Black Feminist Movement
Jamac

Newmarket, Canada

#712 Jun 19, 2013
This movement is toxic!

It tells women that they need to be equal when in reality, men and women CANNOT be equal. They have differen roles and responsiblities in a union.

My beautiful Wife and I have been married for 5 years now (I'm 32 and she is 25). She is a tradiation woman. A beautiful Black African Queen and I treat her as such. But we both know we have our own roles in a marriage. I am expected to protect and provide for her and our child's needs. And she is expected to be a loving, nurturing mother who takes care of the home.

She is loyal, feminine, and holds to her traditional African roots. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I don't do the house work, but she knows that when I come home from working a long day, she MUST have dinner ready. She was raised RIGHT by a strong African man and woman (her parents).

The young women of today in this society have no sense of traditional family values. This is why divorces are at 50%.
London

Columbus, OH

#713 Jun 19, 2013
Moorspeaks wrote:
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Nonsense!
First of all...24% of bm are not dating or married out...that's a complete lie...stop it already...do yo honestly believe everything that non-bm tell you...personally or even the media...which they control....hell you can't even see black couples on the tube these days...why?...because they want bw young and old to believe that we bm have all jumped the fence chasing after Becky,Kanomi or Carmen!
Also stop buying into the bw as victim mentality...it's bullshyt!
Bw aren't any more of victims than bm in America are...again...all that you're doing is accepting the idea that "everyone is so against bw"....yet what's always funny is you probably believe that anything non-black and male...is bw greatest ally...nonsense!
Bm aren't the ones who oppressed bw...nor exploited them in a major way...we've never even had the type of control over bw historically...now yes some bm have used bw...on a personal level and in their own way to benefit them!
Again...this is not a bm thing...men in general do this sort of thing to the women of their group...why?...because "some men" in general are just selfish assholes!
Do you actually know any white women...on a personal level...do they ever share their experiences with you...do you know the things that they have been trough in their personal lives!
It's not about a man's race!
*There are also plenty of bm who have carried,supported and made a way for bw to become successful!
Isn't the 24% referring to bm in the U.S.? That number is probably a gross under representation tbo. because what we know for a fact is most homes with black women and black children are headed by single women, not married women. You can't sit down and stand up at the same time. If 80% are single with black children and claim not married or never been married status. It's simply denying reality to then tell those women most bm are with bw in this country. And although we can't say all those missing men are in IR, we do know with our own eyes that IR certainly accounts for a good chunk of it.

And why are you always up in arms when bw as a group acknowledge each others circumstance? No one is talking about being a victim. Some are simply acknowledging there is a culture of victimization going on. There is more than one way to "oppress" another. Just because bm couldn't systemically use the system to enslave bw doesn't mean they couldn't still enslave bw. Leaving women with 80% of the burdens of a community is a form of slavery..that is enslavement.

And one minute you state bw aren't victims and then next you admit bm have oppressed bw--but basically it's okay because they aren't the only men to do such a thing. smh.
London

Columbus, OH

#714 Jun 19, 2013
Enki wrote:
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When I say sisters need to chill is not to say sisters presently doing the damm thing to just sit down..
That's ludicrous and non-productive.I'm speaking of rearing our children going forth.Put a heavier emphasis on your males since they are the PRIMARY target of white supremacy.They have to have the knowledge and skills to adequately provide and protect not only you but themselves.Don't allow yet another generation of your daughters to have a poor quality of men to choose from.
Do you have proof bm are primary targets of white supremacy? After all white supremacy is already in existence and is a massive force already.

