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Almoravid

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#25081 Jul 5, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
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You're in denial... and a liar, boy.
Yes, we've already discussed skin-color gene from OOA time. You're boring me, boy.
And skin color is far from the most important trait to worry about here. It has nothing to do with ancestry, really. It is a reflection of evolution by natural selection.
Y and mtDNA tell the story, boy.
EURasians!!!
Ps. This "Eurasian obsession" by you is unhealthy. LOL

You do know that the from cro magnon died out about 15Kya, do you?

Anyway,

quote:
Abstract

Cylindrical objects made usually of fired clay but sometimes of stone were found at the Yarmukian Pottery Neolithic sites of Sha‘ar HaGolan and Munhata (first half of the 8th millennium BP) in the Jordan Valley. Similar objects have been reported from other Near Eastern Pottery Neolithic sites. Most scholars have interpreted them as cultic objects in the shape of phalli, while others have referred to them in more general terms as “clay pestles,”“clay rods,” and “cylindrical clay objects.” Re-examination of these artifacts leads us to present a new interpretation of their function and to suggest a reconstruction of their technology and mode of use. We suggest that these objects were components of fire drills and consider them the earliest evidence of a complex technology of fire ignition, which incorporates the cylindrical objects in the role of matches.

[...]

Drilling has been documented as early as the Natufian culture (15,000–11,700 years calBP) through increased numbers of cap stones and drilled stones including beads [26]–[27].

--Naama Goren-Inbar et al.

The Earliest Matches

Received: May 15, 2012; Accepted: July 2, 2012; Published: August 1, 2012

PLoS ONE 7(8): e42213. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.00422 13

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F1...
Gmoney AKA Big G

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#25082 Jul 5, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
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You're in denial... and a liar, boy.
Yes, we've already discussed skin-color gene from OOA time. You're boring me, boy.
And skin color is far from the most important trait to worry about here. It has nothing to do with ancestry, really. It is a reflection of evolution by natural selection.
Y and mtDNA tell the story, boy.
EURasians!!!
You discussed it. So what??? Anyone can discuss it. You haven't proved that skin lightening genes existed in OOA.... It is definitely not the most important point to prove that people were Afroasiatics during the first 30,000 years outside of Africa, but it is one of the traits that originate in Africa. Also, your the one who is so relentless in your efforts to prove that these people were a white or light complexion immediately after OOA so it's obviously of some importance to you.
Almoravid

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#25083 Jul 5, 2014
Eric456 wrote:
It is hilarious how Afrocentrics keep using outdated quotes that just state Cro-Magnons where homosapiens to promote their Afrocentric delusions. Recent scientific findings in both genetics as well as cranofacial data shows that Cro-Magnons had the most similarities with Northern Europeans and LEAST similarities with Sub Saharan Africans. lol!
"I was able to get just under 20 measurements on Cro Magnon of the two dozen data set I have used to compare populations in the world and the statistics showed convincingly that while Cro Magnon does not tie in with the recent French, IT DOES INDEED TIE CLOSELY WITH OUR ENGLISH AND SCANDINAVIAN SAMPLES. What we have been able to show is that the Upper Paleolithic and subsequent Mesolithic of northwest Europe simply developed there in situ out of Neanderthal precursors. We published some of this in Human Evolution 19(1):19-38 (2005) and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103(1):242-247 (2006). " ~ C. L. Brace 2005
Posterior probability to Cro-Magnon (highest similarities w/Euros while Subs Saharan Africans showed ZERO similarities):
ModEur: 0.49 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 0.39 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 0.01 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 0.00 <---- West/Central Africans
Squared Mahalanobis distance to Cro-Magnon (Closest Distance w/Euros whille Sub Saharan Africans showed to have the FURTHEST Distance):
ModEur: 21.72 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 22.15 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 30.10 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 36.35 <---- West/Central Africans
It is also hilarious how they neglect to quote Stringer comment about how humans derivation from Africa does not mean early humans looked anything like modern black Africans since modern Africans have been evolving too. lol! Read:
"It is a confused picture and suggests that racial differences were still developing, and should be viewed as a very new part of the human condition. It is an important point, for it shows that humanity's modern African origin does not imply derivation from people like current Africans, because these populations must have also changed through the impact of evolution over the past 100,000 years." ~ Chris Stringer, African Exodus
I hardly can call these old outdated sources. LOL

