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#1 Jun 10, 2013
Women's rights..much of the conversation has been centered around what a woman is physically and mentally capable of doing or what she should be allowed to do.. Let's discuss who women are..which isn't the totality of what she does (housewife, mother, career woman, or politician)..

Although, one should limit the amount of importance of those who opinions, beliefs, and hate seek only their selfish gratification by maintaining a status quo. However, one cannot successfully operate as a BW in isolation..so the temptation to dismiss the input of others is not the solution for societal discrimination. They should only be used as an informative measuring stick & temperature reader. It's not the job of BW to change the hearts & minds of bigots. But it is our responsible to influence society to evolve with us...securing our "value" and rights.

So the feminist movement and it's off-shot..the black feminist movement been "one-sided" victories in some cases..allowing us to gain some advancements at the cost of some losses..Though "we" have successfully legislated public policy..what about the attitudes of those within the society? Some may argue it's unimportance on one's daily life..however.."we" don't live in a bubble. So we do "depend" on others for companionship, jobs, etc.
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#2 Jun 10, 2013
Some particular perceptions of women..and especially black women because most of the stereotypical ideas can also be attached to race as well..are ingrained in many.. They are:
*sexual objects
*less intelligent
*property/subhuman
*deserving of abuse

The question is..how should BW maneuver in society with these attitudes towards us? What influences can we contribute to changes in our interest?
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#4 Jun 10, 2013
Me/non Blacks are welcome to comment..minus the hate :)
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#5 Jun 10, 2013
men/non Blacks*
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#6 Jun 10, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
Some particular perceptions of women..and especially black women because most of the stereotypical ideas can also be attached to race as well..are ingrained in many.. They are:
*sexual objects
*less intelligent
*property/subhuman
*deserving of abuse
The question is..how should BW maneuver in society with these attitudes towards us? What influences can we contribute to changes in our interest?
As far as working on influence social culture & public opinion..we would need to promote the progression of NEW ideas through educating..avoiding allegory, and flawed accounts of history..doing our part of not objectifying our physical bodies that G-d entrusted us..
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#7 Jun 10, 2013
* The shaping of our own presentation of self-our responsibility

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#8 Jun 10, 2013
For some reason, I have a difficult time with seeing the Black agenda being expressed through any concept of feminism; even if it IS "Black Feminism".

Feminism, in & of itself has been euro-centric from its foundation. Women's Suffrage too was an institution heavily steeped in the concerns pertaining to white women.

If the Black woman is going to be about her nation and the women consisting of it, I personally don't believe any form of feminism is going to satisfy her palette of her seeing various forms of much needed social justices materialized.

DISCLAIMER: This is just MY OPINION. I'm only speaking on the behalf of ME.

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#9 Jun 10, 2013
Although I never actively participated in the 'feminist movement', I certainly can appreciate that it has significant meaning in our society. Women still have immense struggles ahead in order to find equal footing in a male based society. It is even more of a struggle for women of 'colour'. One of my former teachers at UCLA was the amazing Angela Davis who taught me so much and opened my eyes to activism on a much broader scale than I had been exposed to prior to our interaction. I have the utmost respect for her and she has written quite a few books, some dealing with the subject you are now discussing. Here is a link to her and a list of some of her books are included in her biography at UC Santa Cruz. I hope you will find it helpful. Excellent topic, by the way. I hope people will contribute here as it is a very important subject.

http://feministstudies.ucsc.edu/faculty/singl...

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#10 Jun 10, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
Some particular perceptions of women..and especially black women because most of the stereotypical ideas can also be attached to race as well..are ingrained in many.. They are:
*sexual objects
*less intelligent
*property/subhuman
*deserving of abuse
The question is..how should BW maneuver in society with these attitudes towards us? What influences can we contribute to changes in our interest?
I concur; the Black woman IS a sexual object, and every chance I get I WILL sexually OBJECTIFY you.

I'll remain a gentleman...but I will exploit you...

...in private of course.
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#13 Jun 12, 2013
vampiYAH stabB wrote:
For some reason, I have a difficult time with seeing the Black agenda being expressed through any concept of feminism; even if it IS "Black Feminism".
Feminism, in & of itself has been euro-centric from its foundation. Women's Suffrage too was an institution heavily steeped in the concerns pertaining to white women.
If the Black woman is going to be about her nation and the women consisting of it, I personally don't believe any form of feminism is going to satisfy her palette of her seeing various forms of much needed social justices materialized.
DISCLAIMER: This is just MY OPINION. I'm only speaking on the behalf of ME.
Interesting..so you see BW as just Black..do you see BM as just Black as well "if you do"? You do not believe that we also have gender concerns/issues or that they too should be expressed within the Black agenda? Do you believe women face gender discriminations and injustices..if so..you think just WW/non-BW and not BW?
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#14 Jun 12, 2013
NotSoDivineMsM wrote:
Although I never actively participated in the 'feminist movement', I certainly can appreciate that it has significant meaning in our society. Women still have immense struggles ahead in order to find equal footing in a male based society. It is even more of a struggle for women of 'colour'.
Women of color have an even steeper claim..I had no idea NA women suffered the most out of women from domestic abuse and/or was it abuse at the hands of WM?....until I read that from you awhile back..
NotSoDivineMsM wrote:
One of my former teachers at UCLA was the amazing Angela Davis who taught me so much and opened my eyes to activism on a much broader scale than I had been exposed to prior to our interaction. I have the utmost respect for her and she has written quite a few books, some dealing with the subject you are now discussing. Here is a link to her and a list of some of her books are included in her biography at UC Santa Cruz. I hope you will find it helpful. Excellent topic, by the way. I hope people will contribute here as it is a very important subject.
http://feministstudies.ucsc.edu/faculty/singl...
Thanks for the link..will view it write after my reply to you :)
I'm hoping more thoughts, posts, and beliefs are shared in this thread as well..one of my biggest issues when MEN address the feminist movement..and the black feminist movement is when they have little to no questions directed at WW or other non-BW..not only is that unfair/racist..it's unproductive..how can the very group who started and heavily supported it NOT contribute to the burden of (explaining)it's effect?