The education aspect, I still don't understand. Let's say I agree with you that bm are targets of white supremacy. How is putting a heavier emphasis on bm getting educated helping the group? Why does gender matter in this instance?..Especially since in this country we have the luxury to educate boy and girl equally. How come they can't stress it for both genders?..and let's also keep in mind, in all practicality, the public schools are open for all equally as well. Although, of course, it takes more will to get a good education through public schools...the access however to do it is still there.
Enki

Jacksonville, FL

#715 Jun 19, 2013
Spit-Fire wrote:
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"Chill out two or three generations and push education for the BM"......???? Well that is never going to happen, nor should it. BW are going to continue to press ahead and BM like are going to have to do the hard work of helping BM catch up.
Why should BW have to put themselves on hold? Why can't BM of today take the lead among these young men RIGHT NOW? If you want to lead...LEAD. Who is stopping you? There is no plausible reason for either gender to be put on hold for the other.
Progression and educational achievement can be pushed among BW and BM, as their respective genders also focus on the unique problems that are hampering each group.
I think you are dead on about one aspect. I do not know how many BW actually trust BM anymore. The abandonment of BW and children is too high to be ignored. I'm not sure that on a mass level BM can/will hold the line for BW.
This generation of men it seems have taken delight in doing the opposite. Too easily swayed.
Ok now that i have time I'll more pointedly respond to this post that you and your manless compadres seem to love so much.

Lessee black men of TODAY taking the lead eh'? Spitfire I wouldn't trust these single-mother raised,effeminate,unskilled,un educated black men of today to lead me around the corner!Today's black men don't know the first thing about nation-building and establishing a community.Hell most black men under the age of thirty-five can't even read a tape measure!

Do you have an idea how hard it is for a black man to lead a bunch of young males raised in homes without the benefit of having a father? Sister that was the whole design of Welfare.It wasn't just to break the bonds/concepts of male hierarchy for the first generation of Welfare recipients..it was a self-reciprocating system that has resulted in two or three generations of young males being raised without men telling them what to do.

Why do you think there's so much friction between older black men and younger black men?

Why do you think that the no-man-in-the-house clause was only largely enforced on black families?

Come on American Black Woman, you have to start thinking CRITICALLY at some point; after all, you're supposed to be the educated one.

Now onto the education argument and the need for sisters(who are raising the children) to push the males..

You know the WM just recently started to educate the WW right?

You know for most of European history they didn't allow their women to become educated huh?

You do understand that it was only after the EDUCATED WM developed American society to a certain degree did he allow his woman to become educated and have a greater share of decision-making?

You do understand despite his woman not being educated the WM conquered and controlled most of the planet right? Also he invented the automobile ,telephone,typewriter,ships,gu ns,cannons,airplanes,skyscrape rs and on and on without his woman being *ahem* "educated".

You do understand that right?

Listen Black American Woman..The promise is in your males.If any building is to be done it will come from us..Not because we are better or smarter,no, it's just our job as men..As long as your boys are languishing you Black Woman will remain unprotected and uncherished.You will forever stand and look at other races of women on their pedestals, built by their men, and look on us with disdain .
Enki

Jacksonville, FL

#716 Jun 19, 2013
London wrote:
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Do you have proof bm are primary targets of white supremacy? After all white supremacy is already in existence and is a massive force already.
The education aspect, I still don't understand. Let's say I agree with you that bm are targets of white supremacy. How is putting a heavier emphasis on bm getting educated helping the group? Why does gender matter in this instance?..Especially since in this country we have the luxury to educate boy and girl equally. How come they can't stress it for both genders?..and let's also keep in mind, in all practicality, the public schools are open for all equally as well. Although, of course, it takes more will to get a good education through public schools...the access however to do it is still there.
Hmmm.... a common tactic learned from her white benefactor..When a white male makes an assertion it is accepted as gospel, but when a black men says something they need "proof".

I guess it would be that way when we as black men provide nothing for our women.
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Heavier emphasis has to be placed on the males because we are charged with protecting and providing..simple as that.

Listen London, I stated why AT THIS TIME the Black Race should focus more on the males.It is contingent on our condition, and not on the need to control and tyrannize black women.After some benchmarks have been accomplished and a degree of infrastructure has been established then will a more equitable distribution of education take place.

Other races develop this way..why is it so hard for us to understand?

