Africans in ancient Greek mythology
Barros Serrano

United States

#82 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
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1.jeff wont even admit phoenician influence on greece because it leads to some uncomfortable questions lol
2.but the vinca influence is pure speculation and nothing more
3.i didnt say the greeks were solely the influence on greeks
1. Greek alphabet proven by overwhelming similarity to derive from vincan
2. Greece and Vincan European cultures entirely
3. Vincan Y-DNA predominantly Cro-Magnon I type
4. Vincan culture derived from earlier Neolithic culture of that region
5. Influence on Greek civilization coming from civilizations in the region, either Vincan-infuenced, Anatolian or Aryan (from north and south of the Black Sea)

Afronazis... whatchagonnado?

And... back to the topic, from which lying cladeboy deviated as it is a lost cause...

GREEK cosmology is of a kind with other Aryan cosmologies, from Ireland to India. The parallels are so obvious as to not require that I list them.

Who does Zeus remind you of? LOL!!!

What a lying lowlife you are, boy!
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#83 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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1. Greek alphabet proven by overwhelming similarity to derive from vincan
2. Greece and Vincan European cultures entirely
3. Vincan Y-DNA predominantly Cro-Magnon I type
4. Vincan culture derived from earlier Neolithic culture of that region
5. Influence on Greek civilization coming from civilizations in the region, either Vincan-infuenced, Anatolian or Aryan (from north and south of the Black Sea)
Afronazis... whatchagonnado?
And... back to the topic, from which lying cladeboy deviated as it is a lost cause...
GREEK cosmology is of a kind with other Aryan cosmologies, from Ireland to India. The parallels are so obvious as to not require that I list them.
Who does Zeus remind you of? LOL!!!
What a lying lowlife you are, boy!
troll

whos alphabet did the greeks use

vinca or phoenician?????
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#84 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
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troll
whos alphabet did the greeks use
vinca or phoenician?????
Vinca since Linears A & B are derived from it and Linear B unlike Phoencian had VOWELS, Phoencian did NOT have vowels; Linear B was also written from left to right like Greek, unlike Phoencian which was written from RIGHT to LEFt.
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#85 Feb 7, 2013
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#86 Feb 7, 2013
If people want to know what ancient Greeks looked like, look at their mosaics. The ancient Greeks did thousands of mosaics and Iv never seen one showing a black person just some Arabs. DNA testing of ancient Greeks show them to be 97% Caucasian!
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#87 Feb 7, 2013
at what period of time did the vincans influence greek writing,

1.what era

2.if vincan writing has been around from thousands of years bc, when and how did it reach the greeks

3.why did the greeks only have reading and writing only a few thousand instead of before egypt, etc ?
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#88 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
http://www.crystalinks.com/pho enician.html
scroll down page
That doesn't change the fact that Linears A & B are derived from Vinca and Linears A & B unlike Phoencian had VOWELS (so what Phoencian letters did the Greeks use in their alphabet for Vowels when Phoencian did not have Vowels?....ooops another contradictory that doesn't support this claim....also Linear B was written from left to right like Greek, unlike Phoencian which was written from RIGHT to LEFt.
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#89 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
at what period of time did the vincans influence greek writing,
1.what era
2.if vincan writing has been around from thousands of years bc, when and how did it reach the greeks
3.why did the greeks only have reading and writing only a few thousand instead of before egypt, etc ?
Vinca was in Greece's BACK YARD, Phoenicians and the Egyptians were in other CONTINENTS. Greeks had Much More Often contact with people in their home regions then with people in other continents. So Greeks had contact and knowledge of Vinca script long before any Phoenician script or Egyptian scripts, especially when Linears A and B show to have more similarities in writing styles and script i.e. they had VOWELS with Greek, while the Phoenician script did not even have VOWELS. Linears A and B were written like Greek from LEFT TO RIGHT, while Phoenician was written from RIGHT TO LEFT. Greek had more in common with its European Balkan scripts then with any scripts found in other continents.
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#90 Feb 7, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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That doesn't change the fact that Linears A & B are derived from Vinca and Linears A & B unlike Phoencian had VOWELS (so what Phoencian letters did the Greeks use in their alphabet for Vowels when Phoencian did not have Vowels?....ooops another contradictory that doesn't support this claim....also Linear B was written from left to right like Greek, unlike Phoencian which was written from RIGHT to LEFt.
jeff its common knowledge the the greeks got there alphabet from the phoenicians.

