The Moors, Egyptians and Phoenicians ...
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#685 Jul 20, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>UM....HERDOTUS was a Greek! The Greeks called black people ETHIOPIANS! Herodotus DID NOT CALL EGYPTIANS or LIBYANS ETHIOPIANS! He called Africa, Libya!
READ EXTREMELY SLOWLY:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aethiopia
Until you read "The History of Herodotus" George Rawlinson Translation (Page 115) please don't reply back to me about what Herodotus said.

You should order the book. Its seriously not that cheap.

DUMB ASS
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#686 Jul 20, 2014
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>But DNA on modern EGYPTIANS SHOWN them to be OVERWHELMINGLY NORTH AFRICAN and Middle Eastern!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt
Wikipedia is getting you no where!!!!!!

Modern Egyptians are not the true Egyptians. They are Arabs (Arabs invaded Egypt in 641 AD). They look no different from other Arabs in the Middle East.

They are MUSLIMS and they speak ARABIC. Note: Egypt is not called "Egypt" anymore. It is now called "Arabic Republic of Egypt", this is what it is called for now on.
KiloEcho

Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#687 Jul 20, 2014
African AE said

UM....HERDOTUS was a Greek! The Greeks called black people ETHIOPIANS!

Herodotus DID NOT CALL EGYPTIANS or LIBYANS ETHIOPIANS! He called Africa, Libya!
READ EXTREMELY SLOWLY:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aethiopia

KiloEcho replies

Read slowly! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You obviously suffer from a reading comprehension disability

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/be...

This link summarises what Herodotus and other European historians wrote about ancient Egyptians and their black skin

Here is another historian vastly quoted by WT. Yet when it comes to his eyewitness accounts. He is ignored. Could this be a hold out from Russelism?

" There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris.

My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too; but further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians..."
[Herodotus, Book 3]

To demonstrate that the Greek oracle is of Egyptian origin, Herodotus advances another argument: "Lastly, by calling the dove black, they [the Dodonaeans] indicated that the woman was Egyptian...."2 The doves in question symbolize two Egyptian women allegedly kidnapped from Thebes to found the oracles of Dodona and Libya.

To show that the inhabitants of Colchis were of Egyptian origin and had to be considered a part of Sesostris' army who had settled in that region, Herodotus says: "The Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair...."3
Finally, concerning the population of India, Herodotus distinguishes between the Padaeans and other Indians, describing them as follows: "They all also have the same tint of skin, which approaches that of the Ethiopians."4

Diodorus of Sicily writes:

The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris. They even allege that this country was originally under water, but that the Nile, dragging much mud as it flowed from Ethiopia, had finally filled it in and made it a part of the continent....

They add that from them, as from their authors and ancestors, the Egyptians get most of their laws. It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians, but it is useless to report that here.5

If the Egyptians and Ethiopians were not of the same race, Diodorus would have emphasized the impossibility of considering the former as a colony (i.e., a fraction) of the latter and the impossibility of viewing them as forebears of the Egyptians.

In his Geography, Strabo mentioned the importance of migrations in history and, believing that this particular migration had proceeded from Egypt to Ethiopia, remarks: "Egyptians settled Ethiopia and Colchis."6 Once again, it is a Greek, despite his chauvinism, who informs us that the Egyptians, Ethiopians, and Colchians belong to the same race, thereby confirming what Herodotus had said about the Colchians.7
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#688 Jul 20, 2014
Modern Egyptians look nothing like how Aristotle described the Ancient Egyptians.
Aristotle said Egyptians were very Black.

Neither do they look like how Herodotus described Ancient Egyptians.
Herodotus said: Egyptians have "BLACK SKIN and woolly hair".
According to George Rawlinson Translation.
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#689 Jul 20, 2014
A melanin test was conducted and performed on numerous Ancient Egyptian Mummies. The amount of melanin someone has in their skin can determine if they were Black or White. White people don't possess a large amount of melanin in their skin which is why their skin doesn't appear that dark. Black people on the other hand possess up to 7-8 times as much melanin than white people which is why they have Black skin.

