REVOLUTIONARIES in AA Forum: ARE ther...

REVOLUTIONARIES in AA Forum: ARE there any?

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“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#1 Mar 25, 2013
Once the national black community was full of revolutionaries. I've even met a few of the 1960s revolutionaries in the middle or old age: Angela Y. Davis, Huey P. Newton, Stokely Carmichael, Kathleen Cleaver & even CLR James.
These were/are men and women devoted to bring about a fundamental change in the sociel order, and in our order of values.
Freedom, self-determination, the transcendence of racism and economic exploitation. And, in Fanon's words, the settting "afoot of the New Man."
What they seek is as much a moral and spiritual revolution as an economic and political one.
In the 1960s, many gave their lives for the liberation of our people, black people, and indeed oppressed people throughout the land and throughout the world.
Even thier idea of freedom was different, as in no. 1 of the Ten Point Prgoram of the Black Panther Party: "We want FREEDOM. We want the power to determine the destiny of our Black community."
Community was at the heart of the very conception of freedom. And then you had Dr. King with his idea of Beloved Community.

Do we have it in us now to be revolutionaries? Or are we totally immersed and bemused by the toxic culture of consumerism and narcissism?
Have we a vision of a better life transcending the Established order?

“Leading the Revolution”

Level 6

Since: Oct 09

United States

#3 Mar 25, 2013
Yes there are many the problem is their voices are being drowned out by those puppets. I would suggest checking out Dr
Jeffries, Dr Umar Johnson, Dr. Cresling, Dr. Henrik Clarke there are others, but this is a great start
Synopsis

UK

#4 Mar 25, 2013
Still some of us whisteling in the wind of discord and confusion but steadfast in our objectives of a coeherent and established black agenda of self determination and profound positive change. The work continues not in pontification but by deeds and exemplary behaviour.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#5 Mar 25, 2013
What vision of a radically new social order do we have? What kind of values will characterize the new society?

“It is, what it is ”

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Since: Mar 13

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#6 Mar 25, 2013
We have a bunch of no good Arm-Chair Revolutionaries who prey on the ignorance of our people just to sell bogus DVDs, stage comical debates at twenty dollars an ignorant black face and sell books better used as toilet paper..smh

Mr. Savant,

Please spare us the revolutionary crap. It's all a fantasy. We need to talk about our real problems of why we cannot function in modern western society.

Here listen to Dr. Manning and Mr. 5723Michael

and let me know how we can move foward.

You seem like a intelligent individual, but I believe just misguided.



https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Here is Mr.5723Michael

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Please take the time to listen to the message from both these strong brothers.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#8 Mar 26, 2013
Brother Realist wrote:
We have a bunch of no good Arm-Chair Revolutionaries who prey on the ignorance of our people just to sell bogus DVDs, stage comical debates at twenty dollars an ignorant black face and sell books better used as toilet paper..smh
Mr. Savant,
Please spare us the revolutionary crap. It's all a fantasy. We need to talk about our real problems of why we cannot function in modern western society.
Here listen to Dr. Manning and Mr. 5723Michael
and let me know how we can move foward.
You seem like a intelligent individual, but I believe just misguided.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =AuwlqeNRElIXX
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Here is Mr.5723Michael
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Please take the time to listen to the message from both these strong brothers.
Fred Hampton was not an armchair revolutionary. The corporate police state doesn't usually bother to take out arm chair revolutionaries. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr and others were not armchair revolutionaries.
Revolution involves a process of radical social transformation, and a tremendous degree of commitment.
Do we have such people today?

