“I am”

Level 8

Since: Jul 11

The Original Intention

#397 Jun 15, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>Are you following the posts? There was a reference to what took place during Katrina..saying it brought BM and BW together..completely ignoring all the rapes and crimes..It's unfair to pretend all BW are living in utopia with BM. So don't attempt to claim I was making some blanket comment about all BM and BW..it's intelligently dishonest. There was also threats to BW should the WM remove some protection..and I clearly stated all BW have BM in her intimate circle who will protect her against a WM or a BM..
No, intellectual dishonesty is you saying that it caused more "r2pe" than BM and BW being brought together.

Obviously there's ALWAYS going to be crime. But .. in the case of Katrina, it brought more blacks together than it did apart. Even blacks that weren't in Katrina came together to support and appreciate each other.

Look. You have to be more realistic. If BW want to be taken serious, then bw have to get serious and stop just trying to make everything revolve around bashing BM. BM aren't this entity that are completely separated from BW. BM come out of bw puxxy. You are just as responsible for BAD BM as I am.

I'm not going to be a positive influence on my circle of BWomen, while you shun and disown your circle of BMen... and then give you credit for the positive sista's that I influence and blame myself for the negative brothers that you have influenced with your lack of influence.

You're either a Black Woman. or a woman. those are your only two choices. Being black isn't just a skin thing, it's a state of mind and community etc.

That's why the "feminist" movement.. was for all women. because it was a "woman" thing. A "black feminist" movement makes ZERO sense.
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#398 Jun 15, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't tell that knucklehead nothing! It's all emotionally driven and absent of logic. They selfishly speak of their personal situation (I have 5 brothers and a father) as if every black woman has a similar situation. They are blinded by emotional myopia and their need to best men in some faux competition.
And that whole Katrina Fema thing should serve as a warning of how quickly we can be beset with a calamity. It is true that when we are mutually oppressed with their foots on our neck when will then form corporatives and work together; but absent of this extreme, we become adversarial.
I have 10 brothers not 5..and other BW may not have as many..but they have Black male relatives..even those who dare to declare war..will only turn on each other at some point..like they are going to let the next BM touch their daughters,etc..whether we like it or not..BM/BW are intertwined..at some point..these angry BM would have to touch a BW they love..so it's foolish talk and hot air..very stupid to even entertain such a delusion...
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#399 Jun 15, 2013
MrAnderson9 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, intellectual dishonesty is you saying that it caused more "r2pe" than BM and BW being brought together.
I never stated that..you're adding to my comment..which makes you intelligently dishonest..I said there was numerous rapes and crimes. Why pretend this didn't happen..that some BW were victims during this tragedy?
MrAnderson9 wrote:
Obviously there's ALWAYS going to be crime. But .. in the case of Katrina, it brought more blacks together than it did apart. Even blacks that weren't in Katrina came together to support and appreciate each other.
Why is it always and either or? Clearly..you would not want to ignore the rapes and crimes? Clearly you would not be asking us to ignore BW being raped?
MrAnderson9 wrote:
Look. You have to be more realistic. If BW want to be taken serious, then bw have to get serious and stop just trying to make everything revolve around bashing BM. BM aren't this entity that are completely separated from BW. BM come out of bw puxxy. You are just as responsible for BAD BM as I am.I'm not going to be a positive influence on my circle of BWomen, while you shun and disown your circle of BMen... and then give you credit for the positive sista's that I influence and blame myself for the negative brothers that you have influenced with your lack of influence.
off topic again..This isn't a thread about a gender war..not interested..
MrAnderson9 wrote:
You're either a Black Woman. or a woman. those are your only two choices. Being black isn't just a skin thing, it's a state of mind and community etc.
That's why the "feminist" movement.. was for all women. because it was a "woman" thing. A "black feminist" movement makes ZERO sense.
You cannot define another person..You don't have that authority..one could be Black, woman, Christian, African..as much as they want..can give each as much value as they please...You can only determine your own label...nothing more

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#400 Jun 15, 2013
Somebody needs to back away from the keyboard; she's showing symptoms of having a meltdown. The situation I was describing is one that when war breaks out....real World War, goods and basic necessities become scarce, and when the exigencies are scarce, crime increases because people kill to procure their needs.