If I see an enemy attacking a certain area then common sense would dictate that I need to strengthen and place more focus on that area.I have no desire to oppress black women,but I do have an interest in the continuance of our people.As long as the males are f ucked up black women will either forgo having children altogether or they will seek out other races of men to mate with.

Neither scenario contributes to the continued existence of our people.

Masud_S_Hoghughi __

London, UK

#717 Jun 19, 2013
I've never heard of feminist negrows before.......

niccuz r usually too pre-occupied with racial issues to b bothering with this.........

“The REAL Founding Fathers!!!!!”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#718 Jun 19, 2013
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
I've never heard of feminist negrows before.......
niccuz r usually too pre-occupied with racial issues to b bothering with this.........
No one asked for your worthless opinion, racist reprobate LOSER. Now, don't you have someone else to harass? Better yet, go outside and get some air. You are polluting this forum, AGAIN.
Masud_S_Hoghughi __

London, UK

#720 Jun 19, 2013
NotSoDivineMsM wrote:
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No one asked for your worthless opinion, racist reprobate LOSER. Now, don't you have someone else to harass? Better yet, go outside and get some air. You are polluting this forum, AGAIN.
talk about harassment........

....u been harassing me u old b**ch.........
IT IS I

Merced, CA

#721 Jun 19, 2013
Moorspeaks wrote:
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Nonsense!
First of all...24% of bm are not dating or married out...that's a complete lie...stop it already...do yo honestly believe everything that non-bm tell you...personally or even the media...which they control....hell you can't even see black couples on the tube these days...
Oh, stop with this "You are being brainwashed bullshyt !!!!

Yes, I do believe it and I have eyes !!! I see BM with resources who are in IRR with non-BW all of the time.

Now who is showing a "victim" mentality ??? You BM need to quit with this "Everybody is lying on us" bullshyt !!!!

Ain't nobody lying on you..........It's true !!!
Moorspeaks wrote:
why?...because they want bw young and old to believe that we bm have all jumped the fence chasing after Becky,Kanomi or Carmen!
Also stop buying into the bw as victim mentality...it's bullshyt!
Bw aren't any more of victims than bm in America are...again...all that you're doing is accepting the idea that "everyone is so against bw"....yet what's always funny is you probably believe that anything non-black and male...is bw greatest ally...nonsense!
Bm aren't the ones who oppressed bw...nor exploited them in a major way...we've never even had the type of control over bw historically...now yes some bm have used bw...on a personal level and in their own way to benefit them!
Again...this is not a bm thing...men in general do this sort of thing to the women of their group...why?...because "some men" in general are just selfish assholes!
Do you actually know any white women...on a personal level...do they ever share their experiences with you...do you know the things that they have been trough in their personal lives!
It's not about a man's race!
*There are also plenty of bm who have carried,supported and made a way for bw to become successful!
The vast majority of BM do not carry and support BW. Hell, if they did, then we would not be having this discussion !!!!

:)
IT IS I

Merced, CA

#722 Jun 19, 2013
Moorspeaks wrote:
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This is what you want to believe....which actually has more to do with your own personal issues....than it does with the realities of bm!
Now here you are claiming that bm are somehow stuck in a state of arrested development...this is completely idiotic to a large degree!
Again...bm and bw both come from the very same environments,backgrounds and experiences!
So why would bw be any different than bm?
This is the very message that the white American media wants young bw to embrace and believe in...it is completely short sighted,biased and anti-bm to the core!
It does nothing more than attempt to overlook the realities of bm who do not fit the stereotyped generalization of bm and stigmatize bm in a general way!
If Proud sis is supporting this...then she's merely another confused bw,with personal issues and an agenda...that was created from outsiders!
Who hate to see us together!
We would be different because we are women. And like Berriesgalore brought out in her previous post:

It was never about racism with BM, but rather social change. BM were more worried about being accepted by white America and gaining access to white pucci, than they were with the plight of black people as a whole.