Quote:
"When canonical variates are
plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested...
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated
European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of
anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from
the skeletal remains..."
--CL. Brace 2005.

Quote:
"...the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans....were more like present-day Australians or Africans..."
--Chris Stringer, African Exodus ((Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies) 2013)
Oxford University Press
http://tinyurl.com/na595yr

Quote:
"The so-called Old Man [Cro-Magnon 1] became the original model for
what was once termed the Cro-Magnon or Upper Paleolithic "race" of
Europe.. there's no such valid biological category, and Cro-Magnon 1 is
not typical of Upper Paleolithic western Europeans- and not even all that
similar to the other two make skulls found at the site. Most of the genetic
evidence, as well as the newest fossil evidence from Africa argue against
continuous local evolution producing modern groups directly from any
Eurasian pre-modern population.. there's no longer much debate that a
large genetic contribution from migrating early modern Africans infuenced
other groups throughout the Old World.“
--B. Lewis et al. 2008. Understanding Humans: Introduction to Physical
Anthropology and Archaeology. p 297

And of course Africans have been evolving too.LOL

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#25084 Jul 5, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
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You finally came up with some other rubbish excuse. And I don't see where Dr. Clyde was cited? So. I don't see what this has to do with him, but it's obvious that you hate him whit a passion. As if that affects the view of most anthropologists. LOL
Anyway,
http://picturestack.com/87/826/UtrSchermafbeE...
--B. Lewis et al. 2008. Understanding Humans: Introduction to Physical Anthropology and Archaeology. p 297
quote:
"Molecular biology has traced the ancestry of the Cro-Magnons deep into&#65279; tropical Africa, into the territory of the hypothetical African Eve"...
--Cro-Magnon:How the Ice Age Gave Birth to the First Modern Humans, By Brian Fagan,pg 89 (2010).
quote:
In modern humans, this elongation is a pattern characteristic of warm-adapted populations, and this physique may be an early Cro-Magnon retention from African ancestors. Similar retentions may be observed in certain indices of facial shape [...]
--Encyclopedia of Human Evolution and Prehistory: Second Edition by Eric Delson
quote:
At about 40,000 years ago, however, Homo sapiens, in the form of the Cro-Magnons, began trickling into Europe, probably from an initially African place of origin.
http://www.metmuseum.org/en/exhibitions/listi...
quote:
Bar-Yosef then turned his attention to the beginning of the story, looking for indications of when those early human Cro-Magnons first came from Africa.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/01.1...
You are simply a pathetic racist.
You cherry picking of quotes that just say Cro-Magnons were homosapiens do not support your Afrocentric claims that they were 'black Africans'. In fact Bar-Yosef clearly gives them a Middle Eastern origins and intermixing along side Neanderthals in the Middle East; while
Brace shows they have the most similarities with Northern Europeans and LEAST similarities with Sub Saharan Africans.

"For much of his academic career, Bar-Yosef's focus has been the Stone Age - known as the Paleolithic - when early Homo sapiens went by the name Cro-Magnon and lived side by side with a human cousin, the Neanderthal.
It is this mix of human species and the later departure of Cro-Magnon man out of the Middle East to colonize Neanderthal-dominated Europe that fascinates Bar-Yosef."