It is a bunch of emotional goobly gook when she says that every black woman has a black man at her side to protect her, when in fact, in most black neighborhoods there are few black men present: just a few beta males and women and children.

I speak of black women and children needing the protection of black men as a collective, not based on their individual family configurations. And if you alienate this collective body of bm, you will be exposing yourselves to those scavengers that would do you harm; particularly if these brothers and fathers are away fighting in the war.

Nobody is threatening or attempting to frighten women; but it is the duty of men to consider every possible contingency. And with the storm brewing; it's possible. That's why they have hundreds of Fema camps built around the US.

“I am”

Level 8

Since: Jul 11

The Original Intention

#401 Jun 15, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>You're going off-topic..you're trying to define us..not going to happen and it's a waste of discussion.. Who is us is no different than who is everyone else..we're talking about humanity and value...has nothing to do with the "fluff" of what people do or don't do.. We're talking about being created in the image of G-d..being fearfully and wonderfully made..all the extra is simply man-made focus..
No, you're trying to define other women. You can only speak for you. I have just as much of a right to speak on other BW as you do. If you can define other bw, then I can too.

Again.. our influence isn't specific to one gender. If you can show me how you have isolated your influence to only affect one gender, then I will allow you to speak on behalf of all black women and I will understand how the "black feminist" movement is possible.

Until then, it's just the typical anti bm propaganda from the same ol tired arse "black feminists" .

Level 2

Since: Jun 09

Miami, FL

#402 Jun 15, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
<quoted text>
But no, I am not a religious being; I am a spiritual one.
...
Cogito2 wrote:
Now to your question. I have repeatedly stated that women of the past, and to a lesser degree, today, had and have legitimate grievances that certainly required redress. That part is easy and simple: A woman's right to self determination, equal opportunity and pay for jobs etc.. I simply take issue with, as I have repeatedly stated, the proposition that sisters believe that their issues can be actualized independently from those of the entire body of African-Americans.
No serious black feminist has said this, sir. They -- in fact-- have even gone a STEP further saying that not only are race and gender intertwined, but class and sexual orientation.

Black Feminism has went WELL beyond that "proposition" that here.
Cogito2 wrote:
We as a collective, stand on the precipice of total ruination as your ilk speak of black women empowerment.
My "ilk"?... please...

Black women empowerment IS black communal empowerment-- it encompasses everything such when looking at it's history, including class and sexual orientation.

Way ahead of anything incompetent black men and incompetent black male leadership have "proposed" or have YET to "propose"-- even in this day and age!
Cogito2 wrote:
Our families and communities lie in a state of abject disrepair, with an entire generation of young people essentially lost and black women believe that their further empowerment is the solution?
Their original dis-empowerment by black men sure as heck isn't and wasn't!
Cogito2 wrote:
The world is an imperfect place where true equality does not exist.
I really hope you are not going where I think you are going with this.
Cogito2 wrote:
Black men are not equal to white men, politically, socially or economically and no amount of ideological begging with alter this truth. We either unify and build or we perish.
Except this "truth" is exactly what this concept of the black race needing to "unify and build" is actively fighting against.

You cannot tell black women to shut up and expect their inferiority status, but then expect them to jump on the bandwagon when you want them to fight for the things that mainly affect someone telling you to relinquish in yours, also

This is what many black men fail to understand in the analogy here.

You tell us that there is inequality in the world and that black women need to just face the reality of it within their OWN respective community and just unite with the black man whom himself has aims of fighting against the very same inequality that you just rationalized as being the unalterable "truth". Which somehow should translate to it either being unchangeable or not immediate to be dealt with now and should be postponed to a later date.

IT is the very definition of hypocritical and has no place in a community that is about equality for all.

If we truly want to solve the dilemma, we must take the bigoted plank out of our own eye (in the form of sexism) before trying to analyze the speck in others (in the form of fighting white-on-black racism).