And that is why change is so slow. Because BM have been in charge of our progress and they are only concerned with getting white pucci and being tolerated by WM, hence..........

"arrested development"
IT IS I

Merced, CA

#723 Jun 19, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>Supporting what? I'm not confused about anything..have no more or less and personal issues than the next person, and certainly no agenda..because it wouldn't benefit me either way.. my comment was clear..if BM have high IR..as they love to claim 24%(I always said that was said to be for one year of marriage)..there is no way they will convince BW to take a backseat and support the group..a collective "sacrifice" has to be made by "everyone" for the community..or it's not work..this is a fact we're not going to get past..no matter who wants their cake and eat it too..those days are simply over..
Hey you !!
IT IS I

Merced, CA

#724 Jun 19, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>My take on the subject is.."love" is always negotiable..and with seven billion people on this planet..there are always going to be options on the table...and with such easy access to human resources ..it creates a climate of unstableness in relationships (marriages/families/communitie s)....thus a lot of disloyalty...it boils down to having a moral code and standard..
TRUE TALK INDEED !!!

Black folks need to get back to morals and stop letting "white American" standards of what is moral influence them and their relationships. I have always believed that most white people had a warped sense of what was morally right and wrong and this is what many BM have allowed to infiltrate into the black community. They even went as far as making young BW and black girls compete with nasty WW by telling black females that "WW know how to please a man" and "Y'all need to stop being so rigid/conservative in bed".

And now they are complaining that BW have no morals !!! This is why I believe that BM (at least most BM anyway) are toxic to BW and BW need to just stay away from most of them.
Proud Sis wrote:
People wonder why my last few posts spoke of boundaries..is because people in general should respect them..especially BP towards each other (BM to BM, BW to BW, BM and BW towards each other)..then maybe just maybe ..we wouldn't be "wowing" @ someone like Moor's marriage..and it would be common..but we cannot have long lasting "black love" (including male to male, female to female friendship)if we're in constant "competition" with each other.."we" cannot even brag on a partner (like Moor can/does with his wife) without feeling utterly embarrassed when some random can "take" them or hold audience with them on a whim..I'm not perfect..especially if I'm in "revenge mode"..but when I'm out and about..I am have a sense of happiness when I see another BW being loved and she's happy with her man(and especially if there are children with them)..and he's spoiling her...I don't feel the need to measure myself up against her and scheme on how to "take" her man (really it's her happiness)..if anything..I would walk away wanting my own man (really happiness)..of course this isn't unique to BW or BP...but the point was about "Black loyalty" from genuine relationship to friendship..extending to a health community..
This is so true. Even Jehovah God sets boundaries..........and you had better respect them !!!!

Black folks do not respect black love, and that is because we don't respect each other.
grimlock

Elkridge, MD

#725 Jun 19, 2013
IT IS I wrote:
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TRUE TALK INDEED !!!
Black folks need to get back to morals and stop letting "white American" standards of what is moral influence them and their relationships.

This is why I believe that BM (at least most BM anyway) are toxic to BW and BW need to just stay away from most of them.
smh

“dreams”

