The Moors, Egyptians and Phoenicians ...

Insect Trust
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#1060 Aug 1, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
The Moors were called "black-a-moors" which means what again
Black Moors were not Berbers. They were W Africans, like Fulani and Soninke.

The majority of the Moors in Spain were Berbers. Eurasians, not black.

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#1061 Aug 1, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>And the Moorish Kings and Scientists WERE ALL WHITE:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
Most of the scholars in Moorish Spain were Jews! LOL!!!

And in the Caliiphate, most scholars were Persians and Jews. The educated Persians referred to the conquering Arabs as “sand barbarians”.
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#1062 Aug 1, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Medieval problems were created by Christianity. Do you know any history at all? If so, you know that the Romans built bath houses in every town. Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire, including most of the positive aspects of Roman civilization.
And so, the Moors at least bathed... good.
But to claim that “the Moors civilized Europe” is absurd. For all its faults (and they are many) Christian Medieval Europe was civilized.
Civilization began in Europe by 7000 bp. Vinca. Older than Egyptian civilization.
Moors brought new sciences to Europe. Moors had the biggest cultural civilization in Europe during medeival times. The Moors also reopened sciences of Ancient Greece in Europe including Persian sciences. Cordova was one of the richest cities during medeival times.

The Moor brought Europe out of the Dark Ages.
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#1064 Aug 1, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Medieval problems were created by Christianity. Do you know any history at all? If so, you know that the Romans built bath houses in every town. Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire, including most of the positive aspects of Roman civilization.
And so, the Moors at least bathed... good.
But to claim that “the Moors civilized Europe” is absurd. For all its faults (and they are many) Christian Medieval Europe was civilized.
Civilization began in Europe by 7000 bp. Vinca. Older than Egyptian civilization.
If civilization started in Europe in 7000 B.C. then that would mean that this so called "vinca"
was the first civilization created and NOT SUMER.

Sumer was the worlds first civilization in the word created in 4300 B.C.
But I have never heard of Vinca which you claim predates Sumer.

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#1065 Aug 1, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>TAUREG CARRY BLACK AFRICAN MTDNA thats WHY THEY ARE BLACK! Central Sahara and West Sahara carry BLACK AFRICAN MTDNA! Only the Libyan Taureg carry Eurasian MTDNA! STOP LYING! TAUREG (Central,West) ARE NOT INDIGENOUS TO NORTH AFRICA!
E1b1a IS SUB-SAHARAN DNA NOT NORTH AFRICAN!
Maghrebi people ARE NOT related to black Africans and NEVER WERE!
ALL E DNA came from North Africa including E1b1a. So if you are using that as an argument, you have none. E1b1a migrated throughout Africa, from the North.

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#1066 Aug 1, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Medieval problems were created by Christianity. Do you know any history at all? If so, you know that the Romans built bath houses in every town. Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire, including most of the positive aspects of Roman civilization.
And so, the Moors at least bathed... good.
But to claim that “the Moors civilized Europe” is absurd. For all its faults (and they are many) Christian Medieval Europe was civilized.
Civilization began in Europe by 7000 bp. Vinca. Older than Egyptian civilization.
Lol, your angle. Give them Egypt, because Vinca can be used instead. Lol. No one knows even how those people looked. Older than Egypt? Not older than Kemet, wrong. "Egyptian" artifacts were dated incorrectly. Not surprisingly.
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#1067 Aug 2, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
The Moors were called "black-a-moors" which means what again
DARK SKIN!
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#1068 Aug 2, 2014
Obsidian2xxx wrote:
<quoted text>
ALL E DNA came from North Africa including E1b1a. So if you are using that as an argument, you have none. E1b1a migrated throughout Africa, from the North.
NOPE E1b1a is Sub-Saharan in origin! All Haplogroup E ORIGINATED IN ETHIOPIA! E1b1b WENT INTO NORTH AFRICA and E1b1a WENT TO WEST AFRICA and other Sub-Saharan countries!
INDIGENOUS NORTH AFRICANS LOOKING NOTHING like black Africans:
www.youtube.com/watch...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#1069 Aug 2, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
Moors brought new sciences to Europe. Moors had the biggest cultural civilization in Europe during medeival times. The Moors also reopened sciences of Ancient Greece in Europe including Persian sciences. Cordova was one of the richest cities during medeival times.
The Moor brought Europe out of the Dark Ages.
All Moorish Kings and SCIENTISTS WERE WHITE:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AverroesColor.jpg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Baitar
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Africanus
Ancient MOORS ARE PORTRAYED AS WHITE AND STILL ARE WHITE:
www.youtube.com/watch...
www.youtube.com/watch...
trollslayer

