Ancient Africa's Black Kingdoms
moor83

Chicago, IL

#289 Feb 22, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
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your welcome....let NO ONE tell you this person is not of authentic African descent.
http://anthropology.si.edu/olmec/english/site...
Know that there is a western conspiracy to obliterate any and all African contributions to the world. It's just NOT in the interest of the west to be honest about African contributions to the world.
twenty bucks...when rocks cry out barnes and noble or amazon....horace butler found heliopolis in mexico..it is teotihuacan. that is egypt's city it is described in detail by herodotus. guess wat if heliopolis is there according to the records than memphis is nearby. than you'd see why they can't find memphis or heliopolis in north east africa. they placed an obelisk as a rememberance of where they think the world's biggest city in ancient time disappeared at. it didn't disappear it is in the americas.
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#290 Feb 22, 2013
moor83 wrote:
<quoted text>twenty bucks...when rocks cry out barnes and noble or amazon....horace butler found heliopolis in mexico..it is teotihuacan. that is egypt's city it is described in detail by herodotus. guess wat if heliopolis is there according to the records than memphis is nearby. than you'd see why they can't find memphis or heliopolis in north east africa. they placed an obelisk as a rememberance of where they think the world's biggest city in ancient time disappeared at. it didn't disappear it is in the americas.
You are in the running for the most wacked out Afronazi in here. I mean they're all nuts, but Egypt in Mexico? LOL!!!

I think your culo is really the black hole of Calcutta, boy!
Anonymous

Ashburn, VA

#291 Feb 22, 2013
The olmec statues could easily pass for Southeast Asian. Southeast asians have facial features that similar to west African peoples.
Anonymous

Ashburn, VA

#292 Feb 22, 2013
Anonymous

Ashburn, VA

#293 Feb 22, 2013
trollslayer

Thornton, IL

#294 Feb 22, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
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No, we all have our own perception of reality. I'm not concerning peoples' opinions on life right now.
I'm concerning informed, objective scientific deductions.
Actual real reality says that there is no evidence of African presence in the Americas prior to 1492.
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"To you" is immaterial, since you already admitted that nothing placed in front of your face will ever convince you of an alternative conclusion.
The conclusion you're reached is based on no actual evidence in the first place.
Those heads don't prove Africans were here. There is essentially nothing connecting them to Africa one way or the other, since there is no evidence that Africans built them, nor is there evidence that Africans even settled here at all.
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There are no Africans today or then who look like the Olmecs:
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images...
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Just like you cannot adequately explain this?:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_19...
What African group was responsible for creating this sculpture, or any other Olmec sculpture?
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Means nothing. There is still no evidence that either you or anyone has posited that corroborates any African presence in the Americas in ancient times.
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None this means anything.
I have read and own much of Basil Davidson's work. He's never said or even hinted that he believed that the Olmecs were African.
Dr. Walter Neves and Richard Neave also never said anything about any African Olmecs, so what are you talking about?
People like Wiercinski and Weiner have already been dealt with, and in the latter case, debunked. Neither source is corroborated or even taken seriously by modern day specialists.
This list is just a bunch of names, not evidence of anything. A lot of those people aren't/weren't even scientists and NONE were SPECIALISTS in mesoamerican history or anthropology.
I want you to name even one MODERN mesoamerican scholar and/or scientist that believes Olmecs were Africans.
good luck with your "reality", as it is NOT mine. We will agree to dis-agree on the Olmec topic.
trollslayer

Thornton, IL

#295 Feb 22, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we all have our own perception of reality. I'm not concerning peoples' opinions on life right now.
I'm concerning informed, objective scientific deductions.
Actual real reality says that there is no evidence of African presence in the Americas prior to 1492.
<quoted text>
"To you" is immaterial, since you already admitted that nothing placed in front of your face will ever convince you of an alternative conclusion.
.....and you have taken the stance of " no evidence of African presence in the Americas prior to 1492." I guess without intensely exploring the possibilities. It you prerogative.