wheres the greek scripts and books from thousands of years bc, since they were influenced by the vincans, wheres the greek writing/books/scripts before the sumerians and egyptians and others were around,?????????
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#91 Feb 7, 2013
The majority of the letters of the Phoenician alphabet were adopted into Greek with much the same sounds as they had had in Phoenician. However Phoenician, like other Semitic scripts, has a range of consonants, commonly called gutturals, which did not exist in Greek:’&#257;leph [&#660;], h&#275; [h, e, a], &#7717;&#275;th [&#295;], and ‘ayin [&#661;]. Of these, only &#7717;&#275;th was retained in Greek as a consonant, eta, representing the [h] sound in those dialects which had an [h], while the consonants ’&#257;leph, h&#275;, and ‘ayin became the vowels alpha [a], e [e] and o [o], respectively.*

Phoenician had foreshadowed the development of vowel letters with a limited use of matres lectionis, that is, consonants that pulled double duty as vowels, which for historical reasons occurred mostly at the ends of words. For example, the two letters w&#257;w and y&#333;dh stood for both the approximant consonants [w] and [j], and the long vowels [u] and [i] in Phoenician. By this point in time Greek had lost its [j] sound, so Phoenician y&#333;dh was used only for its vocalic value, becoming the Greek vowel letter iota [i]. However, several Greek dialects still had a [w] sound, and here w&#257;w was used for both of its Phoenician values, but with different forms: as the Greek letter digamma for the consonant [w], and as the letter upsilon for the vowel [u]. Upsilon was added at the end of the alphabet, perhaps to avoid upsetting the alphabetic order that was used in Greek numerals. Phoenician h&#275; had been used as a mater lectionis for both [a] and [e] in addition to [h], but in Greek it was restricted to [e]; its value [a] was instead written with the acrophonic letter ’&#257;leph, while Greek [h] was written with &#7717;eth.

All Phoenician letters had been acrophonic. Since the names of the letters ’&#257;leph and h&#275; were pronounced [aleph] and [e] by the Greeks, with initial vowels due to the silent gutturals (the disambiguation e psilon "narrow e" came later), the acrophonic principle was retained for vowels as well as consonants by using them for the Greek vowel sounds [a] and [e]. Only the letter ‘ayin for [o] needed a change of name (o, later o micron) to maintain this principle.

Phoenician also had an "emphatic" consonant, &#7789;&#275;th, which did not exist in Greek. However, Greek had an aspiration distinction which Phoenician did not, and used &#7789;&#275;th for aspirated [t&#688;].

The Phoenician consonants kaph and q&#333;ph represented sounds which were not distinctive in Greek—at most, they may have been identified with allophones determined by the following vowel. The letter qoppa was used in certain Greek dialects (notably the western dialects which ultimately gave rise to Etruscan and eventually the Latin alphabet) but elsewhere dropped out of general use.

Phoenician had three letters, s&#257;mekh, &#7779;&#257;d&#27 5;, and šin, representing three or probably four voiceless sibilant sounds, where Greek only required one. The history here is complicated, but basically s&#257;mekh dropped out in certain dialects, and was reused to represent [ks] in others, while usage for the [s] sound varied between &#7779;&#257;d&#27 5; and šin. The letter now known as sigma took its name from s&#257;mekh but its form from šin, while the letter San, which occurred in a few dialects
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#92 Feb 7, 2013
THX Repatriation Czar wrote:
"African SLAVES in ancient Greek mythology"
FTFY
Where? Show us the facts!
Barros Serrano

United States

#93 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
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troll
whos alphabet did the greeks use
vinca or phoenician?????
You uneducated halfwit, the Greeks used the Greek alphabet. And what did their ancestors use, the so-called Mycenaeans? Linear A, Linear B, and that derived from Vincan.