"I was able to get just under 20 measurements on Cro Magnon of the two dozen data set I have used to compare populations in the world and the statistics showed convincingly that while Cro Magnon does not tie in with the recent French, IT DOES INDEED TIE CLOSELY WITH OUR ENGLISH AND SCANDINAVIAN SAMPLES. What we have been able to show is that the Upper Paleolithic and subsequent Mesolithic of northwest Europe simply developed there in situ out of Neanderthal precursors. We published some of this in Human Evolution 19(1):19-38 (2005) and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103(1):242-247 (2006). " ~ C. L. Brace 2005

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#25086 Jul 5, 2014
Gmoney AKA Big G wrote:
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Where are these genes and what are these alleles??? Mention alleles other than KITlG and ASIP because we have already proven that these alleles do not lighten skin.
Derived alleles in both KITIG and ASIP genes both lighten up skin and posted the what alleles numerous times already in previous posts about the subject. Look them up in the previous page.

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#25087 Jul 5, 2014
Gmoney AKA Big G wrote:
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You don't know what his complexion was. Many of these genes you name do not lighten skin by themselves. They need to be accompanied with each other or other genes which signify the loss of certain proteins. Also, none of these alleles are older than 20,000bc
His skin wasn't as dark as you Afrocentrics wrongly THINK it was. And yes all of the genes I mentioned DO have derived alleles that do lighten up skin. He had the derived alleles for light skin that are still common in Europeans to this day: IRF4, TYRP1, ASIP, APBA2. Oh and derived alleles in IRF4 are associated with fair skin and light/BLUE eye color which he had.

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#25088 Jul 5, 2014
Gmoney AKA Big G wrote:
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Also, ASIP has been proven to be associated with albinism.
He did not have albinism but nice try. He had a derived allele in ASIP for light skin color that is still common in Europeans.

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#25089 Jul 5, 2014
BMT wrote:
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You an idiot. Its about his "darkly" skin color 6000 years ago ot the eyes. So neanderthal lighting up europeans is a myth.
Nope wrong. Neanderthals contributing genes for light skin is a scientific fact as recent studies have shown. Plus the 6,000 year old guy wasn't as 'dark' as you falsely believe he was given he carried numerous light skin genes that are still found in modern Europeans to this day.
Almoravid

Rotterdam, Netherlands

#25090 Jul 5, 2014
Eric456 wrote:
<quoted text>
You cherry picking of quotes that just say Cro-Magnons were homosapiens do not support your Afrocentric claims that they were 'black Africans'. In fact Bar-Yosef clearly gives them a Middle Eastern origins and intermixing along side Neanderthals in the Middle East; while
Brace shows they have the most similarities with Northern Europeans and LEAST similarities with Sub Saharan Africans.
"For much of his academic career, Bar-Yosef's focus has been the Stone Age - known as the Paleolithic - when early Homo sapiens went by the name Cro-Magnon and lived side by side with a human cousin, the Neanderthal.
It is this mix of human species and the later departure of Cro-Magnon man out of the Middle East to colonize Neanderthal-dominated Europe that fascinates Bar-Yosef."
"I was able to get just under 20 measurements on Cro Magnon of the two dozen data set I have used to compare populations in the world and the statistics showed convincingly that while Cro Magnon does not tie in with the recent French, IT DOES INDEED TIE CLOSELY WITH OUR ENGLISH AND SCANDINAVIAN SAMPLES. What we have been able to show is that the Upper Paleolithic and subsequent Mesolithic of northwest Europe simply developed there in situ out of Neanderthal precursors. We published some of this in Human Evolution 19(1):19-38 (2005) and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103(1):242-247 (2006). " ~ C. L. Brace 2005
I'm not cherry picking, it's you who is cherry picking...I even showed recent citations from papers.

Quote:
"When canonical variates are plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested...

If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated
European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of
anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from
the skeletal remains..."
--CL. Brace 2005.

The cro magnons died out!!!

Now, let's look into the oldest branch of modern Europeans from Scandinavia, shall we?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

quote:

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/fetchObje...