“Leading the Revolution”

Level 6

Since: Oct 09

United States

#9 Mar 26, 2013
See my post above

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Since: Feb 11

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#10 Mar 26, 2013
Savant wrote:
Once the national black community was full of revolutionaries. I've even met a few of the 1960s revolutionaries in the middle or old age: Angela Y. Davis, Huey P. Newton, Stokely Carmichael, Kathleen Cleaver & even CLR James.
These were/are men and women devoted to bring about a fundamental change in the sociel order, and in our order of values.
Freedom, self-determination, the transcendence of racism and economic exploitation. And, in Fanon's words, the settting "afoot of the New Man."
What they seek is as much a moral and spiritual revolution as an economic and political one.
In the 1960s, many gave their lives for the liberation of our people, black people, and indeed oppressed people throughout the land and throughout the world.
Even thier idea of freedom was different, as in no. 1 of the Ten Point Prgoram of the Black Panther Party: "We want FREEDOM. We want the power to determine the destiny of our Black community."
Community was at the heart of the very conception of freedom. And then you had Dr. King with his idea of Beloved Community.
Do we have it in us now to be revolutionaries? Or are we totally immersed and bemused by the toxic culture of consumerism and narcissism?
Have we a vision of a better life transcending the Established order?
Revolutionaries for what??? You got a Black man as president, plenty of Black millioniares, Jim Crow was abolished in the South decades ago. All the problems now, like more than half of Black youth not graduating from school, getting involved in crime, single mothers on the rise are INTERNAL issues. In other words your own damn problems. It has to be fixed from inside, talk to the youth, restructure the value system. That's where you community leaders and organizers need to step up they game. Those need to be your revolutionaries for a revolution WITHIN the Black community to get yo shit together.

And stop this blaming Whitey BS. Cuz you ain't going to get no more from us.

Since: Jun 12

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#11 Mar 26, 2013
@Savant..IMO we have no use for black revolutionaries anymore on, or offline..all that heavy lifting has been done...we should respect their good works and move on.

Since: Jun 12

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#12 Mar 26, 2013
Brother Realist wrote:
Please spare us the revolutionary crap. It's all a fantasy. We need to talk about our real problems of why we cannot function in modern western society.
What do you mean when you say “WE”..are you just talking about blacks..if you are then you are a damn fool...you need to start looking at the bigger picture fool...there are more wayward whites than there are blacks you idiot.

Has it ever occurred to you that there are people that have it just as hard and/or even worse than you...you may be shocked to know there are people that would give there right arm to be where you are. Therefore it all boils down to choices..we have NO control over the choices/direction people choose.

This is basically the aftermath of globalisation..long gone are the days where you get bored with a job..walk across the street and start a new job..those days are gone...we need to somehow go full circle and reverse that.

I didn't watch your videos btw..keep it short ffs.

Since: Jun 12

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#13 Mar 26, 2013
@Brother Realist..your inner city is no different than mine..all the factories have been shut down...it is all about services now..we don’t make sh!t anymore. Can we reverse it..will it take a humongous war to reverse it?..who knows..I do know the roof will blow one day..that much I am sure of.

Since: Jun 12

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#14 Mar 26, 2013
the roof will blow off one day..that much I am sure of and, it will be the conservatives that will drive us to the brink.

Since: Jun 12

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#15 Mar 26, 2013
conservatives just can’t help letting us know that they don’t give a fu..ck about us...I’ll charge you extra rent and property tax even though you don’t have a job and you are on the dole..bashtards...you have to find the money to pay the extra expense.

It’s like camshaft is trying to go one better that thatcher.

Since: Jun 12

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#16 Mar 26, 2013
I can understand why those conservative blue dogs lost half their members and, they are just a watered down version of a true conservative.

Fiscal?..my azz LOL.

-0h_really-

“I've got a GREAT idea!”

Since: Mar 13

Let's BUZZ Lower Manhattan....