Likely Phoenician likewise ultimately derived from Vincan.

Likely Egyptian as well.

What denial you are in, schmuck. Here's Vincan alphabet, nearly identical to Sumerian, 5000 bc, and you're trying to pretend there's some other source for alphabets in the wider region, let alone in Greece very close to Vinca.

Cretin.
Barros Serrano

United States

#94 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
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jeff its common knowledge the the greeks got there alphabet from the phoenicians.
wheres the greek scripts and books from thousands of years bc, since they were influenced by the vincans, wheres the greek writing/books/scripts before the sumerians and egyptians and others were around,?????????
No, not common knowedge. It is an obsolete idea. In part we can blame Childe for this.

In any case, we now know that civilization in southern Iran was older than in Mesopotamia or Egypt, and we also know that civilization in SE Europe was as well, and this civilization, Vinca, 5000 bc, was the antecedent for not only Minoa but Greece as well.

And they were some peeled-skin cave apes, too, fool.
Barros Serrano

United States

#95 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
at what period of time did the vincans influence greek writing,
1.what era
2.if vincan writing has been around from thousands of years bc, when and how did it reach the greeks
3.why did the greeks only have reading and writing only a few thousand instead of before egypt, etc ?
Vincan writing was spread to a number of cultures, including Sumer. The influence on Greece was not direct.

But Greek writing cannot have come from the Phoenicians. There is continuity between Vincan and Mycenaean writing.

Many aspects of ancient life now have to be seen to trace to Vinca. Pretending that isn't so is the legacy of the past, when Vinca was ignored.

A full-blown civilization and 5000-yr-old writing cannot be forever ignored, however.

And the writing at Jiroft was Elamite... care to chase that one around? LOL!!!
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#96 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>
jeff its common knowledge the the greeks got there alphabet from the phoenicians.
wheres the greek scripts and books from thousands of years bc, since they were influenced by the vincans, wheres the greek writing/books/scripts before the sumerians and egyptians and others were around,?????????
Where did the vowels come from since Phoencians did not have vowels in their alphabet? I've posted where the Greek scripts were many times over. Vinca, Linear A and Linear B had vowels just like Greek, they were written from LEFT to RIGHT just like Greek, while Phoencian was written from RIGHT to LEFT, NOT like Greek. The assumption that the Greeks learnt the alphabet from the Phoenicians is based on Herodotus who made that claim in his Histories. What Herodotus did not know was that his ancestors were writing nearly one thousand years before his birth in the script we know as Linear B.
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#97 Feb 7, 2013
because it looks exact copy of the phoenician one

http://www.crystalinks.com/phoenician.html

??????????
Jeff

Framingham, MA

#98 Feb 7, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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No, not common knowedge. It is an obsolete idea. In part we can blame Childe for this.
In any case, we now know that civilization in southern Iran was older than in Mesopotamia or Egypt, and we also know that civilization in SE Europe was as well, and this civilization, Vinca, 5000 bc, was the antecedent for not only Minoa but Greece as well.
And they were some peeled-skin cave apes, too, fool.
And the oldest town/city in Europe was actually found in Bulgaria.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/...
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#99 Feb 7, 2013
a fort when you said city or town i fought you meant a real one not a fort
Barros Serrano

United States

#100 Feb 7, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
because it looks exact copy of the phoenician one
http://www.crystalinks.com/phoenician.html
??????????
Sumerian alphabet looks like an exact copy of the Vincan one...

Whatchagonnado? LOL... It all traces back to Vinca.
Barros Serrano

United States

#101 Feb 7, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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And the oldest town/city in Europe was actually found in Bulgaria.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/...
Apparently that is part of Vincan civiization. The cemetery mentioned, at Varna, contained Vincan-style goods. Artifacts from Varna were displayed at the museum exhibit (in the Youtube I posted) of Vinca artifacts.

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