The history of human populations can be retraced by studying the archaeological and anthropological record, but also by examining the current distribution of genetic markers, such as the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA. Ancient DNA research allows the retrieval of DNA from ancient skeletal remains and contributes to the reconstruction of the human population history through the comparison of ancient and present-day genetic data. Here, we analysed the mitochondrial DNA of prehistoric remains from archaeological sites dated to 7,500 and 3,500 years Before Present. These sites are located in North East Europe, a region that displays a significant cultural and linguistic diversity today but for which no ancient human DNA was available before. We show that prehistoric hunter-gatherers of North East Europe were genetically similar to other European foragers. We also detected a prehistoric genetic input from Siberia, followed by migrations from Western Europe into North East Europe. Our research contributes to the understanding of the origins and past dynamics of human population in Europe.

[...]

Coalescent simulations

In coalescent simulation analyses we considered the ancient populations of aUzPo, aBOO, Central/East/Scandinavian European hunter-gatherers (aHG [12],[14], aPWC [13]), and the modern populations of NEE, CE, and Saami (saa). Population statistics (haplotype diversity and fixation indexes, FST) for the ancient and extant populations were calculated in Arlequin version 3.11 (Table 2,[91]).

--Clio Der Sarkissian et al.(2013)
Almoravid

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#25091 Jul 5, 2014
Eric456 wrote:
<quoted text>
His skin wasn't as dark as you Afrocentrics wrongly THINK it was. And yes all of the genes I mentioned DO have derived alleles that do lighten up skin. He had the derived alleles for light skin that are still common in Europeans to this day: IRF4, TYRP1, ASIP, APBA2. Oh and derived alleles in IRF4 are associated with fair skin and light/BLUE eye color which he had.
So how dark was his skin, according to you eurocentrics? LOL

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#25092 Jul 5, 2014
paddyomalley wrote:
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I might be racist, but I wasn't born that way and I wasn't raised that way until low class punks like you keep crying and blaming everybody but the person who can fix it for their plight. The way you cry and blame, you must think you're the friggin' president, because you sound just like him. Slavery ended 149 years ago, so get over it. There has been 30 trillion spent on you over the last 45-years and you still kill each other and have a 14.7 per 100K murder rate, you drop out of high school anywhere between 45% and 55% depending on city, and you insist on ruining lives by knocking up baby girls and won't man up and take care of your families, but have the energy to produce 72% of your kids unmarried. I may be a racist, I don't really know, but I do know I am a man and 90% of Black males have the mental and emotional age of 15 and have no idea what a man is. Now STFU crybaby ... I believe everyone is tired of your ilk, even your women are laughing at you clowns.
Your the crybaby here. I made no mention of my race either lol. Oh and I make good money so wrong again. You sound very bitter, dont blame your racist views on anyone, or anything but yourself. We all grew up with the same misinformation, you chose to believe in hate. Allowing yourself to believe that another ethnic group wants something less than anyone else. You fester in wallow and your dark thoughts are being superior than others to make yourself feel better about who you are. You hide behind numbers and politics, instead of owning up to whats happening around you. Bringing up slavery like that as if it were the only issue Black people faced. They had to deal with self hating people and their systems, people like yourself. You are your own truth, is that above your head? You omit yourself from any debate, because you are tainted. Now, stop Your crying self proclaimed successful individuals, need not cry.

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#25093 Jul 5, 2014
Gmoney AKA Big G wrote:
"The general consensus is that the first red headed human appeared in Africa about 50,000 years ago and then people with fiery hair began migrating to Europe. But how did red hair happen?"
Red hair is an African mutation.... It is not Eurasian. Here is the link where this quote came from...... http://hubpages.com/hub/Red-Hair-Blue-Eyes-an...
Read:

"Both African and non-African data suggest that the time to the most recent common ancestor is ª1 million years and that the age of the global 314 variant is 650,000 years. On this time scale, ages for the Eurasian distributed Val60Leu, Val92Met, and Arg163Gln variants are 250,000–100,000 years; the ages for African silent variants—Leu106Leu, Cys273Cys, and Phe300Phe—are 110,000–40,000 years. For the European red hair–associated Arg151Cys and Arg160Trp variants, we estimate an age of ª80,000 years; for Asp294His, and Ser316Ser, we estimate an age of <30,000 years. SDs are approximately half these expectations.

