Black/African - Arab Relations

Black/African - Arab Relations

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Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#1 May 16, 2007
I wonder about Black-Arab relations. It seems that Arabs tolerate blacks but that is about it. I just don't see too much any Arab male or female openly dating or marrying a black person. However, if you look at East Africans (Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somalia) it is clearly evident that there is a heavy Black and Arab mixture. When I talk to Arabs, they say that there is no difference between Blacks and them, but then I turn around and ask them if they would marry a Black women and then almost unanimously they say "no".
So if dating Black people or intermarrying with Blacks is something that Arabs don't generally do, how does one account for the East African population? So that is when you go back in history and we learn about the Arab slave trade. I believe that Arabs took us captives as slave and used our women as prostitutes and etc. Granted I think that there were/are some genuine Arabs that truly loved their Black spouse and had children with them, but for the most part I think the Black Arabs were results of some foul play the Arabs. So in the contemporary setting, I would like to gain more insight on how Arabs really view Black people. It is not enough bring up key Black people in Islamic history like Bilal or the Prophet's wetnurse as evidence that an Arab likes Black people. Islam says that they are no differences among the races on the surface but does that really play out into their society. Maybe Arabs just respect Black men and not Black women. Why do they have such a negative view on us, when we are neighbors and at some points have a shared culture? I would love to know your guys insight on Black-Arab relations.
BBTPM

Japan

#2 May 16, 2007
Obviously, you are not familiar with Darfur.

Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#3 May 16, 2007
BBTPM wrote:
Obviously, you are not familiar with Darfur.
The Janjaweed aren't really Arabs. They are Black Sudanese that speak Arabic and identify themselves as Arab. I'd say a very small percentage of them have any trace of Arab blood in them. However in Northern Sudan, Arab-African mixture is visible. And those are ones that run the country. There is hostility between the Northern Muslim government and Christian/Animist South but I think that is highly religious motivated.
Rush Limbaugh

Littleton, CO

#4 May 16, 2007
Question: What would be the purpose of having an African or African American/Arab relations? I will honestly say....it would be DISASTEROUS to say the least. First of all, both groups do NOT have the same goals when it comes to "the community" and secondly,....we are NOT the same.

Ashley,
Denver, CO
Rush Limbaugh

Littleton, CO

#5 May 16, 2007
I forgot to mention.....I don't want to be associated with people who believe that raping women is "holy" and justifiable along with suicide bombings. The African American community have ENOUGH problems to last a lifetime so why pile others problems on top of ours?

Ashley,
Denver, CO

Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#6 May 16, 2007
Rush Limbaugh wrote:
Question: What would be the purpose of having an African or African American/Arab relations? I will honestly say....it would be DISASTEROUS to say the least. First of all, both groups do NOT have the same goals when it comes to "the community" and secondly,....we are NOT the same.
Ashley,
Denver, CO
Why would this be disastrous? As I said earlier we're next door neighbors. Arab and African society have a shared history and in some people's case a shared ancestry. Also Muslims win over a lot of Black people to Islam in the States using the whole "everyone is equal" bit. Don't you ever wonder why out of all the races in the world, you have yet to see Black and Arabs openly date or be married. Yet you see evidence of them mixing in Africa and Arabia.

Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#8 May 16, 2007
Rush Limbaugh wrote:
I forgot to mention.....I don't want to be associated with people who believe that raping women is "holy" and justifiable along with suicide bombings. The African American community have ENOUGH problems to last a lifetime so why pile others problems on top of ours?
Ashley,
Denver, CO
Where did you get this information about raping women as "holy" and justifiable practice in Arab society. Not all Arabs are suicide bombers, on the other hand, I do admit that Islam is not the most peaceful religion. The Arabs are impacting our community with the spread of Islam. Also there are Christian Arabs too, that are apart of the global Christian community. I think that Arab culture is beautiful and I do see its influence on other African cultures namely Muslim ones, but yet the Arabs have some covert hostility with them. And I want to know what is up that. Do Arabs really believe that Blacks are less than them?
Response to a fool

Stockton, CA

#9 May 17, 2007
Poor pitiful white boy having fantasies again.

Go tell these Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalis, Djoubotians that they are Arabs or resemble them and see what they say. Matter of fact say it to their faces instead fantasizing on the internet. I've seen both African Americans and East Africans make observations about how they look alike with each other, however I can't recall some East African claiming Saddam Hussein looks like them.

These race fantasy loons would be funny if they weren't so pathetic.

Pathological freaks obsessed with Africans because they're hard up for Ancient Egypt.

Instead of m*****b****g about some dreamland fantasy of Arabs running around Africa taking Africans at will, you ought to be obsessing about all of the slaves they went in and physically took from Europe.