When the melanin test was performed on Ancient Egyptian Mummies, the density of melanin in their skin was so thick, WAS SO HEAVY, they had to be nothing but Black.
trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#690 Jul 20, 2014
trollslayer wrote:
According to Herodotus, in Histories, Book II, the Colchians were Egyptians “because like the Egyptians they had black skin and wooly hair.” Aristotle says in Physiognomonica that “the Egyptians and Ethiopians are very black.”

who should we believe lol
----

" Human populations around the world today show regional differences in their appearance, but our skeletons and genes show that we all share a common African ancestry. "

-Natural History Museum
Cromwell Road
London SW7 5BD
UK

who should we believe...lol

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#691 Jul 20, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
African AE said
Yip the NEANDERTHALS f--ked Africans coming out of Africa making them light skinned with straight hair!!!!
Modern Europeans/ Middle Eastern people still LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THEIR ANCIENT ANCESTORS, the NEANDERTHAL / CROMAGNON and NOTHING like black Africans!
F A C T !!!!!!!!!!
ANCIENT AFRICANS LOOKED NOTHING LIKE MODERN AFRICANS:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeyr_skull
KiloEcho replies
You are drowning in denial as usual. The Neanderthals ALSO CAME FROM AFRICA
http://www.livescience.com/28036-neanderthals...
Neanderthals: Facts About Our Extinct Human Relatives
The original cave men
Neanderthals lived during the Ice Age. They often took shelter from the ice, snow, and otherwise unpleasant weather in Eurasia’s plentiful limestone caves. Many of their fossils have been found in caves, leading to the popular idea of them as “cave men.”
LIKE HUMANS, NEANDERTHALS ORIGINATED IN AFRICA BUT MIGRATED TO EURASIA LONG BEFORE HUMANS DID.
Neanderthals lived across Eurasia, as far north and west as the Britain, through part of the Middle East, to Uzbekistan. Popular estimates put the peak Neanderthal population around 70,000, though some scientists put the number drasticallylower, at around 3,500 females.
Neandertals did not come from Africa. They evolved in Eurasia. They descended from Homo heidelbergensis, whose exact origin is not known but probably in Africa, but that would then mean that there was no ancestry of Eurasian erectus in heidelbergensis, which seems unlikely.

Neandertalensis lived during interglacial periods as well as glaciations in Eurasia. Its habitat was not always “Ice Age”, and during glacial episodes they migrated south to fairer cimes (e.g., Israel).
Afrn AE