These ages are entirely compatible with age distributions estimated for African and non-African mutations in other nuclear genes (Harding et al. 1997; Zietkiewicz et al. 1998). The ages estimated for the Arg151Cys and Arg160Trp red hair–associated variants are consistent with a widespread European distribution, as we also observed."

It is widely assumed that genes that influence variation in skin and hair pigmentation are under selection. To date, the melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) is the only gene identified that explains substantial phenotypic variance in human pigmentation. Here we investigate MC1R polymorphism in several populations, for evidence of selection. We conclude that MC1R is under strong functional constraint in Africa, where any diversion from eumelanin production (black pigmentation) appears to be evolutionarily deleterious. Although many of the MC1R amino acid variants observed in non-African populations do affect MC1R function and contribute to high levels of MC1R diversity in Europeans, we found no evidence, in either the magnitude or the patterns of diversity, for its enhancement by selection; rather, our analyses show that levels of MC1R polymorphism simply reflect neutral expectations under relaxation of strong functional constraint outside Africa." ~Evidence for Variable Selective Pressures at MC1R
Almoravid

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#25094 Jul 5, 2014
Eric456 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope wrong. Neanderthals contributing genes for light skin is a scientific fact as recent studies have shown. Plus the 6,000 year old guy wasn't as 'dark' as you falsely believe he was given he carried numerous light skin genes that are still found in modern Europeans to this day.
The predominant allele for skin lightning within the homo Sapien Sapien offspring is SLC24A5.

quote:
Lalueza-Fox states: "However, the biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed >>>>African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans,<<< which indicates that he had dark skin, although we can not know the exact shade."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/ ...

Did you read that? Current Europeans.

quote:
Both Loschbour and Stuttgart likely had dark hair (>99% probability); Loschbour, like La Braña and Motala12, likely had blue or intermediate-colored eyes (>75% probability), while Stuttgart most likely had brown eyes (>99% probability)(SI8). Neither Loschbour nor La Braña carries the skin-lightening allele in SLC24A5 that is homozygous in Stuttgart and nearly fixed in Europeans today, indicating that they probably had darker skin12.
--I Lazaridis et al.

Now, do you think any of the mentioned alleles by you, are as fixed and unfixed within Africans, or even the biallelic clade?

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#25095 Jul 5, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
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When are you going to show actual evidence and "incoming industries of these supposed "Eurasians" in Africa? LOL
I know you have reading comprehension, so I'll highlight it for you the subject matter, between the arrows.
quote:
Lalueza-Fox states: "However, the biggest surprise was to discover that this individual possessed >>>>African versions in the genes that determine the light pigmentation of the current Europeans,<<< which indicates that he had dark skin, although we can not know the exact shade."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/...
Did you read that? Current Europeans.
quote:
Both Loschbour and Stuttgart likely had dark hair (>99% probability); Loschbour, like La Braña and Motala12, likely had blue or intermediate-colored eyes (>75% probability), while Stuttgart most likely had brown eyes (>99% probability)(SI8). Neither Loschbour nor La Braña carries the skin-lightening allele in SLC24A5 that is homozygous in Stuttgart and nearly fixed in Europeans today, indicating that they probably had darker skin12.
--I Lazaridis et al.
Delusional Afrocentrcis hear 'darker' and automatically make an individual into a 'black african'.

They claimed that this 6,000 year old European carried partial ancestral haplotypes of SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. That means squat in what his skin color was and they even admit that they don't know his skin color. Not to mention many light skin people from Middle Easterners to Asians and Native Americans carry the ancestral versions of SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 and they sure as heck are still lighter skinned compared to Africans.