I will not argue whats best you. You come to your "realty", I will come to mine. Again, we agree to dis-agree. Be at peace with it my friend
moor83

Chicago, IL

#296 Feb 22, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
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.....and you have taken the stance of " no evidence of African presence in the Americas prior to 1492." I guess without intensely exploring the possibilities. It you prerogative.
I will not argue whats best you. You come to your "realty", I will come to mine. Again, we agree to dis-agree. Be at peace with it my friend
http://www.tshaonline.org/hand book/online/articles/bmd13

dogon^^^^

and mandinka

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/art...

let them keep their heads in they azz
moor83

Chicago, IL

#297 Feb 22, 2013

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#298 Feb 22, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
good luck with your "reality", as it is NOT mine. We will agree to dis-agree on the Olmec topic.
What do you mean "my reality"? This isn't my opinion. This isn't a belief of mine or a personal philosophy. It is scientific, logical deduction, and not my own, but of established experts on the matter.
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
.....and you have taken the stance of " no evidence of African presence in the Americas prior to 1492." I guess without intensely exploring the possibilities. It you prerogative.
No it isn't "my prerogative". It's a scientific conclusion made by scientific experts that has never been successfully challenged or dislodged.

Once again, this isn't some subjective opinion of mine, as you, for whatever reason, seem to be treating it as. This is reality. Not my so called "reality" either, but the reality of the GLOBAL scientific community.

The same community responsible for confirming that Great Zimbabwe was the achievement of Africans and not Phoenicians, Persians or some other madness, is the same scientific community that has confirmed that the Olmecs were non-African Natives of America.

This has nothing to do with "my prerogative". It has nothing to do with me at all; it's to do with what has been established in the scientific community.
trollslayer wrote:
I will not argue whats best you. You come to your "realty", I will come to mine. Again, we agree to dis-agree. Be at peace with it my friend
This isn't "my reality". This is THE reality. This is SCIENTIFIC reality.

There has been no scientific evidence that has been corroborated by MODERN scholars and scientists that suggests any African presence in the Americas.

If there has, and I am wrong, then unlike you I will concede to an alternative perspective. However, so far, I have been deprived of any name of any specialist that would change that perspective.
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#299 Feb 22, 2013
moor83 wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/art...
dogon^^^^
and mandinka
http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/art...
let them keep their heads in they azz
"an otherwise unidentified tribe, was mentioned by Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca as living inland from the Doguene "

moor83...what else can you tell me about these PPL.? Are you saying they had something to do with the dogon?
Barros Serrano

Silver City, NM

#300 Feb 22, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
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"an otherwise unidentified tribe, was mentioned by Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca as living inland from the Doguene "
moor83...what else can you tell me about these PPL.? Are you saying they had something to do with the dogon?
So how many peoples have you numbnuts claimed have been in America... basically anyone who looks “black”. LOL...

So, Melanesians, negritos, Khoisan, Mande, and now Dogon, Egyptians of course... Did I miss anyone? Oh yes and loads of “black Moors” whoever the hell that was... more Mande? Fulani?

In fact, there is no good EVIDENCE for Africans in America. There is so much negative evidence... like lack of disease immunity among Natives... that it is highly unlikely that any such contact occurred.

That Afro-looking head is FAKE. I can see what some Afronazi is doing with those websites... lol... how desperate! And PROOF that they are frauds, as they're falsifying websites in order to convince people.

How pathetic. Well, we have EVIDENCE confirming that the Olmecs are from Soconusco, so whatchagonnado?