Blue Island, IL

#1070 Aug 2, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever, Europeans during the medieval period didn't even bathe because they considered bathing to be sin. LOL.
So most Europeans during the Medieval Period smelt like PURE ASS. ROFL.
Luckily the Moors introduced over 800 Bath Houses to Spain.
TRUTH.

I read where the queen of England maybe bathed twice a month.
trollslayer

Blue Island, IL

#1071 Aug 2, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Medieval problems were created by Christianity. Do you know any history at all? If so, you know that the Romans built bath houses in every town. Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire, including most of the positive aspects of Roman civilization.
And so, the Moors at least bathed... good.
But to claim that “the Moors civilized Europe” is absurd. For all its faults (and they are many) Christian Medieval Europe was civilized.

[QUOTE who="Insect Trust"]Civilization began in Europe by 7000 bp. Vinca. Older than Egyptian civilization.
the above statement is proof that you're a ignorant, 19th century spewing racist. Most educated PPL. know civilization started in Africa. Plus there are civilizations in Africa much older the Kemet.

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#1074 Aug 2, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
Moors brought new sciences to Europe. Moors had the biggest cultural civilization in Europe during medeival times. The Moors also reopened sciences of Ancient Greece in Europe including Persian sciences. Cordova was one of the richest cities during medeival times.
The Moor brought Europe out of the Dark Ages.
Moors brought Greek, Persian and Indian knowledge to Spain. There was no separate Moorish or Arab science. It was all in ancient books which had nothing to do with Arabs or Moors.

Biggest cultural civilization? You're forgetting about the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium), which did not fall to the Turks until 1453.

The Moors prolonged the Dark Ages by cutting off contact by sea with Byzantium. By the time the Moors arrived, civilization was already re-emerging in Spain. The civic advancements developed by the Moors were simply a return to the civilization which had existed there under Roman rule.

You Afronazis always greatly over-estimate the role of the Moors (who were mostly Eurasian Berbers in any case). By the time the black almoravides and almohades arrived, Moorish Spain had already been built.

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#1075 Aug 2, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
If civilization started in Europe in 7000 B.C. then that would mean that this so called "vinca"
was the first civilization created and NOT SUMER.
Sumer was the worlds first civilization in the word created in 4300 B.C.
But I have never heard of Vinca which you claim predates Sumer.
Your ignorance changes nothing.

Sumer was not the oldest. Evidence increasingly shows that the Harappan civilization was older, and certainly Vinca was.

Sumerian writing came from Vinca. The alphabets are very similar.

Google: Vinca, Tartaria tablet

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#1076 Aug 2, 2014
Obsidian2xxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, your angle. Give them Egypt, because Vinca can be used instead. Lol. No one knows even how those people looked. Older than Egypt? Not older than Kemet, wrong. "Egyptian" artifacts were dated incorrectly. Not surprisingly.
No, fool. I think only of evidence and scientific truth. I have no “racial” agenda, as you do. LOL... it's all a plot to you... because YOUR idiotic Afronazi rap is a plot to assuage your own self-hatred inculcated by whitey. You tool.