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#726 Jun 19, 2013
Enki wrote:
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Hmmm.... a common tactic learned from her white benefactor..When a white male makes an assertion it is accepted as gospel, but when a black men says something they need "proof".
And you don't think whites had to prove their claims? The mouth can say anything. We can make our mouths say absolutely anything. At some point, we must back up our assertions and claims with actions and tangibility. If we can't do that, our b.s. will be called out, as well it should be.
Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess it would be that way when we as black men provide nothing for our women.
No need to guess about it.
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Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
Heavier emphasis has to be placed on the males because we are charged with protecting and providing..simple as that.
So then emphasis should be placed on males to provide and protect. This has nothing to do with more education for males than girls. You have failed to explain how one impedes another. Equal access to education is good for all. It's the only way to tell who wants to learn and who even can learn from those who can't and.or won't. Although it doesn't solve everything, there is no greater equalizer at this time.
Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen London, I stated why AT THIS TIME the Black Race should focus more on the males.
The only voice heard in the black "race" is black males. This explains it's jacked up state and the excuse making over it imo.
Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
It is contingent on our condition, and not on the need to control and tyrannize black women.
Of course not, many of you are doing this already. No one needs an education to learn different ways of torturing others.
Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
After some benchmarks have been accomplished and a degree of infrastructure has been established then will a more equitable distribution of education take place.
Nonsense. Your model doesn't fit the environment. We are a minority group within a majority. That majority controls the resources and it's those resources we are all competing for. Education gives the tools for this. As I've said before, bw can not depend on bm for resources because we already know many, if not most, are using those resources to lure other groups of women to them.
Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
Other races develop this way..why is it so hard for us to understand?
Other races are in their respective lands as well. What you are suggesting simply isn't practical in this environment.
Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
If I see an enemy attacking a certain area then common sense would dictate that I need to strengthen and place more focus on that area.I have no desire to oppress black women,but I do have an interest in the continuance of our people.
And I believe you do..which makes your stance about education very bizarre. Your stance doesn't match your overall goal.
Enki wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as the males are f ucked up black women will either forgo having children altogether or they will seek out other races of men to mate with.
Neither scenario contributes to the continued existence of our people.
As you've said, none of us have the answer. We aren't God. I'm certainly not God. I simply have strong views.
But to me you are mis-stepping by linking the males f ucked up status (your words, not mine), with black women. You need to view them as a separate group..not intertwined. Once you start considering solutions which are absent of black women doing anything other than being black women, your group will fare much, much better.

“dreams”

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#727 Jun 19, 2013
IT IS I wrote:
A big shot out to Berriesgalore and Proud Sis.......
You two are kickin' azz !!!!
I could not have said it better myself !!!!!
@ Proud Sis:
You are so right about BW not putting the black community first when BM have an IR dating rate of 24% and climbing. Like you said, what group of people will continue to put themselves and their needs on the backburner to support another group who not only betrayed them, but continually denounces them ???
And I just loved it when you typed this:
"The pattern is clear..everything keeps centering around what BW need to be doing and not need to be doing because others want to rob her of her humanity..she is seen as an object..a means to an end..one who needs to uplift everyone else (men, children, community)..there is no talk about what others will do for her..because there is no value outside of her being a built-in support system (mammy).."
KUDOS !!! Truer words have never been spoken !!! BM are scared to death of losing this support net.
EXCELLENT POST !!!
@ Berriesgalore:
I agree with you. Attraction is a choice. I have heard people say many times "I'm just no longer attracted to him/her".
And attraction can be controlled like you said, hence the brainwashing of the American BM and this is why they think that a piece of white trash is a prize......especially since the media(T.V., Hollywood, magazines etc.....) became a part of American culture.
And when you said that BM were the only fools in the world who go out of their way to severe the natural bonds between them and the women of their own race, then have the audacity to try to get women of other races to break the bonds with their same race men..........THAT SHYT HIT HOME !!!
Because I have actually witnessed BM go to women of other races and demand that they "worship" while trying to convince these non-BW that they (BM)are better than their race of men (Loyalty).
And you just killed it with this:
"The adaptation may or may not be long lasting after the need to adapt goes away.... Such as slavery, many blacks adapted to a sub human standard in order to survive. However, in this day and age, we must let go of those adaptations in order to survive because our condition isn't the same. The reason why the dominant group survived the feminist movement was because they got "it"..they got that there was a period where women had to be more shielded and kept in the background because they were striving for world dominance as well as establishing a new country. However, as time progressed and conditions changed for the better, women didn't need such blunt protections."
This is so true..........BM don't know how to adapt to change and I believe this is a big reason for their "arrested development".
Good post.
Thanks IT IS I!! You are awesome, as usual.