Whom shall I believe, Michael Coe the foremost archaeologist of Mesoamerica along with the large group of archaeologists who've excavated evidence confirming Coe's conclusions, or an Afronazi cultish dropout with a racist attitude? Hmmmm...
trollslayer

Schererville, IN

#301 Feb 22, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean "my reality"? This isn't my opinion. This isn't a belief of mine or a personal philosophy. It is scientific, logical deduction, and not my own, but of established experts on the matter.
<quoted text>
No it isn't "my prerogative". It's a scientific conclusion made by scientific experts that has never been successfully challenged or dislodged.
Once again, this isn't some subjective opinion of mine, as you, for whatever reason, seem to be treating it as. This is reality. Not my so called "reality" either, but the reality of the GLOBAL scientific community.
The same community responsible for confirming that Great Zimbabwe was the achievement of Africans and not Phoenicians, Persians or some other madness, is the same scientific community that has confirmed that the Olmecs were non-African Natives of America.
This has nothing to do with "my prerogative". It has nothing to do with me at all; it's to do with what has been established in the scientific community.
<quoted text>
This isn't "my reality". This is THE reality. This is SCIENTIFIC reality.
There has been no scientific evidence that has been corroborated by MODERN scholars and scientists that suggests any African presence in the Americas.
If there has, and I am wrong, then unlike you I will concede to an alternative perspective. However, so far, I have been deprived of any name of any specialist that would change that perspective.
alternative perspective.....yes that's my direction.

" Once again, this isn't some subjective opinion of mine, as you, for whatever reason, seem to be treating it as. This is reality. Not my so called "reality" either, but the reality of the GLOBAL scientific community.

The same community responsible for confirming that Great Zimbabwe was the achievement of Africans and not Phoenicians, Persians or some other madness, is the same scientific community that has confirmed that the Olmecs were non-African Natives of America.
This has nothing to do with "my prerogative". It has nothing to do with me at all; it's to do with what has been established in the scientific community."
_______

Your 1st mistake is going along with the so-called "established in the scientific community."

"established scientific community" means what is agreed upon within a "certain group , a certain few ". HIS-story

Have you thoroughly researched the Phoenicians and Olmecs(which again is not their proper name)?

If you are who you say you are, I can only hope the you look at the African perspective and let it guide you to the truth.
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#302 Feb 22, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>your welcome....let NO ONE tell you this person is not of authentic African descent.
http://anthropology.si.edu/olmec/english/site...

Know that there is a western conspiracy to obliterate any and all African contributions to the world. It's just NOT in the interest of the west to be honest about African contributions to the world.
Sir, even my husband who isn't black is knowledgable of the great contributions that Africans have made worldwide throughout history.

He like other white people I've met know about African expeditions to the Western Hemisphere and the empires that they created.

He also knows like many other white people that the original man and woman were black created in the image of God.

He's not from the USA so I believe that is why he knows so much about great African empires.

Many Americans aren't aware of African history and African civilizations.

The bible has a lot of information on it.
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#303 Feb 22, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>No, we all have our own perception of reality. I'm not concerning peoples' opinions on life right now.

I'm concerning informed, objective scientific deductions.

Actual real reality says that there is no evidence of African presence in the Americas prior to 1492.

trollslayer wrote, "Right now those heads prove to me that a PPL. of African descendent were in the Americas."

"To you" is immaterial, since you already admitted that nothing placed in front of your face will ever convince you of an alternative conclusion.

The conclusion you're reached is based on no actual evidence in the first place.

Those heads don't prove Africans were here. There is essentially nothing connecting them to Africa one way or the other, since there is no evidence that Africans built them, nor is there evidence that Africans even settled here at all.

trollslayer wrote, " There are no natives today or then who look like the Olmecs."

There are no Africans today or then who look like the Olmecs:

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images...

trollslayer wrote, " And no one can adequately explain them to my satisfaction."

Just like you cannot adequately explain this?:

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_19...

What African group was responsible for creating this sculpture, or any other Olmec sculpture?

trollslayer wrote, "
History IS NOT concrete. History is NOT absolute."