Oh sure and all of academia is in on a plot to alter Egyptian dating, LOL!!! You know nothing of academia. Any such error would be corrected by others seeking to be published and to create new knowledge.

Vinca in fact was civilized by 6000 bce at least. It had many cities, an aristocracy, priestesses, metallurgy, extensive trading system, and writing. Civilization.

It is certain that sumerian writing derived from Vincan, and likely Egyptian was influenced by it.

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#1077 Aug 2, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
<quoted text>
the above statement is proof that you're a ignorant, 19th century spewing racist. Most educated PPL. know civilization started in Africa. Plus there are civilizations in Africa much older the Kemet.
Name a civilization proven to exist in Africa older than Kemet. LOL...“Most educated people know...”?????

Most Afronazis BELIEVE, you mean, as part of their desperate attempt to alleviate their self-hatred.

The oldest confirmed civilization known to date is that of Vinca. More evidence will be discovered in the future, and who knows what that will reveal.
KiloEcho

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#1079 Aug 2, 2014
Insect Trust said

Most Afronazis BELIEVE, you mean, as part of their desperate attempt to alleviate their self-hatred.

KiloEcho replies

Barros, all accusations of Afrocentrism or Afronazism MUST be directed at Westerners (Europeans and Americans) who have described the Moors or ancient Berbers as people with black skin and have equated the word maurus/moor with black or dark brown color.

1) in dozen of traditions like the Moor's head or the Morcic;

2)-in countless of expressions like blacking up as a Moor or to play the Moor and the blackface Moor;

3) in ads (Sarotti Mohr, Mohren Brau, Meinl Moor);

4)-in artistic representations like the Moretti and the famous Wild Men and Moor tapestry;

5) in old scientific names for plants or animals like Macacus Maurus aka [email protected] Monkey or Moor pepper aka [email protected] pepper;

6) in travel narratives or historical documentation. Historian Strabo clearly indicated that the Mauretanii were black skinned. Encyclopedist and Saint, Isidore of Seville described the Moors has having bodies black as night;

7) in dishes, recipes or beverages like the French Moricaud for black coffee or Spanish moors and christians, black beans and white rice;

European ancestors chose to immortalize the skin color of Moors in recipes, dishes or beverages.

-Moors and Christian dish (Spanish): black beans and white rice
-Moricaud (French) fondant au chocolat et aux amandes
http://www.speedrecette.com/recettes-moricaud ...*
-mohr-im-hemd (Austrian) Mohr im Hemd is a baked chocolate nut dessert.
http://www.ediblesociety.com/2011/01/global-d ...
-morhernkoft (German) chocolate-covered cream cake
-Moricaud, black coffee http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/moricaud

8) in old European children songs like the Dutch song Moriaantje about a litte Moor as black as soot;

9) in entries in etymological dictionaries, the word moor was a synonym for [email protected] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php... Moor (n.)

10) In Wikipedia different languages versions (including the Spanish version) of the word moor and its derivatives in other languages, clearly indicating that moor comes from the Latin maurus and Greek mavro, meaning black.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohr
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morian
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maure
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro

11) in the modern use of the word moor or its derivative for black skinned Africans. The Greeks call Blacks mavros; the Polish murzyn.

12) in modern books like the one written in 1979 by Hans Debrunner, a Swiss missionary about the presence and prestige of Africans in Europe before 1918

http://books.google.cd/books/about/Presence_a...

13) in cultural practices or dances lke the Moor scrubbers Mohrenwäscher of Germany, the Morris Dance or the Moresca.

14) in legal documents
Sec. 4. The term ne.gro is confined to slave Africans,(the ancient Berbers) and their descendants

http://www.forgottenbooks.org/books/The_N-egr...

15) in the study of the language spoken by Mozarabes by European scholar Simonet, mauro meant [email protected] and corresponded to Castillian usage in which moro was applied to horse whose color was [email protected]

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White Berbers or White-a-Moors are a Eurocentric invention dating back to 18-19C Europe at the height of scientific racism and European imperialism/colonialism.

