown, PA

#11 May 16, 2011
I don't know what happens when I die. Wither there is some form of afterlife, reincarnation, or nothingness as it was before my birth is something I will only know when I die. Personally I don't believe in a heaven or hell, because delusory beings in the heavens with magical powers such as turning water to wine and walking on lakes is far from the logic I was raised to believe. They are just fairy tale concepts that sheeple believe in to give them comfort when they die or convince terrorists that they will get 72 virgins in heaven if they drive planes into buildings.
JUST ONCE

Lithia Springs, GA

#14 May 16, 2011
Every society since primitive man has promulgated an "after life" concept. The more advanced the civilizations became, the more advanced the concept of an after life with the invention of all kinds of gods and spirits. It simply grew out of ignorance and the belief that "THERE MUST BE MORE AFTER I'M GONE." Some have just taken it to a more sophisticated art form. After life is and eternity of nothingness that no one will ever know anything about. But if you become a tree, a cow, or live on in the smoke, or levitate someplace into space, that is anyone's right to believe. Enjoy the journey of life, it, from all indications is the only one you will ever remember.
Frank

Hamtramck, MI

#15 May 16, 2011
Dissident wrote:
There will be very few trolls talking about this post!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...
British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.
He feels that way because of his handicap.

Even Christ asked, "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

NO man can comprehend the INCOMPREHENSIBLE GOD!!!!
Norman Mormon

Virginia Beach, VA

#16 May 17, 2011
Dissident wrote:
There will be very few trolls talking about this post!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...
British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.
The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.
In "A Brief History of Time" he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.
But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.
Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser..........
if there's no heaven then how are there ghost around?why is it that scientist as well as doctors can't explain peoples vivid recall of near death experience?
Frank

Hamtramck, MI

#17 May 17, 2011
Dissident wrote:
The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.
His opinion is partly based on his handicap.

He said so himself.
Norman Mormon

Virginia Beach, VA

#18 May 17, 2011
wat wrote:
I don't know what happens when I die. Wither there is some form of afterlife, reincarnation, or nothingness as it was before my birth is something I will only know when I die. Personally I don't believe in a heaven or hell, because delusory beings in the heavens with magical powers such as turning water to wine and walking on lakes is far from the logic I was raised to believe. They are just fairy tale concepts that sheeple believe in to give them comfort when they die or convince terrorists that they will get 72 virgins in heaven if they drive planes into buildings.
men lie,the bible even reads of it,how?because god knew man would try to change his word around to benefit from it.i found somethings hard to believe.i don't trust any man,so i opened up my heart and i prayed(even though i didn't know how)and i asked god to show me the truth

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#19 May 17, 2011
Christopher Keller wrote:
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He has the right to an opinion. I think it is rather presumptuous to assume that science can either prove or disprove the existence of God. Just as it is presumptuous to think that religious works determine scientific fact.
Thus the reason why I'm an agnostic Christian.

There is so much of a vastness out there and such a terminally incomplete mental database of human knowledge to acquire, it's virtually impossible to know for certain.

Consider this...

The claims about gods are very hard to prove right, which easily makes many of them very certainly wrong, although I think they're very good as a way for different religious folks to put a face on a divine being if there or the world around us, so I don't really overtly mind sans the hardcore religious fundies and extremists which I find disgusting and often major hypocrites to their own alleged faith.

But at the same time, the religion that most secular people use of science is just as much an insufficient lense. And yes, refute me as you might, science is a religion of sorts because it takes faith to believe it's claims to be true and to prove them. It's just one that uses a mix of quantitative and qualitative analysis and lots of mathematics, observation, etc. of our own world/universe and just like religion it can be disproven and in some cases have.

How many times has science been proven wrong? Scientifically there have been in the past scientific claims/notions, many made by religious belief, that mental/emotional illness was the result of witchcraft or demonic posession, homosexuality was a mental illness (and was at one time on the early DSM manual's diagnostic criteria), the earth was flat, and we couldn't get a man on the moon. All of this was proven wrong. All of this was scientific BELIEF. Therefore science can be proven wrong.

The very fact we have scientific ADVANCEMENT implies a flaw in the idea of science, because if science were perfect there would be nothing to advance to because we know everything in science. And is it possible to know everything through it? Not a 100% impossibility, but still highly unlikely considering the circumstances of our very existence.

Look at the universe a system that is said to be 14 billion (?) years old, Earth being only 4 billion (?), life being on it for 2 billion (?), and the more advanced forms of life on Earth being only within the last 1 billion years and rapidly during. So there were MANY billions of years before Earth was even a molten pile of rock and thus the universe expanded incredibly so by the time we as humans got here, we were right from the getgo, tiny specs on a vast universe that even as I speak continues to expand and further minoritizes us in scope and importance.

At the same time consider human reality. We, like all life are flawed and have intellecual and biological limitations that even through further evolution and, in the future, genetic engineering, biomechanical enhancment, and other human advancements STILL would not be able to comprehend all of that. This makes our scientific knowledge, like all our knowledge, flawed and continuously so with a constant subjective margin of error being room for further advancement. How do we know that trough that infinite, there isn't a god of some kind?

I like Stephen Hawking and he is a very smart man, but even he has admitted to not knowing certain things by saying he doesn't know about this or that (he has, it was on the Discovery Channel).

I don't think it's fair for him to automatically assess what he did, nor is it necessarily correct largely because the debate on scientific grounds is largely useless.

BTW, I also believe that atheism is a religion of the inverse order. It takes just as much faith to believe a god doesn't exist as it does to believe on does.

I've said my bit.
Frank

Hamtramck, MI

#20 May 17, 2011
Dissident wrote:
"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers;...
What Mr. Hawkins doesn't understand is that men are not only physical, but SPIRITUAL BEINGS!

Computers are only PHYSICAL, and have no soul.
Frank

Hamtramck, MI

#21 May 17, 2011
MasterOfPuppets wrote:
I like Stephen Hawking and he is a very smart man, but even he has admitted to not knowing certain things by saying he doesn't know about this or that (he has, it was on the Discovery Channel).
You're referring to the Hawkins Paradox and his flawed theory on black holes.

He is ALSO wrong about there being no afterlife or heaven!

To know what you know and know WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW is characteristic of one who knows!
Frank

Hamtramck, MI

#22 May 17, 2011
Hawkins Paradox = Hawking's Paradox
wat

Downingtown, PA

#23 May 17, 2011
Norman Mormon wrote:
<quoted text>men lie,the bible even reads of it,how?because god knew man would try to change his word around to benefit from it.i found somethings hard to believe.i don't trust any man,so i opened up my heart and i prayed(even though i didn't know how)and i asked god to show me the truth
I used to be a Christian until I was 18. If I was born in India I would be a Hindu. If I was born in Thailand I would be a Buddhist. What makes Christianity so special compared to any other religion? Religion is just a cultural thing that people just call themselves because that's what their parents brought them up as. I have adopted a deist/pantheist view towards the concept of a creator/supreme being.

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