Means nothing. There is still no evidence that either you or anyone has posited that corroborates any African presence in the Americas in ancient times.

trollslayer wrote, " All these PPL. below have written about the Olmecs(which isn't their real name) and or PPL. of African descent check into them if you chose.
Bartolomé de las Casas
Christopher Columbus
Paul Gaffarel
Peter de Roo
Armand de Quatrefages
Paul Rivet
Constantine Rafinesques
Alexander Humboldt
Basil Davidson
Mac Menamin
Leo Weiner
Petrus Martyr
Vasco Nunez Balboa
Dr. Clarence Weiant
Karl von Rotteck
Conrad Malte-Brun
Victor Malte-Brun
José Maria Melgar y Serrano
Beatriz de la Fuente,
Carlo "CC" Marquez
Dr. Walter Neves
Richard Neave
Von Wuthenau
Dr. Matthew W. Stirling
Dr.Andrzej Wiercinski"

None this means anything.

I have read and own much of Basil Davidson's work. He's never said or even hinted that he believed that the Olmecs were African.

Dr. Walter Neves and Richard Neave also never said anything about any African Olmecs, so what are you talking about?

People like Wiercinski and Weiner have already been dealt with, and in the latter case, debunked. Neither source is corroborated or even taken seriously by modern day specialists.

This list is just a bunch of names, not evidence of anything. A lot of those people aren't/weren't even scientists and NONE were SPECIALISTS in mesoamerican history or anthropology.

I want you to name even one MODERN mesoamerican scholar and/or scientist that believes Olmecs were Africans.
The bible states otherwise, sir.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#304 Feb 22, 2013
trollslayer wrote:
_______
Your 1st mistake is going along with the so-called "established in the scientific community."
"established scientific community" means what is agreed upon within a "certain group , a certain few ". HIS-story
And where is the mistake exactly? You're now telling me that it is a mistake to accept science and logic as valid? The same science and logic that has made the exploration and examination of African history possible?

And just what kind of alternative do you propose?
trollslayer wrote:
Have you thoroughly researched the Phoenicians and Olmecs(which again is not their proper name)?
Not to any great depth. I've thoroughly researched the history West Africa though.
trollslayer wrote:
If you are who you say you are, I can only hope the you look at the African perspective and let it guide you to the truth.
Oh it definitely has, and truthfully, I'm getting quite tired of people trying to associate Africans with the damn Olmecs, or any other non-African Native Americans, or any non-African history.

I'm tired of people spreading lies about African history, fanciful or denigrating, it doesn't matter. It is all DISRESPECTFUL to TRUE African heritage and is something I don't tolerate too well.

No Phoenicians came into Africa and created any Great Zimbabwe civilization, there were never any West African Olmecs, and no West Africans ever sailed to any Americas.

If you are who you say you are, then you will accept this universal reality or provide actual, physical evidence by modern scientists or specialists discrediting it.

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#305 Feb 22, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir, even my husband who isn't black is knowledgable of the great contributions that Africans have made worldwide throughout history.
He like other white people I've met know about African expeditions to the Western Hemisphere and the empires that they created.
Neither you or your 'white' husband "know" any of this, because there is no evidence that it ever occurred. You have not provided any and are incapable of ever doing so.

“esa hembra es mala”

Level 8

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#306 Feb 22, 2013
Barros Serrano wrote:
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Oh now it's “a lot of Berbers were black”. Well, some were.
And what “props” should they get for being abusive parasitic imperialist bastards? Shall we give Europeans props for enslaving Africans, also?
More like the Moors (mostly non-black Berbers) should be given a reparations bill for the problems they caused.
Actually the Berbers that ruled were mostly black so what are you talking about? Do you believe all Berbers were apart of the Conquest of Southern Europe? And even the Berbers today are hybrid so I wouldn't say they're none black. None black would mean NO BLACK ANCESTRY.

Also Euros get props to other Euros for conquering other lands so what's the issue?

iS IT because they were black?

“Africa”

Level 7

Since: Jan 12

Oakland

#307 Feb 22, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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The bible states otherwise, sir.
Science validates everything I've just said.

If you wish to debate the matter, then you have to furnish a modern scientist or mesoamerican specialist to discredit my words.
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#308 Feb 22, 2013
Bakari Neferu wrote:
<quoted text>Neither you or your 'white' husband "know" any of this, because there is no evidence that it ever occurred. You have not provided any and are incapable of ever doing so.
The proof is well documented in the bible, sir.

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