In early colonial America (1639), the word moor was still commonly used for African slaves.

http://www.harvardandslavery.com/wp-content/u...

HARVARD AND SLAVERY: Seeking a Forgotten History

She also admitted that students complained about having to eat the same food as “the Moor.”7

Drawn from the Spanish name for North Africans,“Moor” was a COMMON TERM for African slaves.
KiloEcho

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#1081 Aug 2, 2014
Barros and Co, you have failed to address the points I have raised so far.

All your accusations of Afrocentrism MUST be directed at Westerners (Europeans and Americans) who have described the Moors or ancient Berbers as people with black skin and have equated the word maurus/moor with black or dark brown color.

1) in dozen of traditions like the Moor's head or the Morcic;

2) in countless of expressions like blacking up as a Moor or to play the Moor and the blackface Moor;

3) in ads (Sarotti Mohr, Mohren Brau, Meinl Moor);

4) in artistic representations like the Moretti and the famous Wild Men and Moor tapestry;

5) in old scientific names for plants or animals like Macacus Maurus aka [email protected] Monkey or Moor pepper aka [email protected] pepper;

6) in travel narratives or historical documentation. Historian Strabo clearly indicated that the Mauretanii were black skinned. Encyclopedist and Saint, Isidore of Seville described the Moors has having bodies black as night;

7) in dishes, recipes or beverages like the French Moricaud for black coffee or Spanish moors and christians, black beans and white rice;

European ancestors chose to immortalize the skin color of Moors in recipes, dishes or beverages.

-Moors and Christian dish (Spanish): black beans and white rice
-Moricaud (French) fondant au chocolat et aux amandes
http://www.speedrecette.com/recettes-moricaud ...*
-mohr-im-hemd (Austrian) Mohr im Hemd is a baked chocolate nut dessert.
http://www.ediblesociety.com/2011/01/global-d ...
-morhernkoft (German) chocolate-covered cream cake
-Moricaud, black coffee http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/moricaud

8) in old European children songs like the Dutch song Moriaantje about a litte Moor as black as soot;

9) in entries in etymological dictionaries, the word moor was a synonym for [email protected] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php... Moor (n.)

10) In Wikipedia different languages versions (including the Spanish version) of the word moor and its derivatives in other languages, clearly indicating that moor comes from the Latin maurus and Greek mavro, meaning black.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohr
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morian
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maure
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro

11) in the modern use of the word moor or its derivative for black skinned Africans. The Greeks call Blacks mavros; the Polish murzyn.

12) in modern books like the one written in 1979 by Hans Debrunner, a Swiss missionary about the presence and prestige of Africans in Europe before 1918

http://books.google.cd/books/about/Presence_a...

13) in cultural practices or dances lke the Moor scrubbers Mohrenwäscher of Germany, the Morris Dance or the Moresca.

14) in legal documents
Sec. 4. The term ne.gro is confined to slave Africans,(the ancient Berbers) and their descendants

http://www.forgottenbooks.org/books/The_N-egr...

15) in the study of the language spoken by Mozarabes by European scholar Simonet, mauro meant [email protected] and corresponded to Castillian usage in which moro was applied to horse whose color was [email protected]
----------
White Berbers or White-a-Moors are Eurocentric invention dating back to 18-19C Europe at the height of scientific racism and European imperialism/colonialism.

In early colonial America (1639), the word moor was still commonly used for African slaves.

http://www.harvardandslavery.com/wp-content/u...

HARVARD AND SLAVERY: Seeking a Forgotten History

She also admitted that students complained about having to eat the same food as “the Moor.”7

Drawn from the Spanish name for North Africans,“Moor” was a COMMON TERM for African slaves.
Black Knight

Minneapolis, MN

#1082 Aug 2, 2014
The worlds first ever civilization was Sumer beginning at 4300 B.C.
Sumer is the ancient name for Southern Mesopotamia. The worlds first civilization arose in SOUTHERN MESOPOTAMIA not Europe.