It makes no sense leading the charge against bigotry when we ourselves are pristine examples of it (ie. Hip Hop). We only look foolish, childish and stupid, and our words can never be trusted.

“I am”

Level 8

Since: Jul 11

The Original Intention

#403 Jun 15, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>I never stated that..you're adding to my comment..which makes you intelligently dishonest..I said there was numerous rapes and crimes. Why pretend this didn't happen..that some BW were victims during this tragedy?
<quoted text>
Why is it always and either or? Clearly..you would not want to ignore the rapes and crimes? Clearly you would not be asking us to ignore BW being raped?
<quoted text>off topic again..This isn't a thread about a gender war..not interested..
<quoted text>You cannot define another person..You don't have that authority..one could be Black, woman, Christian, African..as much as they want..can give each as much value as they please...You can only determine your own label...nothing more
This is what I mean by you are speaking to intelligent people so you need to speak intelligently.

I am not trying to pretend it didn't happen. I am saying that MORE x100000 BM and BW came together than against each other.

Your view isn't realistic.
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#404 Jun 15, 2013
MrAnderson9 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you're trying to define other women. You can only speak for you. I have just as much of a right to speak on other BW as you do. If you can define other bw, then I can too.
Nobody is defining anyone else..nobody has that right.. We're defining only ourselves...people simply need to come to terms with what authorities they simply do not have...and stop trying to pass their will off on other people..
MrAnderson9 wrote:
Again.. our influence isn't specific to one gender. If you can show me how you have isolated your influence to only affect one gender, then I will allow you to speak on behalf of all black women and I will understand how the "black feminist" movement is possible.
Until then, it's just the typical anti bm propaganda from the same ol tired arse "black feminists" .
You cannot allow me to do anything..you have no authority..and you should come to terms with that..You don't even have ownership of my humanity or worth..with that being said..anyone reading my posts and honest..see I have clearly stated I'm against extreme feminist who would encourage misandry..dehumanization men is not the solution for discrimination towards women...I have also stated..BM/BW are linked together as one..
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#405 Jun 15, 2013
MrAnderson9 wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what I mean by you are speaking to intelligent people so you need to speak intelligently.
off-topic
MrAnderson9 wrote:
I am not trying to pretend it didn't happen. I am saying that MORE x100000 BM and BW came together than against each other.
Your view isn't realistic.
and I'm not comparing them..I'm speaking of the rapes and crimes...it shouldn't be a problem for you..We should be encouraging anti-rape and crimes against BW..no?
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#406 Jun 15, 2013
untouchable_cat wrote:
<quoted text>
...
<quoted text>
No serious black feminist has said this, sir. They -- in fact-- have even gone a STEP further saying that not only are race and gender intertwined, but class and sexual orientation.
Black Feminism has went WELL beyond that "proposition" that here.
<quoted text>
My "ilk"?... please...
Black women empowerment IS black communal empowerment-- it encompasses everything such when looking at it's history, including class and sexual orientation.
Way ahead of anything incompetent black men and incompetent black male leadership have "proposed" or have YET to "propose"-- even in this day and age!
<quoted text>
Their original dis-empowerment by black men sure as heck isn't and wasn't!
<quoted text>
I really hope you are not going where I think you are going with this.
<quoted text>
Except this "truth" is exactly what this concept of the black race needing to "unify and build" is actively fighting against.
You cannot tell black women to shut up and expect their inferiority status, but then expect them to jump on the bandwagon when you want them to fight for the things that mainly affect someone telling you to relinquish in yours, also
This is what many black men fail to understand in the analogy here.
You tell us that there is inequality in the world and that black women need to just face the reality of it within their OWN respective community and just unite with the black man whom himself has aims of fighting against the very same inequality that you just rationalized as being the unalterable "truth". Which somehow should translate to it either being unchangeable or not immediate to be dealt with now and should be postponed to a later date.
IT is the very definition of hypocritical and has no place in a community that is about equality for all.
If we truly want to solve the dilemma, we must take the bigoted plank out of our own eye (in the form of sexism) before trying to analyze the speck in others (in the form of fighting white-on-black racism).
It makes no sense leading the charge against bigotry when we ourselves are pristine examples of it (ie. Hip Hop). We only look foolish, childish and stupid, and our words can never be trusted.
* Standing Ovation*

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#407 Jun 15, 2013
@ untouchable cat
Why do you emotional chicks keep asserting that we are trying to tell you what to do? The OP floats a proposition and we, in turn, render our perspective on it. Simply because we disagree with it, does not mean we are trying to control you are dictate to you your course of action.