Have a good evening loon.:)
Rush Limbaugh

Littleton, CO

#10 May 17, 2007
Aswad wrote:
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Why would this be disastrous? As I said earlier we're next door neighbors. Arab and African society have a shared history and in some people's case a shared ancestry. Also Muslims win over a lot of Black people to Islam in the States using the whole "everyone is equal" bit. Don't you ever wonder why out of all the races in the world, you have yet to see Black and Arabs openly date or be married. Yet you see evidence of them mixing in Africa and Arabia.
Well my next door neighbor across from me is also originally from LA, but doesn't mean we are the same just because we are "neighbors." We speak to one another and laugh, but no need to move in with her, am I correct? Anyway, evidence of them mixing in Africa and Saudi Arabia? You need to learn your history....there's a horrid reason why they are "mixing" in society in those places and one word....SLAVERY. Arabs, too, enslaved Africans or didn't you know this already? I'm not sure if you've answered my question directly, but WHY exactly should Arabs and Africanos form relations? My father is muslim and I don't agree with it because I don't agree with ANY religious churchgoing organization. I don't despise them, but I don't see the connection with Arabs and Africans as a whole. Maybe you can enlighten me on this further. This is the problem why Africans and African Americans have so many problems on TOP of problems is because we are too gullible. We think just because we live next to someone or they have a similiar skin tone as we do...that we are all somehow brothers and sisters living in perfect harmony. We are NOT brothers and sisters. Islam is winning over Africans and AAs because, like I said, AAs are the most gullible people walking the face of the planet. They'll (we'll) believe ANY other minority who claims to be a friend of our community. That is why AAs and Africans will ALWAYS be at the bottom is because of their (our) ignorance. To each his own.

Ashley,
Denver, CO
Rush Limbaugh

Littleton, CO

#11 May 17, 2007
Aswad wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you get this information about raping women as "holy" and justifiable practice in Arab society. Not all Arabs are suicide bombers, on the other hand, I do admit that Islam is not the most peaceful religion. The Arabs are impacting our community with the spread of Islam. Also there are Christian Arabs too, that are apart of the global Christian community. I think that Arab culture is beautiful and I do see its influence on other African cultures namely Muslim ones, but yet the Arabs have some covert hostility with them. And I want to know what is up that. Do Arabs really believe that Blacks are less than them?
If you think that "WHITES" hate you, then you BETTER start opening your ears and eyes to what Arabs think of you. There are MORE "whites" who will tolerate AAs compared to Arabs. They are not stupid people and not afraid of anything so I challenge you to take a survey either online or better yet...on the streets and ASK them face to face what do they think of people of African descent. I'm not saying that all of them are hateful, but it is in their nature and what they've been taught hundreds of years ago. Don't be so gullible please Aswad. I don't care what religion an Arab belongs to whether it's Islam or christianity, that is their choice and theirs alone. This "union" WILL be disasterous and I can bet my LIFE on it. I'm not saying to not befriend one of them, but be AWARE and don't believe everything they tell you...or what anyone tells you for that matter. I've dated an Afro-Arab AND a middle easterner before and believe me....there are things that christians believe are evil and sinful that they (Arab muslims) believe are holy in the name of Allah.

Ashley,
Denver, CO

Since: May 07

Somalia

#12 May 18, 2007
85% of the somali people are ethnic Somalis, pure black with no mixtures, there rest are mixed with Arabs (yemen,oman) Portuguese and other descent

so there is no heavy mixture in somalia

djiboutians are pure black!

Since: May 07

Somalia

#13 May 18, 2007
and oyeah am a muslim but i dont like arabs
see how they treat black people in saudi arabie and yemen.

they call us 'Abd' meaning slave and beat the shit out of us
Nat Turner Reincarnated

Pineville, LA

#14 May 18, 2007
From my experience wit Arabs they generally don't like blacks and only claim a bond(Islam) wit us when it's convenient(when stereotyped or harassed by white people). Tha ones I've met defintely felt superior to blacks and I've heard alotta stuff about how they regulary sh!t on Africans in tha Mid_East and N. Africa.
Mack

Washington, DC

#15 May 18, 2007
Afromali wrote:
and oyeah am a muslim but i dont like arabs
see how they treat black people in saudi arabie and yemen.
they call us 'Abd' meaning slave and beat the shit out of us
Yo Afromali, what percentage of Saudi Arabia's population is black? I wasn't so sure.
Mack

Washington, DC

#16 May 18, 2007
Afromali wrote:
and oyeah am a muslim but i dont like arabs
see how they treat black people in saudi arabie and yemen.
they call us 'Abd' meaning slave and beat the shit out of us
Also, do the Kuwaiti's Iraqi's and Iranians treat blacks like shit over there as well?
A Wall

Philadelphia, PA

#17 May 18, 2007
Aswad wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would this be disastrous? As I said earlier we're next door neighbors. Arab and African society have a shared history and in some people's case a shared ancestry. Also Muslims win over a lot of Black people to Islam in the States using the whole "everyone is equal" bit. Don't you ever wonder why out of all the races in the world, you have yet to see Black and Arabs openly date or be married. Yet you see evidence of them mixing in Africa and Arabia.
yea I have never heard of arabs and blacks marry exept 4 the 1 time on here some girl said she knew of two who were happily married in the states. But yes they r mixing look at thier former beloved president of Egypt Anwar Sadat he was mixed.

Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#18 May 21, 2007
Response to a fool wrote:
Poor pitiful white boy having fantasies again.
Go tell these Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalis, Djoubotians that they are Arabs or resemble them and see what they say. Matter of fact say it to their faces instead fantasizing on the internet. I've seen both African Americans and East Africans make observations about how they look alike with each other, however I can't recall some East African claiming Saddam Hussein looks like them.
These race fantasy loons would be funny if they weren't so pathetic.
Pathological freaks obsessed with Africans because they're hard up for Ancient Egypt.
Instead of m*****b****g about some dreamland fantasy of Arabs running around Africa taking Africans at will, you ought to be obsessing about all of the slaves they went in and physically took from Europe.
Have a good evening loon.:)
Your response is entirely ignorant and isn't really worthy to be in this thread. Just to let you know that I am a full blooded Black American. So you should stop this speak of yours. No matter what East and North-eastern Africans would say, it is very evident to the human eye that most of them (not all of them) have some Arabic (and to the extreme lesser extent European) mixture in them. And who in their right mind would say that they look like Saddam Hussein? I wouldn't say I look like some notorious corrupt Black leader in Africa, would I? No!

Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#19 May 21, 2007
Rush Limbaugh wrote:
<quoted text>
Well my next door neighbor across from me is also originally from LA, but doesn't mean we are the same just because we are "neighbors." We speak to one another and laugh, but no need to move in with her, am I correct? Anyway, evidence of them mixing in Africa and Saudi Arabia? You need to learn your history....there's a horrid reason why they are "mixing" in society in those places and one word....SLAVERY. Arabs, too, enslaved Africans or didn't you know this already? I'm not sure if you've answered my question directly, but WHY exactly should Arabs and Africanos form relations? My father is muslim and I don't agree with it because I don't agree with ANY religious churchgoing organization. I don't despise them, but I don't see the connection with Arabs and Africans as a whole. Maybe you can enlighten me on this further. This is the problem why Africans and African Americans have so many problems on TOP of problems is because we are too gullible. We think just because we live next to someone or they have a similiar skin tone as we do...that we are all somehow brothers and sisters living in perfect harmony. We are NOT brothers and sisters. Islam is winning over Africans and AAs because, like I said, AAs are the most gullible people walking the face of the planet. They'll (we'll) believe ANY other minority who claims to be a friend of our community. That is why AAs and Africans will ALWAYS be at the bottom is because of their (our) ignorance. To each his own.
Ashley,
Denver, CO
The Arabs have been able to bring some type of unity among the African continent, that Black Africans haven't been able to do. Also due to blending of African and Arab culture in East Africa and Arabia (this is referring to the entire Arabian peninsula, just not what is called Saudi Arabia) I think that instead of having a strained relationship or a covert one or even a relationship to where one race held in a higher esteem over the other. Dialogue and cultural exchange can enhance North African and East African societies as well Arabian society to be culturally tolerant and respectful. Also this may cause veneration for the "other" culture. And in turn maybe these actions can spread throughout the rest of the continent. This is a hypothesis but just brushing it past the community.

Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#20 May 21, 2007
Rush Limbaugh wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think that "WHITES" hate you, then you BETTER start opening your ears and eyes to what Arabs think of you. There are MORE "whites" who will tolerate AAs compared to Arabs. They are not stupid people and not afraid of anything so I challenge you to take a survey either online or better yet...on the streets and ASK them face to face what do they think of people of African descent. I'm not saying that all of them are hateful, but it is in their nature and what they've been taught hundreds of years ago. Don't be so gullible please Aswad. I don't care what religion an Arab belongs to whether it's Islam or christianity, that is their choice and theirs alone. This "union" WILL be disasterous and I can bet my LIFE on it. I'm not saying to not befriend one of them, but be AWARE and don't believe everything they tell you...or what anyone tells you for that matter. I've dated an Afro-Arab AND a middle easterner before and believe me....there are things that christians believe are evil and sinful that they (Arab muslims) believe are holy in the name of Allah.
Ashley,
Denver, CO
Can you expound on your experience dating the Afro-Arab and Middle Easterner? I can assume that you are a Black American female.. How did they view Black females. What were their views on Black people as a whole. And what these evil things that these Arab Muslims believe according to you? Are you a Muslim? What prompted you to date these men if trying to relate to these people should be avoided.

Since: May 07

Anaheim, CA

#21 May 21, 2007
Afromali wrote:
and oyeah am a muslim but i dont like arabs
see how they treat black people in saudi arabie and yemen.
they call us 'Abd' meaning slave and beat the shit out of us
Yeah, a Black American female columnist did a piece on Afro-Iraqis that live in the south of Iraq. And she said reported on striking similarities on their society and our society here in America. The Arabs would call the Afro-Iraqis "Abd" as an insult. Just like the "N" word here. And Afro-Iraqis are dumb enough to call themselves "Abd" when referring to another Afro-Iraqi, just like Blacks here.

I have heard from Somalis here in San Diego that have lived in Saudi Arabia that they are racially discriminated against because them calling them "Abd". That is why cultural exchange and understanding is important for Arabs.

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