#17 Mar 27, 2013
freddie47 wrote:
@Savant..IMO we have no use for black revolutionaries anymore on, or offline..all that heavy lifting has been done...we should respect their good works and move on.
The idiot savant has no respect for the equalk rights movement.
In fact,
Savant wrote:
ONLY to BLACK people.
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T2CMEIMCH0LED...

by authoring threads that resemble circa 1952 LUNCH COUNTERS,

....he's a proponent FOR segregation.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#18 Mar 27, 2013
McAlister73 wrote:
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Revolutionaries for what??? You got a Black man as president, plenty of Black millioniares, Jim Crow was abolished in the South decades ago. All the problems now, like more than half of Black youth not graduating from school, getting involved in crime, single mothers on the rise are INTERNAL issues. In other words your own damn problems. It has to be fixed from inside, talk to the youth, restructure the value system. That's where you community leaders and organizers need to step up they game. Those need to be your revolutionaries for a revolution WITHIN the Black community to get yo shit together.
And stop this blaming Whitey BS. Cuz you ain't going to get no more from us.
Revolution to end the tyranny of the coporate racist state, and the racist capitalist order of society.
Revolutions are always from within and without; involving a radical transformation of the social order(its institutions, for examples) and a radical transformation of values and interhuman relations.
And while you obviously don't know this, you bemused millions of WHITE SERFS need a revolution nearly as badly as do we Blacks.
But the main difference between we Blacks and yourselves, is that most of us know we're not free, while you believe you are.

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Since: Jul 08

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#20 Mar 27, 2013
Savant wrote:
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Revolution to end the tyranny of the coporate racist state, and the racist capitalist order of society.
Revolutions are always from within and without; involving a radical transformation of the social order(its institutions, for examples) and a radical transformation of values and interhuman relations.
And while you obviously don't know this, you bemused millions of WHITE SERFS need a revolution nearly as badly as do we Blacks.
But the main difference between we Blacks and yourselves, is that most of us know we're not free, while you believe you are.
Not everybody is evolved enough for capitalism and democracy.
More intelligent types can make the present system work for them. In fact so many do. I give kudos to our president Obama for being the shrewd wheeler dealer that he is.

That you complain that the system is unfair or inscrutable, only proves that you are incompetent; what most would refer to as a loser.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Level 8

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#21 Mar 27, 2013
freddie47 wrote:
@Savant..IMO we have no use for black revolutionaries anymore on, or offline..all that heavy lifting has been done...we should respect their good works and move on.
When racism and exploitation disappears, then we can move on. But it will not just disappear, we must abolish it.
When the degradation of women ends, then we can move on. Bu tit won't end by itself. We must end it.
When there are no longer 12 million children going to bed hungry every night in the world's richest country, then we can move on.
But this won't happen automatically. WE must END hunger and the rapacious economic system which causes it.
When militarism and imperialism disappears, then we can move on. But it won't happen automatically. We must abolish militarism and imperialism.
When have a free, just and cooperative society, then we can move FORWARD. But that won't happen automatically. We must CREATE such a society, such a COMMUNITY OF FREEDOM which affirms not only the dignity of our people, but the dignity of every man, woman and child on earth.
This is whole aim or REVOLUTION, the MEANING of revolution.
We've a choice: to OPPOSE the establish order and create a NEW one, or to surrender and collaborate with the existing system of injustice.
I choose to oppose and CREATE...LIberation for my people, and justice for humankind.
FREEDOM RISING!

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#22 Mar 27, 2013
_0h-Rea11y_ wrote:
Whay a WHINEY little CRYbaby.....smh....
Isn't he correct? You falsely believe yourself to be "free."
In your case though, I believe that you relentlessly try to *convince* yourself that you are free.

But no human can be free in the absence of love - and you are neither loved nor cherished by your fellow Caucasian-Americans.

Level 8

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#23 Mar 27, 2013
Savant wrote:
What vision of a radically new social order do we have? What kind of values will characterize the new society?
LOVE is one of the most fundamental values of all. It has to be a love that transcends the current worship of money and materialism.

My current love interest is Caucasian but is an educator like yourself. She educates primarily minority youngsters and I know that she pours her heart into her work with a kind of dedication that she could likely never muster for the benefit of a Wall Street investment firm.

So, I would immediately say that LOVE and EDUCATION or learning would be foremost among the values of the new society.

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