Vinca probably doesn't even exist.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#1083 Aug 2, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
Barros and Co, you have failed to address the points I have raised so far.
All your accusations of Afrocentrism MUST be directed at Westerners (Europeans and Americans) who have described the Moors or ancient Berbers as people with black skin and have equated the word maurus/moor with black or dark brown color.
1) in dozen of traditions like the Moor's head or the Morcic;
2) in countless of expressions like blacking up as a Moor or to play the Moor and the blackface Moor;
3) in ads (Sarotti Mohr, Mohren Brau, Meinl Moor);
4) in artistic representations like the Moretti and the famous Wild Men and Moor tapestry;
5) in old scientific names for plants or animals like Macacus Maurus aka [email protected] Monkey or Moor pepper aka [email protected] pepper;
6) in travel narratives or historical documentation. Historian Strabo clearly indicated that the Mauretanii were black skinned. Encyclopedist and Saint, Isidore of Seville described the Moors has having bodies black as night;
7) in dishes, recipes or beverages like the French Moricaud for black coffee or Spanish moors and christians, black beans and white rice;
European ancestors chose to immortalize the skin color of Moors in recipes, dishes or beverages.
-Moors and Christian dish (Spanish): black beans and white rice
-Moricaud (French) fondant au chocolat et aux amandes
http://www.speedrecette.com/recettes-moricaud ...*
-mohr-im-hemd (Austrian) Mohr im Hemd is a baked chocolate nut dessert.
http://www.ediblesociety.com/2011/01/global-d ...
-morhernkoft (German) chocolate-covered cream cake
-Moricaud, black coffee http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/moricaud
8) in old European children songs like the Dutch song Moriaantje about a litte Moor as black as soot;
9) in entries in etymological dictionaries, the word moor was a synonym for [email protected] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php... Moor (n.)
10) In Wikipedia different languages versions (including the Spanish version) of the word moor and its derivatives in other languages, clearly indicating that moor comes from the Latin maurus and Greek mavro, meaning black.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohr
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morian
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maure
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro
11) in the modern use of the word moor or its derivative for black skinned Africans. The Greeks call Blacks mavros; the Polish murzyn.
12) in modern books like the one written in 1979 by Hans Debrunner, a Swiss missionary about the presence and prestige of Africans in Europe before 1918
http://books.google.cd/books/about/Presence_a...
13) in cultural practices or dances lke the Moor scrubbers Mohrenwäscher of Germany, the Morris Dance or the Moresca.
14) in legal documents
Sec. 4. The term ne.gro is confined to slave Africans,(the ancient Berbers) and their descendants
http://www.forgottenbooks.org/books/The_N-egr...
15) in the study of the language spoken by Mozarabes by European scholar Simonet, mauro meant [email protected] and corresponded to Castillian usage in which moro was applied to horse whose color was [email protected]
----------
White Berbers or White-a-Moors are Eurocentric invention dating back to 18-19C Europe at the height of scientific racism and European imperialism/colonialism.
In early colonial America (1639), the word moor was still commonly used for African slaves.
http://www.harvardandslavery.com/wp-content/u...
HARVARD AND SLAVERY: Seeking a Forgotten History
She also admitted that students complained about having to eat the same food as “the Moor.”7
Drawn from the Spanish name for North Africans,“Moor” was a COMMON TERM for African slaves.
Facts are, DNA whacks your b*tt! Ancient Moors were white ans still are!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#1084 Aug 2, 2014
DNA Whacks Afronazis B*TT! The ancient Moors were the EXACT same people carrying EXACTLY the same DNA!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_genetics
Ancient Moors:
www.youtube.com/watch...
Modern Moors:
www.youtube.com/watch...

Do modern Moors think their ancestors were black Africans? PROBABLY NOT!

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