P.S.. It must have been a huge blessing to learn under Angela Davis...that is just amazing..
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#15 Jun 12, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>As far as working on influence social culture & public opinion..we would need to promote the progression of NEW ideas through educating..avoiding allegory, and flawed accounts of history..doing our part of not objectifying our physical bodies that G-d entrusted us..
I love this thread! I would not describe myself as a feminist, but I am for any movement that addresses/ caters to BW issues and promotes our self interests first.

I think that education is a great start, but protecting our public image and fighting back against programming that demeans our image will go a long way.

Also supporting BW who own businesses and recycling this money amongst ourselves would help ensure our own financial power.

Just some thoughts.....
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#16 Jun 12, 2013
Spit-Fire wrote:
<quoted text>
I love this thread! I would not describe myself as a feminist, but I am for any movement that addresses/ caters to BW issues and promotes our self interests first.
I think that education is a great start, but protecting our public image and fighting back against programming that demeans our image will go a long way.
Also supporting BW who own businesses and recycling this money amongst ourselves would help ensure our own financial power.
Just some thoughts.....
I like what you're saying..empowering ourselves by refashioning and protecting our public image..which can be accomplish by group effort and our individual behavior.. I would love see more BW get into media control..I don't feel like we utilize free social media (like youtube)to our benefit..outside of showcasing (and educating)long natural hair..we need more of us to cover a wide range of topics & interests such as increasing our presences in careers we are scarce, developing our character..and networking.

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#17 Jun 12, 2013
I love strong feminist women both black and white they turn me on and the sex is soooo good.But I don't look at women as sex objects but intellectual
equals.
Spit-Fire

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#18 Jun 12, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>I like what you're saying..empowering ourselves by refashioning and protecting our public image..which can be accomplish by group effort and our individual behavior.. I would love see more BW get into media control..I don't feel like we utilize free social media (like youtube)to our benefit..outside of showcasing (and educating)long natural hair..we need more of us to cover a wide range of topics & interests such as increasing our presences in careers we are scarce, developing our character..and networking.
Right...networking!! BW are such a under appreciated goldmine. When BW are catered to as consumers..we are loyal.

Are you familiar with some of the Black Female orgs

HEALTH
Black Girls Workout Too
Black Girls Run

EDUCATION
Black Girls Code promotes young BW to get into tech and they have paired with Curl Revolution to promote natural hair

Self Esteem
Black Girls Rock

Ownership
She Thrives Network

They all have FB pages..its a start. If we get organized we can do some damage!!!
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#19 Jun 12, 2013
iamcuriousnow wrote:
I love strong feminist women both black and white they turn me on and the sex is soooo good.But I don't look at women as sex objects but intellectual
equals.
It's interesting how some men look at feminist different..the pros and the cons...
I can appreciate a supporter for "women's rights"
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#20 Jun 12, 2013
Spit-Fire wrote:
<quoted text>
Right...networking!! BW are such a under appreciated goldmine. When BW are catered to as consumers..we are loyal.
Are you familiar with some of the Black Female orgs
HEALTH
Black Girls Workout Too
Black Girls Run
EDUCATION
Black Girls Code promotes young BW to get into tech and they have paired with Curl Revolution to promote natural hair
Self Esteem
Black Girls Rock
Ownership
She Thrives Network
They all have FB pages..its a start. If we get organized we can do some damage!!!
Thanks for the resources..much needed...
I do know there are plenty of BW out there making a differences and it's growing..I think there was a post about Black females out-enrolling everyone else..so we are clearly being productive in areas needed..* I think I would bump that thread* and see if I can find more info..on what areas of studies these young ladies are interested in..
On another note..we do make great consumers..however..we need to make two things happen..take charge and demand some properly representation in the products we buy..and second..circulate our money among each other..
Speaking of FB..are the those groups full or they growing?
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#21 Jun 12, 2013
*proper

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#22 Jun 12, 2013
Proud Sis wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting..so you see BW as just Black..do you see BM as just Black as well "if you do"? You do not believe that we also have gender concerns/issues or that they too should be expressed within the Black agenda? Do you believe women face gender discriminations and injustices..if so..you think just WW/non-BW and not BW?
No, Proud, Black women being nothing more than being "Black" is not what I'm implying. As I've previously stated, "If the Black woman is going to be about her nation AND (emphasis on "AND") the women consisting of it, I personally don't believe any form of feminism is going to satisfy her palette of her seeing various forms of much needed social justices materialized."

I realize as Black women you all bear issues of concern of being BOTH Black and being women...however I don't feel revising a "feminist" movement even if it is SUPPOSED to be transliterated into something to suit the causes of Black women is something that needs to be set in place...not as of YET anyway.

I'm afraid that the very essence of "feminism" and what it REALLY means will just alienate the Black woman further from Black men & that's just something OUR people don't need. I know that you being an IRBW things like that don't really concern you, but they concern me.

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#23 Jun 13, 2013
Besides, I just don't see the ethical functionality of any concept that wants to blend feminism with being a Black woman. And when I say "being a Black woman", I mean much, MUCH more than just her skin tone.

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