They found numerous derived alleles for light skin in him including Polymorphisms in the IRF4 genes that are associated with fair skin and light/blue eye color and are STILL common among modern Europeans today. People with lighter colored eyes (blue, green) have less melanin overall. They also found that he carried the derived genes associated with light color skin in TYRP1 and as well as in ASIP. He also carried genes for light skin color in derived APBA2 which is present at high frequencies in Europeans and Asians but NOT common in Africans.

The study showed this 6,000 year old European displays clear affinities with Northern Euros. Just because he did not carry the derived alleles for SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 doesn't mean squat since those genes were brought in by Neolithic Farmers such as the Stuttgart individual who DID carry the derived alleles for light skin in SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. They did carry though other derived genes for light skin. So Braña and Motala12 wasn't as 'dark' as some believe and they sure as heck were NOT 'black' as Afrocentrics stupidly have claimed.

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#25096 Jul 5, 2014
Gmoney AKA Big G wrote:
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What are you talking about... He didn't provide anything but bullshyt while you provided nothing.
I've provided them many times. You are just in denial as most of you Afrocentrics are.

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#25097 Jul 5, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
<quoted text>
I hardly can call these old outdated sources. LOL
Quote:
"When canonical variates are
plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested...
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated
European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of
anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from
the skeletal remains..."
--CL. Brace 2005.
Quote:
"...the Cro-Magnons, the presumed ancestors of modern Europeans....were more like present-day Australians or Africans..."
--Chris Stringer, African Exodus ((Michael Witzel, The Origins of the World's Mythologies) 2013)
Oxford University Press
http://tinyurl.com/na595yr
Quote:
"The so-called Old Man [Cro-Magnon 1] became the original model for
And of course Africans have been evolving too.LOL
And yet Brace has concluded Northern Europeans, with the LEAST African similarities, have the closest similarities to Cro Magnon, while Sub Saharan Africans show the LEAST similarities Cro Magnon. lol!

C. L. Brace 2005 ~ Posterior probability to Cro-Magnon (highest similarities w/Euros while Subs Saharan Africans showed ZERO similarities): LoL!
ModEur: 0.49 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 0.39 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 0.01 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 0.00 <---- West/Central Africans

C. L. Brace 2005 ~ Squared Mahalanobis distance to Cro-Magnon (Closest Distance w/Euros whille Sub Saharan Africans showed to have the FURTHEST Distance): LoL!
ModEur: 21.72 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 22.15 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 30.10 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 36.35 <---- West/Central Africans

"I was able to get just under 20 measurements on Cro Magnon of the two dozen data set I have used to compare populations in the world and the statistics showed convincingly that while Cro Magnon does not tie in with the recent French, IT DOES INDEED TIE CLOSELY WITH OUR ENGLISH AND SCANDINAVIAN SAMPLES. What we have been able to show is that the Upper Paleolithic and subsequent Mesolithic of northwest Europe simply developed there in situ out of Neanderthal precursors. We published some of this in Human Evolution 19(1):19-38 (2005) and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103(1):242-247 (2006). " ~ C. L. Brace 2005

It is also hilarious how you Afrocentrics neglect to quote Stringer comment about how humans derivation from Africa does not mean early humans looked anything like modern black Africans since modern Africans have been evolving too. lol!