I have said repeatedly, DO AS YOU PLEASE, but it is counter-intuitive for a body of people (BM) to sacrifice or give a damn about a body of people (BW), who separates themselves from the collective body. In fact, you should go at it along, because you have repeatedly referenced our inept leadership, though we haven't been in the homes in wholesale numbers since the 70's.

Black women do not require either our consent or approval to pursuit their agendas, but once again; just don't invoke brother/sisterhood or tradition when the proverbial shyt hits the fan. Other than that....best wishes on your journey to empowerment!
theCat

Miami, FL

#408 Jun 15, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
<quoted text>Black women in kind, may do as they please, however, we only ask that if they choose this separatist course of actions in these perilous times, when we as a people lie prostate on a stretcher, that they acknowledge by doing so, that they forfeit any future claims on our love, protection and resources.
Hilarious... You give black men way too much credit.

Not too much "love" in a community where marriage is an all-time low, yet pregnancies, promiscuity, fatherless-oow children, and diseases at an all-time high.

We live in the 21st century, men are no longer "protectors" anymore. Nor should we have to be.
And if we were, black men would be piss-poor at that, seeing as how a good percentage of our "protection" is behind bars.

And "resources"... lol... this is funny.
Cogito2 wrote:
Say what you will but the modern strain of Feminism is anti-male and hate driven with an US against THEM tenor.
Funny... you will hear many whites say the exact same thing about today's modern strain of black empowerment. Given your comments about "unifying and building", you don't much agree with that, do you? The point? There's a side to every story-- and oftentimes it's better left told by those whom represent that side being told ON.
Cogito2 wrote:
We are living in the mist of a generation of males that are weak kneed and unassertive due to the effects from the first wave of feminism and this one will surely exacerbate it further; but you guys insist that now is the time.
Wow... you asserted that feminism initially DID have a place, now you are claiming it made males "weak-kneed" and "unassertive"? Well, thank God it did! Any society whom thinks producing a banal generation of assertive, meat-head men is one that I and most others would not want to live in.
Cogito2 wrote:
Do as you wish, but don't complain about the quality of black masculinity available for your daughters in granddaughters when you and yours have sowed the seeds of their destruction with your demands and entitlements during a time when we should be about US.
Black masculinity and the way black males have typically thought about it and went in ways of constructing its image has been the PROBLEM in the black community, and still is! Hip Hop being prime example! Enough of the black masculinity-- I am tired of it as are many others.

There is no such thing as "masculinity" anyways. No one can identify a single "masculine" or "feminine" characteristic, because such concepts are simply the figment of the imagination and do NOT exist. It is a defunct term that is only holdover from an era dominated by religiously lunacy that has long gone past-- and hopefully will be extinct!
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#409 Jun 15, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
Somebody needs to back away from the keyboard; she's showing symptoms of having a meltdown. The situation I was describing is one that when war breaks out....real World War, goods and basic necessities become scarce, and when the exigencies are scarce, crime increases because people kill to procure their needs.
It is a bunch of emotional goobly gook when she says that every black woman has a black man at her side to protect her, when in fact, in most black neighborhoods there are few black men present: just a few beta males and women and children.
I speak of black women and children needing the protection of black men as a collective, not based on their individual family configurations. And if you alienate this collective body of bm, you will be exposing yourselves to those scavengers that would do you harm; particularly if these brothers and fathers are away fighting in the war.
Speaking of reality...BW have "never" (there are exceptions) had the collective protection from her race of men....so there is nothing to lose..there is a reason why the slogan says, BW are the least protected women/group in the world..
Cogito2 wrote:
Nobody is threatening or attempting to frighten women; but it is the duty of men to consider every possible contingency. And with the storm brewing; it's possible. That's why they have hundreds of Fema camps built around the US.
#274
Like I said you black women really do not understand how f ucked your position is.Don't worry though,when it all comes crashing down there will still be enough of us black men left to remind you.
Marcus Washington