“dreams”

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#728 Jun 19, 2013
So called Black Love isn't respected by blacks because the black community lacks love. Blacks overall push a selfish agenda and reward selfishness. We have women in the community who talk about wanting love but in the next sentence talk about how they only date dudes with big sticks.

Well which one is it?? Either you are searching for the big stick only or you are searching for a man capable of the traits needed for a possible love interaction...big rods shouldn't take precedence over all things. There's a time and place for that..now isn't the time. That's a very selfish mindset and it's counterproductive.

We also have women falling for the skin tone issue because it feels good to hear declarations that their skin tone is preferred over another...Well guess what?? Your all in the same shiddy boat at the end of the day, so what the f difference is it really making!! Again, there is a time where this can be rewarded..but this is the wrong time for that. Tell these guys you may as well be a burnt crispy black woman because the end result is almost the same if you choose to have black kids and live in a black area. Expect more, get more.

We must learn discernment. Know what to follow, know when to adapt, know what not to follow and know when to reject adaptation (as not all problems should be solved through adaptation, some things should be rejected).

Also, women can quit their paranoia about their man. Chances are lots of us don't want him and you are reading way too much in to the situation. Nothing wrong with awareness of how low humans can go to achieve their goals, but paranoia has never stopped any man from doing what the f ck he wants to do. Don't compound your problems by acting loony.

Nothing cute about a bulldog...smooth acting aware women around their man with other women, can not be touched. Women up to no good will screw the bulldogs man every chance they get if he lets em.
Spit-Fire

Tucker, GA

#729 Jun 19, 2013
Here is the point I am trying to make. If some BM do not mobilize and try to take the lead with young BM, whether they resist you or not, they are doomed to failure. That's it. BM are in a state of genocide. There is no way around that.
Do you think the Panthers did not have resistance from other BM when they began patrolling Black neighborhoods? Did that stop them? NO!!!! They were men who did what men are supposed to do LEAD!!!! And BW, fell right in step with them and gave them their full support.
Too many BM of today..Excuses..Excuses..Excus es!
Do not tell me about WM. For all of their unbelievable faults, they take care of their women and children. They recycle their wealth right back to their own communities. That is why they have been able to maintain power and that is why they run this country.
WW can kick, scream, holler and burn their bras in the street. Who are the men they were fighting against? Their own fathers, brothers, uncles and husbands. It is there men that controlled the power structure. They would give them what they wanted and WW knew it. So they give in, share, provide, protect and place on a pedestal their women....you all the things REAL men do.
Same thing happens on average in Asian and Latino communities as well.
BW are tired of waiting, they have to start doing it for each other. BW overall will benefit more, in the current condition of the BC, by placing our bets with other BW.
Take a look around, BM have been telling BW, that we do not own them and that they are free to do as they please.
You guys just never thought BW would agree.

“The REAL Founding Fathers!!!!!”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#730 Jun 19, 2013
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
<quoted text>talk about harassment........
....u been harassing me u old b**ch.........
It isn't harassment when I remind you that you are a racist and never post anything of value in this forum. I would bet if a survey were taken, the masses would opt to have YOU removed and not me. Care to see? Just say the word and we will put up a poll, k? Now, take a hike!!!!!.....smirks*
Masud_S_Hoghughi __

London, UK

#731 Jun 19, 2013
NotSoDivineMsM wrote:
<quoted text>
It isn't harassment when I remind you that you are a racist and never post anything of value in this forum. I would bet if a survey were taken, the masses would opt to have YOU removed and not me. Care to see? Just say the word and we will put up a poll, k? Now, take a hike!!!!!.....smirks*
do it...put up a poll u ph**ker......

I have helped to edjumacate alot of people in here down thru the years.........so I'm providing a free service........
Real Indos

Richmond Hill, NY

#732 Jun 19, 2013
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
<quoted text>do it...put up a poll u ph**ker......
I have helped to edjumacate alot of people in here down thru the years.........so I'm providing a free service........
LMFAO... Jesus!

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