Durban, South Africa

#692 Jul 20, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are not Bedouins. Those are stone drawings of the Hebrews during the Assyrian captivity. This is the truth that you just cannot accept.
I never said forensic experts were idiots. I clearly said that they were liars.
EXACTLY, Assyrians CONQUERED LACHISH where these BEDOUINS LIVED> They portrayed the capture of the BEDOUINS OF LACHISH! The skeletons found at Lachish showed the people there, WERE BEDOUINS!
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#693 Jul 20, 2014
KiloEcho wrote:
African AE said
Yip the NEANDERTHALS f--ked Africans coming out of Africa making them light skinned with straight hair!!!!
Modern Europeans/ Middle Eastern people still LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THEIR ANCIENT ANCESTORS, the NEANDERTHAL / CROMAGNON and NOTHING like black Africans!
F A C T !!!!!!!!!!
ANCIENT AFRICANS LOOKED NOTHING LIKE MODERN AFRICANS:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmeyr_skull
KiloEcho replies
You are drowning in denial as usual. The Neanderthals ALSO CAME FROM AFRICA
http://www.livescience.com/28036-neanderthals...
Neanderthals: Facts About Our Extinct Human Relatives
The original cave men
Neanderthals lived during the Ice Age. They often took shelter from the ice, snow, and otherwise unpleasant weather in Eurasia’s plentiful limestone caves. Many of their fossils have been found in caves, leading to the popular idea of them as “cave men.”
LIKE HUMANS, NEANDERTHALS ORIGINATED IN AFRICA BUT MIGRATED TO EURASIA LONG BEFORE HUMANS DID.
Neanderthals lived across Eurasia, as far north and west as the Britain, through part of the Middle East, to Uzbekistan. Popular estimates put the peak Neanderthal population around 70,000, though some scientists put the number drasticallylower, at around 3,500 females.
Um....THE EUROPEAN NEANDERTHAL WAS A WHITE! They dont look much different to Europeans:
www.sciencephoto.com/media/590842/view
www.sciencephoto.com/media/590848/view
They have been FAR more successful than modern humans because they lived over 6 000 000 years on earth. Will modern humans live that long? Probably NOT!
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#694 Jul 20, 2014
Afrn AE wrote:
<quoted text>EXACTLY, Assyrians CONQUERED LACHISH where these BEDOUINS LIVED> They portrayed the capture of the BEDOUINS OF LACHISH! The skeletons found at Lachish showed the people there, WERE BEDOUINS!
All I can tell you is that those are Israelites from the Assyrian captivity. Even if they were Bedouins, there are plenty of more Assyrian stone tablets that show the Israelites slavery.
They are depicted as having tight twisted tufts of hair. Some even have dreadlocks.

THATS THE TRUTH!!!!
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#695 Jul 20, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Neandertals did not come from Africa. They evolved in Eurasia. They descended from Homo heidelbergensis, whose exact origin is not known but probably in Africa, but that would then mean that there was no ancestry of Eurasian erectus in heidelbergensis, which seems unlikely.
Neandertalensis lived during interglacial periods as well as glaciations in Eurasia. Its habitat was not always “Ice Age”, and during glacial episodes they migrated south to fairer cimes (e.g., Israel).
I'm not a huge fan of evolution and neither do I believe in it, but according to Evolution philosophy heidelbergensis did originate in Africa. Heidelbergensis spread throughout Europe from Africa and adapted to the cold and severe conditions to form Homo neanderthalensis, or Neanderthals.

I've done a long line of studying on Evolution and even possess some books on it.

According to Evolution philosophy Heidelbergensis originated in Africa and spread throughout Europe. When they migrated throughout Europe they adapted to colder and more severe weather conditions to form Neanderthals.

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#696 Jul 20, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a huge fan of evolution and neither do I believe in it, but according to Evolution philosophy heidelbergensis did originate in Africa. Heidelbergensis spread throughout Europe from Africa and adapted to the cold and severe conditions to form Homo neanderthalensis, or Neanderthals.
I've done a long line of studying on Evolution and even possess some books on it.
According to Evolution philosophy Heidelbergensis originated in Africa and spread throughout Europe. When they migrated throughout Europe they adapted to colder and more severe weather conditions to form Neanderthals.
Heidelbergensis may well have originated in Africa, which means it evolved from Homo ergaster. It does seem strange however that erectus in Eurasia was becoming over time more like heidelbergensis, so it seems strange that it would disappear to be replaced by a nearly identical form from Africa. Unfortunately we do not have the genomes of any of those 3 species.

Heidelbergensis' range ended up being southern and western Eurasia as well as Africa. Neandertalensis evolved not only in Europe.

If you don't believe in evolution, then you think that Homo erectus, ergaster, heidelbergensis, floresiensis, neandertalensis, denisova and sapiens are all the results of separate creations?

