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“Making My MoM Proud!!!”

Since: Apr 08

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#1 Sep 1, 2008
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:
- We shouldn't have to open doors for women.
- There should be no maternity leave.
- Women would pick up the tab for diner.
- Women would ask out guys they are interested in.
- You shouldn't have to give up your seat in a bus/train.
- Women would want to be on the front line in a war.
- Women on construction sites would do more than just hold the stop/go sign.

But we all know this is not the case. I no problem doing chivalrous things for women. But I do have a problem with so-called feminist who like to use the label when it suits them, but hid it when it doesn't.

Since: Mar 08

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#2 Sep 1, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:
- We shouldn't have to open doors for women.
- There should be no maternity leave.
- Women would pick up the tab for diner.
- Women would ask out guys they are interested in.
- You shouldn't have to give up your seat in a bus/train.
- Women would want to be on the front line in a war.
- Women on construction sites would do more than just hold the stop/go sign.
But we all know this is not the case. I no problem doing chivalrous things for women. But I do have a problem with so-called feminist who like to use the label when it suits them, but hid it when it doesn't.
I agree 100% with everything you said except about maternity leave.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#3 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:
- We shouldn't have to open doors for women.

- You shouldn't have to give up your seat in a bus/train.
As for the doors and seats, most men
don't do that anyway, nor do most
women even bother about wanting it.

Most women only get this treatment
from older or traditional men or
their own husbands and boyfriends.

Some women don't even get it from them..

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#4 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:
- Women would pick up the tab for diner.
- Women would ask out guys they are interested in.
Many, many women pick up dinner tabs and
ditto for asking men out.

If it is a lie, then ask many of your
fellow Topix posters who claim to have
been asked out by women. It does
happen.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#5 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:

- There should be no maternity leave.
A young infant needs time and attention
and that is even true with the rest of
the mammals in the animal kingdom.

Maternity leave seems like a vacation
to all but WOMEN WHO HAVE ACTUALLY
HAD A CHILD.

It is of more benefit to the CHILD
than the mother.

Women who have just had babies are
not out at nightclubs dancing or the
like, DESPITE POPULAR BELIEF.

Mother and child need time to bond
and establish a routine.

The mother needs time to learn how
the baby eats, what it wants to eat,
how it wets and poops, fussiness,etc.

Sleeping and eating should be scheduled,
based on the individual baby's needs
ESPECIALLY IF THE MOTHER IS RETURNING
TO WORK.

Also, a BABY NEEDS LOVE. It needs to
be nurtured and held and such.

This has even been studied...how much
affection the infant receives is
correlated to the survival of that
infant.

This was almost insane of you to even
include with the rest...

It is the CHILD who needs the mother's
nuturing..this is a children's issue..
not a woman's like you sexists make
it...

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#6 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:

- Women would want to be on the front line in a war.
Many women also want to participate
in combat duty. Knowing many military
people, I can attest to this.

In fact, when I was younger and very
interested in a military career (I
still feel I missed a calling there)
I was disappointed to learn that I
would be unable to drive a tank or
do very much concerning combat duty.

Indeed it is the REST of society that
deems women unfit for combat.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#7 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:

- Women on construction sites would do more than just hold the stop/go sign.
Most women on those construction sites,
I mean those that aren't just secretaries
or someone's daughter, really do want
to participate in the activities that
the men are doing.

And as for other such jobs, women are
often barred or excluded and did not
CHOOSE to be sidelined or marginalized.

I belong to many women's organizations,
some social, some charitable, some
political, and my father is president of
a local union...and I can tell you that
WOMEN DO WANT TO DO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
IS DOING...!

Since: Mar 08

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#8 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
- We shouldn't have to open doors for women.
- There should be no maternity leave.
- Women would pick up the tab for diner.
- Women would ask out guys they are interested in.
- You shouldn't have to give up your seat in a bus/train.
- Women would want to be on the front line in a war.
- Women on construction sites would do more than just hold the stop/go sign.
I want all of that (never liked chivalry anyways) but we are not REALLY equal, you don't have a vagina so you don't understand the importance of maternity leave.
Captn wrote:
But we all know this is not the case. I no problem doing chivalrous things for women. But I do have a problem with so-called feminist who like to use the label when it suits them, but hid it when it doesn't.
Actually it's regulations and rules by MEN which dictate how much a woman can do in the military we are the ones making strides despite male chauvinism and ignorance.
http://www.cdi.org/issues/women/combat.html

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#9 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.

But we all know this is not the case.

I no problem doing chivalrous things for women.

But I do have a problem with so-called feminist who like to use the label when it suits them, but hid it when it doesn't.
As for that last bit, it is typical
lack of knowledge.

I cannot stress often enough that
feminism is a political and moral
bent and MOST WOMEN DO NOT
BELIEVE IN IT OR PRACTICE IT.