"It is a confused picture and suggests that racial differences were still developing, and should be viewed as a very new part of the human condition. It is an important point, for it shows that humanity's modern African origin does not imply derivation from people like current Africans, because these populations must have also changed through the impact of evolution over the past 100,000 years." ~ Chris Stringer, African Exodus

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#25098 Jul 5, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
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I'm not cherry picking, it's you who is cherry picking...I even showed recent citations from papers.
Quote:
"When canonical variates are plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested...
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated
European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of
anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from
llowed by migrations from Western Europe into North East Europe. Our research contributes to the understanding of the origins and past dynamics of human population in Europe.
Coalescent simulations
In coalescent simulation analyses we considered the ancient populations of aUzPo, aBOO, Central/East/Scandinavian European hunter-gatherers (aHG [12],[14], aPWC [13]), and the modern populations of NEE, CE, and Saami (saa). Population statistics (haplotype diversity and fixation indexes, FST) for the ancient and extant populations were calculated in Arlequin version 3.11 (Table 2,[91]).
--Clio Der Sarkissian et al.(2013)
Yes you are Cherry picking because all scientific studies show Northern Euros to share closer similarities with European hunter-gatherers while Central and Southern Europeans show closer links to Neolithic Farmers.

Brace concluded Northern Europeans to have the closest similarities to Cro Magnon, while Sub Saharan Africans show the LEAST similarities Cro Magnon. lol!

C. L. Brace 2005 ~ Posterior probability to Cro-Magnon (highest similarities w/Euros while Subs Saharan Africans showed ZERO similarities): LoL!
ModEur: 0.49 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 0.39 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 0.01 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 0.00 <---- West/Central Africans

C. L. Brace 2005 ~ Squared Mahalanobis distance to Cro-Magnon (Closest Distance w/Euros whille Sub Saharan Africans showed to have the FURTHEST Distance): LoL!
ModEur: 21.72 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 22.15 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 30.10 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 36.35 <---- West/Central Africans

"I was able to get just under 20 measurements on Cro Magnon of the two dozen data set I have used to compare populations in the world and the statistics showed convincingly that while Cro Magnon does not tie in with the recent French, IT DOES INDEED TIE CLOSELY WITH OUR ENGLISH AND SCANDINAVIAN SAMPLES. What we have been able to show is that the Upper Paleolithic and subsequent Mesolithic of northwest Europe simply developed there in situ out of Neanderthal precursors. We published some of this in Human Evolution 19(1):19-38 (2005) and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103(1):242-247 (2006). " ~ C. L. Brace 2005

It is also hilarious how you Afrocentrics neglect to quote Stringer comment about how humans derivation from Africa does not mean early humans looked anything like modern black Africans since modern Africans have been evolving too. lol!

"It is a confused picture and suggests that racial differences were still developing, and should be viewed as a very new part of the human condition. It is an important point, for it shows that humanity's modern African origin does not imply derivation from people like current Africans, because these populations must have also changed through the impact of evolution over the past 100,000 years." ~ Chris Stringer, African Exodus
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#25099 Jul 5, 2014
Eric456 wrote:
<quoted text>
Read:
"Both African and non-African data suggest that the time to the most recent common ancestor is ª1 million years and that the age of the global 314 variant is 650,000 years. On this time scale, ages for the Eurasian distributed Val60Leu, Val92Met, and Arg163Gln variants are 250,000–100,000 years; the ages for African silent variants—Leu106Leu, Cys273Cys, and Phe300Phe—are 110,000–40,000 years. For the European red hair–associated Arg151Cys and Arg160Trp variants, we estimate an age of ª80,000 years; for Asp294His, and Ser316Ser, we estimate an age of <30,000 years. SDs are approximately half these expectations.
These ages are entirely compatible with age distributions estimated for African and non-African mutations in other nuclear genes (Harding et al. 1997; Zietkiewicz et al. 1998). The ages estimated for the Arg151Cys and Arg160Trp red hair–associated variants are consistent with a widespread European distribution, as we also observed."
It is widely assumed that genes that influence variation in skin and hair pigmentation are under selection. To date, the melanocortin 1 receptor (MC1R) is the only gene identified that explains substantial phenotypic variance in human pigmentation. Here we investigate MC1R polymorphism in several populations, for evidence of selection. We conclude that MC1R is under strong functional constraint in Africa, where any diversion from eumelanin production (black pigmentation) appears to be evolutionarily deleterious. Although many of the MC1R amino acid variants observed in non-African populations do affect MC1R function and contribute to high levels of MC1R diversity in Europeans, we found no evidence, in either the magnitude or the patterns of diversity, for its enhancement by selection; rather, our analyses show that levels of MC1R polymorphism simply reflect neutral expectations under relaxation of strong functional constraint outside Africa." ~Evidence for Variable Selective Pressures at MC1R
And you have the never, to mention outdated....LOL