No way around it, we are a dryopithecine ape.
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#697 Jul 20, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
Heidelbergensis may well have originated in Africa, which means it evolved from Homo ergaster. It does seem strange however that erectus in Eurasia was becoming over time more like heidelbergensis, so it seems strange that it would disappear to be replaced by a nearly identical form from Africa. Unfortunately we do not have the genomes of any of those 3 species.
Heidelbergensis' range ended up being southern and western Eurasia as well as Africa. Neandertalensis evolved not only in Europe.
If you don't believe in evolution, then you think that Homo erectus, ergaster, heidelbergensis, floresiensis, neandertalensis, denisova and sapiens are all the results of separate creations?
No way around it, we are a dryopithecine ape.
Evolution is philosophy NOT exactly fact.
Evolution has many flaws and concepts that are to be questioned.
Definition of evolution- The study of how human life forms have evolved from one stage to another.
Lets just say Evolution is not fact

Insect Trust
Level 1

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#698 Jul 20, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution is philosophy NOT exactly fact.
Evolution has many flaws and concepts that are to be questioned.
Definition of evolution- The study of how human life forms have evolved from one stage to another.
Lets just say Evolution is not fact
But it is. It is a confirmed hypothesis, with a lot of evidence confirming it. Among other things, we have transitional forms. We have progressively larger brain size over time in erectus and heidelbergensis.

And there are many thousands of proofs from biology, embryology, genetics, palaeontology.

Evolution by natural selection explains observed changes in life forms over time.
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#699 Jul 20, 2014
Insect Trust wrote:
<quoted text>
But it is. It is a confirmed hypothesis, with a lot of evidence confirming it. Among other things, we have transitional forms. We have progressively larger brain size over time in erectus and heidelbergensis.
And there are many thousands of proofs from biology, embryology, genetics, palaeontology.
Evolution by natural selection explains observed changes in life forms over time.
One of the few contradictions of Evolution is how does climatic conditions change ones physical appearence?

Now according to Evolution philosophy Black people have Black skin from overexposure to sun light. Now the reason they say this is because Africa is exactly on the earths equator where the sun hits the most.

Now what's wrong with this concept is Africa is not the only contenant on the Earths equator. The Earths equator raps all around the earth. If you look at a "world map" showing all seven continents, you will see that South America is also on the Earths equator. The equator covers the Northern part of South America where the countries Venezuela and Culombia are situated.

Now does this mean that Venezuelians and Culombians are Black people?
After all, they are situated on the Earths equator where the sun hits most directly. For this same reason you say that Black people have Black skin. Because where Black people live the sun hits very hard.

Secondly, you say white people have white skin from living in the colder and wetter climates of Europe. But yet there has been Black people who have lived in Europe for years and have not received a lighter skin complexion. What about the Black people who live in the colder climates of the U.S.(The North to be exact) who have lived in the U.S for hundreds of years but still have skin exactly like their ancestors.
There's also Black people who have lived in Canada for hundreds of years and their skin looks darker than Black people who live in the U.S.
Black Knight

Saint Paul, MN

#700 Jul 20, 2014
Evolution teaches that Black people have tightly twisted hair from the overmuch sun exposure coiling it up. Then how about the Black people who live in colder, cloudier, and wetter places such as England, Canada, and the Northern U.S who don't receive straighter hair from less sun exposure? They have hair no straighter than when they came into those countries.

Also are the Venezuelians and Culombians supposed to have tightly twisted hair from them also living on the Earths Equator?
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#701 Jul 20, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
All I can tell you is that those are Israelites from the Assyrian captivity. Even if they were Bedouins, there are plenty of more Assyrian stone tablets that show the Israelites slavery.
They are depicted as having tight twisted tufts of hair. Some even have dreadlocks.
THATS THE TRUTH!!!!
BEDOUINS WERE NEVER ISRAELITES! Bedouins were nomads who originated in Saudi Arabia! They travelled all over Egypt and the Middle East right up until the 60s when borders were closed to them.
The Black Obelisk shows Israelites!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Obelisk_Isra...
African AE

Cape Town, South Africa

#702 Jul 20, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a huge fan of evolution and neither do I believe in it, but according to Evolution philosophy heidelbergensis did originate in Africa. Heidelbergensis spread throughout Europe from Africa and adapted to the cold and severe conditions to form Homo neanderthalensis, or Neanderthals.
I've done a long line of studying on Evolution and even possess some books on it.
According to Evolution philosophy Heidelbergensis originated in Africa and spread throughout Europe. When they migrated throughout Europe they adapted to colder and more severe weather conditions to form Neanderthals.
You are right. Heidelbergensis was the ancestor of the European neanderthal. He became white after living hundreds and thousands of years in freezing Europe or from interbreeding with white Homo-Erectus living in Europe!