I ask you again to find a woman and
ask her what the tenets of feminism
are...

A woman who wants you to hold open
a door, but won't ask you to the
movies IS NOT A FEMINIST.

A REAL feminist doesn't even want
men to control when and where they
go out and wishes to ask men ALL
THE TIME, HERSELF, IF NEED BE.

You confuse the confusing rules of
dating and work and life with women
who are actively involved with
political feminism.

TAKE UP YOUR COMPLAINTS WITH THE
WOMEN WHO ARE CONFUSED AND GET OFF
THE BACKS OF THE FEMINISTS OUT THERE.

“UNDERSTAND the MESSAGE”

Since: Jul 07

AOL

#10 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:
- We shouldn't have to open doors for women.
- There should be no maternity leave.
- Women would pick up the tab for diner.
- Women would ask out guys they are interested in.
- You shouldn't have to give up your seat in a bus/train.
- Women would want to be on the front line in a war.
- Women on construction sites would do more than just hold the stop/go sign.
But we all know this is not the case. I no problem doing chivalrous things for women. But I do have a problem with so-called feminist who like to use the label when it suits them, but hid it when it doesn't.
Most of those seem like minor nuances than real problems. It's the more intangible things which causes ripples in society. For example, black feminist build their daughters up to be leaders but relegate their sons to second-class status as a by-product. With regards to all women, feminist included, one of the main problems that I find is their reluctance to accept personal responsibility. They are quick to employ hormonal changes as validation for foul behavior.

Keep treating women with respect. The ones who deserve your respect will appreciate you more.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#11 Sep 2, 2008
C Mitchell wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of those seem like minor nuances than real problems. It's the more intangible things which causes ripples in society. For example, black feminist build their daughters up to be leaders but relegate their sons to second-class status as a by-product. With regards to all women, feminist included, one of the main problems that I find is their reluctance to accept personal responsibility. They are quick to employ hormonal changes as validation for foul behavior.
Keep treating women with respect. The ones who deserve your respect will appreciate you more.
Hormones do play a role in behavior.
Read 28 Days for a layman's guide.

However, it is not a FEMINIST position
to use hormonal flucuations or indeed
lunar cycles to justify loss of
control. They are against it.

And you are very wrong about daughters
vs sons. Black sons are far more
revered and allowed to do as they
please, in my opinion.

Black men build careers based on their
dreams and very few Black women are
swayed away from workhorse or prosaic
career options and allowed to use
their creativity to have fantastic
careers. I am a living testament
to this.

Whether or not someone is reluctant to
accept personal responsibilty is
irrelevant....

If you are responsible for a situation
you are responsible for it...period.

And personal responsiblity does not
mean that you knew all the consequences
beforehand...it only means that you
are responsible for the outcome, no
matter what you knew in the beginning.

Women are not trying to shift blame
for their problems on others, in
general.

Wow.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#12 Sep 2, 2008
C Mitchell wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of those seem like minor nuances than real problems. It's the more intangible things which causes ripples in society. For example, black feminist build their daughters up to be leaders but relegate their sons to second-class status as a by-product. With regards to all women, feminist included, one of the main problems that I find is their reluctance to accept personal responsibility. They are quick to employ hormonal changes as validation for foul behavior.
Keep treating women with respect. The ones who deserve your respect will appreciate you more.
I should also have called you on "black feminists".

Real Black feminists call themselves
Womanists, usually.

The women you see in the street or indeed
at most family reunions, the average Black
woman, are not feminists...

Level 1

Since: Jun 07

West Chester, PA

#13 Sep 2, 2008
Captn wrote:
I know that Feminist claim that they want complete equality with men. But do they truly want this.
If they truly wanted complete equality then:
- We shouldn't have to open doors for women.
- There should be no maternity leave.
- Women would pick up the tab for diner.
- Women would ask out guys they are interested in.
- You shouldn't have to give up your seat in a bus/train.
- Women would want to be on the front line in a war.
- Women on construction sites would do more than just hold the stop/go sign.
But we all know this is not the case. I no problem doing chivalrous things for women. But I do have a problem with so-called feminist who like to use the label when it suits them, but hid it when it doesn't.
Opening doors is merely an act of chivarly(hope that's spelled correctly).

I agree with you on maternity leave;If I was the employer, I'd be pissed that I'd still have to pay her salary as well as the person who's replacing her while she's gone.

I also agree about women picking up the tab sometimes; just because a person has a penis deosn't mean they should pay for everything.

Women asking men out more has nothing to do with equality.

I wouldn't give up my seat on a bus or train for a woman; I'd give up my seat for an elderly or injured person.

As for women on the front line at war, are you crazy? We wouldn't free speech or free anything for that matter.