Austin, TX

#410 Jun 15, 2013
Damn ya'll can type like a Mofo!
theCat

Miami, FL

#411 Jun 15, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
@ untouchable cat
Why do you emotional chicks keep asserting that we are trying to tell you what to do? The OP floats a proposition and we, in turn, render our perspective on it. Simply because we disagree with it, does not mean we are trying to control you are dictate to you your course of action.
I have said repeatedly, DO AS YOU PLEASE, but it is counter-intuitive for a body of people (BM) to sacrifice or give a damn about a body of people (BW), who separates themselves from the collective body. In fact, you should go at it along, because you have repeatedly referenced our inept leadership, though we haven't been in the homes in wholesale numbers since the 70's.
Black women do not require either our consent or approval to pursuit their agendas, but once again; just don't invoke brother/sisterhood or tradition when the proverbial shyt hits the fan. Other than that....best wishes on your journey to empowerment!
Black women nor black feminists do not believe in "going their separate ways", because no one can go their "separate way" in a world endlessly connected! Isolationism is no longer possible in this world. Thus, dialogue IS A and THE necessity here.
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#412 Jun 15, 2013
Cogito2 wrote:
@ untouchable cat
Why do you emotional chicks keep asserting that we are trying to tell you what to do? The OP floats a proposition and we, in turn, render our perspective on it. Simply because we disagree with it, does not mean we are trying to control you are dictate to you your course of action.
I have said repeatedly, DO AS YOU PLEASE, but it is counter-intuitive for a body of people (BM) to sacrifice or give a damn about a body of people (BW), who separates themselves from the collective body. In fact, you should go at it along, because you have repeatedly referenced our inept leadership, though we haven't been in the homes in wholesale numbers since the 70's.
Black women do not require either our consent or approval to pursuit their agendas, but once again; just don't invoke brother/sisterhood or tradition when the proverbial shyt hits the fan. Other than that....best wishes on your journey to empowerment!
What will you do for women? Feminist has/is global. You're going to adapt whether you like it or not...just like Whites did..so you're fighting a losing battle.

“I am”

Level 8

Since: Jul 11

The Original Intention

#413 Jun 15, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody is defining anyone else..nobody has that right.. We're defining only ourselves...people simply need to come to terms with what authorities they simply do not have...and stop trying to pass their will off on other people..
<quoted text>You cannot allow me to do anything..you have no authority..and you should come to terms with that..You don't even have ownership of my humanity or worth..with that being said..anyone reading my posts and honest..see I have clearly stated I'm against extreme feminist who would encourage misandry..dehumanization men is not the solution for discrimination towards women...I have also stated..BM/BW are linked together as one..
Okay, so define your idea of "black feminism movement" in detail :)

“I am”

Level 8

Since: Jul 11

The Original Intention

#414 Jun 15, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>off-topic<quoted text>and I'm not comparing them..I'm speaking of the rapes and crimes...it shouldn't be a problem for you..We should be encouraging anti-rape and crimes against BW..no?
Yes we should... but... if we acknowledge the bad... we must also acknowledge the good.

Intellectual dishonesty is your lack of acknowledgement for the good.
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#415 Jun 15, 2013
theCat wrote:
<quoted text>
Black women nor black feminists do not believe in "going their separate ways", because no one can go their "separate way" in a world endlessly connected! Isolationism is no longer possible in this world. Thus, dialogue IS A and THE necessity here.
cosign..I don't know how many times..I repeated.."it's all interlocked"..I need to quote MLK jr.. injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere :)
We're going to deal with each other always...
Level 6

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#416 Jun 15, 2013
MrAnderson9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes we should... but... if we acknowledge the bad... we must also acknowledge the good.
Intellectual dishonesty is your lack of acknowledgement for the good.
You must have not been reading my posts..I gave personal examples of both good and bad BM and BW within my family.

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