Likely these unfixed alleles and transformed locus/ mutations became stable during the LMA, where the climate started to shift. As another poster stated, the alleles mentioned by you are relatively young.

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#25100 Jul 5, 2014
Almoravid wrote:
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So how dark was his skin, according to you eurocentrics? LOL
He sure as heck wasn't as dark as you Afrocentrics WISHED him to be since he already was carrying derived alleles for light skin that modern europeans still carry.
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#25101 Jul 5, 2014
Eric456 wrote:
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And yet Brace has concluded Northern Europeans, with the LEAST African similarities, have the closest similarities to Cro Magnon, while Sub Saharan Africans show the LEAST similarities Cro Magnon. lol!
C. L. Brace 2005 ~ Posterior probability to Cro-Magnon (highest similarities w/Euros while Subs Saharan Africans showed ZERO similarities): LoL!
ModEur: 0.49 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 0.39 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 0.01 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 0.00 <---- West/Central Africans
C. L. Brace 2005 ~ Squared Mahalanobis distance to Cro-Magnon (Closest Distance w/Euros whille Sub Saharan Africans showed to have the FURTHEST Distance): LoL!
ModEur: 21.72 <---- N. Europeans
LPEurasia: 22.15 <---- Paleolithic Eurasians
P/RNEAfr: 30.10 <---- Paleolithic/Recent North East Africans
N! gC on: 36.35 <---- West/Central Africans
"I was able to get just under 20 measurements on Cro Magnon of the two dozen data set I have used to compare populations in the world and the statistics showed convincingly that while Cro Magnon does not tie in with the recent French, IT DOES INDEED TIE CLOSELY WITH OUR ENGLISH AND SCANDINAVIAN SAMPLES. What we have been able to show is that the Upper Paleolithic and subsequent Mesolithic of northwest Europe simply developed there in situ out of Neanderthal precursors. We published some of this in Human Evolution 19(1):19-38 (2005) and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103(1):242-247 (2006). " ~ C. L. Brace 2005
It is also hilarious how you Afrocentrics neglect to quote Stringer comment about how humans derivation from Africa does not mean early humans looked anything like modern black Africans since modern Africans have been evolving too. lol!
"It is a confused picture and suggests that racial differences were still developing, and should be viewed as a very new part of the human condition. It is an important point, for it shows that humanity's modern African origin does not imply derivation from people like current Africans, because these populations must have also changed through the impact of evolution over the past 100,000 years." ~ Chris Stringer, African Exodus
It obvious you have something agains "sub-Sahara" Africans. lol

Anyway, actual metric shows cro magnons to be closer to Africans and Asians then to Europeans, as was cited before. The first Scandinavians looked more like Asians, as was shown in that picture. lol

Therefore.

QUOTE:
If this analysis shows nothing else, it demonstrates that the oft-repeated
European feeling that the Cro-Magnons are “us”(46) is more a product of
anthropological folklore than the result of the metric data available from the skeletal remains..."
--CL. Brace 2005.

Quote:
Migrations into India “did occur, but rarely from western Eurasian populations.” There are low frequencies of the western Eurasian mtDNA types in both southern and northern India. Thus, the ‘caucasoid’ features of south Asians may best be considered ‘pre-caucasoid’— that is, part of a diverse north or north-east African gene pool that yielded separate origins for western Eurasian and southern Asian populations over 50,000 years ago.
--U.S. biological anthropologist Todd R. Disotell.

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