I dont believe skin becomes lighter over time. OVER HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS, YES! Fact is, Canadian Indians have lived thousands of years in the snow of North America! Why havent they changed colour? Its usually a mutation that cause a change in skin colour or interbreeding with someone of another race! Africans coming out of Africa interbred with the white neanderthal which gave them lighter skin and straight hair!
KiloEcho

Kinshasa, Congo, The Democratic Republic of the

#703 Jul 21, 2014
Insect Trust said

Neandertals did not come from Africa. They evolved in Eurasia. They descended from Homo heidelbergensis, whose exact origin is not known but probably in Africa, but that would then mean that there was no ancestry of Eurasian erectus in heidelbergensis, which seems unlikely.
Neandertalensis lived during interglacial periods as well as glaciations in Eurasia. Its habitat was not always “Ice Age”, and during glacial episodes they migrated south to fairer cimes (e.g., Israel).

KiloEcho replies

You are just playing with words

Africa is where it all began. It is what matters.

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/origins/hom...

Neanderthals evolved from early Homo along a path either identical or very similar to modern man. From mtDNA analysis estimates, the two species shared a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago before diverging.

The last common ancestor between anatomically modern humans and Neanderthals appears to be Homo heidelbergensis [or possibly Homo rhodesiensis]. Approximately 600,000 years ago,

Homo heidelbergensis migrated out of AFRICA into Europe, to become the Neanderthal, whilst back in Africa, Homo heidelbergensis became Homo sapien.

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/afr...

A larger and longer out-of-Africa movement, during a warm period, saw Homo helmei spreading throughout Eurasia 250,000 years ago. Homo helmei may have given rise to Homo neanderthalensis in Europe and Asia and had several possible relatives in India and China from the same period.

The source human family containing our own ancestors remained in Africa, for the time being, physically separate from their Neanderthal cousins in Europe.

trollslayer

Hammond, IN

#704 Jul 21, 2014
Black Knight wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the few contradictions of Evolution is how does climatic conditions change ones physical appearence?
Now according to Evolution philosophy Black people have Black skin from overexposure to sun light. Now the reason they say this is because Africa is exactly on the earths equator where the sun hits the most.
Now what's wrong with this concept is Africa is not the only contenant on the Earths equator. The Earths equator raps all around the earth. If you look at a "world map" showing all seven continents, you will see that South America is also on the Earths equator. The equator covers the Northern part of South America where the countries Venezuela and Culombia are situated.
Now does this mean that Venezuelians and Culombians are Black people?
After all, they are situated on the Earths equator where the sun hits most directly. For this same reason you say that Black people have Black skin. Because where Black people live the sun hits very hard.
Secondly, you say white people have white skin from living in the colder and wetter climates of Europe. But yet there has been Black people who have lived in Europe for years and have not received a lighter skin complexion. What about the Black people who live in the colder climates of the U.S.(The North to be exact) who have lived in the U.S for hundreds of years but still have skin exactly like their ancestors.
There's also Black people who have lived in Canada for hundreds of years and their skin looks darker than Black people who live in the U.S.
Keep this in mind S.America was once connected to Africa. I believe at one point in time Africans migrated to S.America. In of skin color, we have to look at those who have the genetics to produce melanin. Non-melanin production is a mutation.

Remember, polar bears ( who live in cold climates) have black skin under their fur.

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