Level 1

Since: Jun 07

West Chester, PA

#14 Sep 2, 2008
soulflower wrote:
<quoted text>
A young infant needs time and attention
and that is even true with the rest of
the mammals in the animal kingdom.
Maternity leave seems like a vacation
to all but WOMEN WHO HAVE ACTUALLY
HAD A CHILD.
It is of more benefit to the CHILD
than the mother.
Women who have just had babies are
not out at nightclubs dancing or the
like, DESPITE POPULAR BELIEF.
Mother and child need time to bond
and establish a routine.
The mother needs time to learn how
the baby eats, what it wants to eat,
how it wets and poops, fussiness,etc.
Sleeping and eating should be scheduled,
based on the individual baby's needs
ESPECIALLY IF THE MOTHER IS RETURNING
TO WORK.
Also, a BABY NEEDS LOVE. It needs to
be nurtured and held and such.
This has even been studied...how much
affection the infant receives is
correlated to the survival of that
infant.
This was almost insane of you to even
include with the rest...
It is the CHILD who needs the mother's
nuturing..this is a children's issue..
not a woman's like you sexists make
it...
All that is not the employer's problem. You think It's right to expect an employer to pay the woman's salary as well as the the person who's replacing her while she's gone??

They employer, who could be a women, may have a family of her own, and now she has to pay two salaries for one position, that's not fair to the employer.

The woman whose pregnant should get her job back when she's ready to return, but she shouldn't be paid when she's not working.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#15 Sep 2, 2008
Again, maternity leave is more for
the benefit of the child than the
mother...

We would truly have a frightening
society if all children were taken
from their birth mothers soon after
birth and no bonding occurred.

In fact, many scientists believe that
"unbonded" children do not empathy.

“the king of his environment”

Level 3

Since: Oct 07

Washington, DC

#16 Sep 2, 2008
soulflower wrote:
Again, maternity leave is more for
the benefit of the child than the
mother...
We would truly have a frightening
society if all children were taken
from their birth mothers soon after
birth and no bonding occurred.
In fact, many scientists believe that
"unbonded" children do not empathy.
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#17 Sep 2, 2008
There a diffents between feminist and extrme feminist aka nazifeminist.

For example: Jane and John both were hired same time as cashers, Both work at let say 5pm to close time, do same amout of work etc.

Both desiver to be pay for same amount of money and earn the same amount. John should not make $10 per hours while Jane (doing same work etc) only get's paid $5 per hour.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#18 Sep 2, 2008
Tito78 wrote:
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All that is not the employer's problem. You think It's right to expect an employer to pay the woman's salary as well as the the person who's replacing her while she's gone??
They employer, who could be a women, may have a family of her own, and now she has to pay two salaries for one position, that's not fair to the employer.
The woman whose pregnant should get her job back when she's ready to return, but she shouldn't be paid when she's not working.
Very rote..matter of fact..your post
that is...

The employer is paying because he/she
accepts that said female is a valuable
and is compensating her for her past
and future employment with the company.

Similar in payment to "paid vacation"
time, but for something much more
valuable:

This is a public issue because AMERICAN
SOCIETY wishes to have its children
tended to by their birth mothers.

The employer is paying to see that the
NEW MEMBER OF SOCIETY is cared for
properly...at least at first.

Level 1

Since: Jun 07

West Chester, PA

#19 Sep 2, 2008
Rekik wrote:
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you don't have a vagina so you don't understand the importance of maternity leave.
It isn't fair for someone to presume that there are limitations on what someone's mind can comprehend simply because of their genitalia.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#20 Sep 2, 2008
Tito78 wrote:
<quoted text>
All that is not the employer's problem. You think It's right to expect an employer to pay the woman's salary as well as the the person who's replacing her while she's gone??
They employer, who could be a women, may have a family of her own, and now she has to pay two salaries for one position, that's not fair to the employer.
The woman whose pregnant should get her job back when she's ready to return, but she shouldn't be paid when she's not working.
In order to truly discuss this, we
would have to discuss "WHAT ROLE
DO PRIVATE ENTITIES HAVE OR
RESPONSIBILITY DO THEY HAVE TO
THE REST OF SOCIETY OUTSIDE THEIR
OWN INTERESTS"....

Well, society recognizes how important
private employers are to the whole
group.

SOCIETY allows EMPLOYERS to have
certain TAX BENEFITS, because
we know that these benefits
allow them to employ others,
which helps the society sustain
itself.(Or they should do this...
not all employers do...lol)

IN OTHER WORDS, as I have said,
ALL OF HUMANITY IS INTERCONNECTED.

Society needs the private sector.

Private sector needs society.

Society recognizes that babies
do best with their mommies.

Society made laws to see that
the mommies and babies stay
together during the first
weeks.

Society also gives the private
sector tax benefits and other
beneficial financial offsets
to help it.

By the way, WOMEN make up a
large percentage of SOCIETY,
I am sure you know this...

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