Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash...

Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes

There are 17554 comments on the NBC Chicago story from Jan 7, 2013, titled Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes. In it, NBC Chicago reports that:

Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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#16666 Feb 11, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
Yet one, same sex, is a recent invention, while the other, opposite sex, has be the sole understanding of marriage since before the birth of the Republic.
Same sex marriage isn't a recent "invention", lying *sswipe Peter.
Pietro Armando wrote:
The latter also possess the long standing cultural, social, sexual, and/or religious understanding of marriage as a union of one man and one woman as husband and wife.
Religious understanding is irrelevant as the topic is civil marriage. And since discrimination against and punishment of people engaging in same sex behavior is also a long standing cultural, social and legal practice until recently, the lack of historicity of same sex marriage has no relevance. Except to bigots like you.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Simply because the state removed gender references from the marriage license, doesn't mean the two marriages are equivalent.
Legally they are equivalent.
Pietro Armando wrote:
The opposite sex couple are pronounced "husband and wife", and all the associate marital presumptions, expectations, and understandings that go with it.
There are no legally based marital "presumptions, expectations and understandings" of opposite sex marriage that don't also apply to same sex marriage. And social or cultural based expectations of marriage are by no means universal either.
Pietro Armando wrote:
A same sex marriage is simply a personal intimate relationship with a benefits package.
What a coincidence; that's all opposite sex civil marriage is too.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Why you insist on claiming there's no difference is puzzling.
Only to stupid people or bigots who can't or won't understand the law or the constitution.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Is a male lesbian simply a lesbian who happens to be a man?
You've been told several times that phrase was created by a researcher to describe men who are envious of female gender roles for which they believe themselves better suited than traditional male behavioral expectations. The term has nothing to do with either biological sex or sexual orientation. Why do you persist in lying about it?
Pietro Armando wrote:
A veggie burger simply a burger made out of vegetables?
Yes, a burger is a general term referring to a type of sandwich whereas other qualifiers such as "veggie", "ham", "cheese", "bacon", etc. denote the type of protein and/or ingredients included in the sandwich. Just like marriage is a general term referring to the establishment of kinship between previously unrelated parties while qualifiers like "opposite sex", "same sex", "interracial", plural, etc. denote characteristics of or the number of participants.
Pietro Armando wrote:
You're kidding....you have to be. So because the state issues a marriage license to same sex couples, 2/3 of which are female, then suddenly the collective cultural, social, sexual, and/or religious understanding of marriage as a union of husband and wife, vanishes? Does the average person look upon two women, or two men, and think, "Gee...why they're just like a married husband and wife, but without the husband or the wife"?
The average person generally tries to correlate unfamiliar things with their personal experiences in order to understand or relate to it. People who are intolerant of others different from themselves likely focus negatively on the differences from their reference framework while those who are more tolerant likely focus on the similarities to their reference framework. You seemingly fall into the former group.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Embrace your difference....you don't have to prove you're not two women....society already knows that.
Gays already embrace their differences. What they're trying to achieve is to stop being punished and discriminated against by the majority because of their differences from the majority.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#16667 Feb 11, 2014
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>I call bullshat. Was it her father?
No. It was her neighbor, a sexually repressed monogamist much like yourself. He used her parents polygamy to his advantage told her if she told anyone he'd get her parents put in prison.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#16668 Feb 11, 2014
Poof wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, wrong again
I vote that you are a chooch. So that's 2 votes that you are a chooch.

I suppose you'll vote that you aren't a chooch so it's 2 to 1 that you are a chooch! Landslide vote!

A full 2/3 of the electorate considers you a chooch. You're a chooch.

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Planet Earth

#16669 Feb 11, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Let's see....The Federal judge in the Nevada case, and Hawaii, plus numerous state courts.
Both the Hawaii and Nevada federal district court rulings are on appeal so aren't the final word. The Hawaii case is effectively moot since the state legislature voted to give legal recognition to same sex marriages. The fate of the appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has not been decided yet; possible outcomes are dismissal of the case as moot or vacating the district court decision given subsequent events.

The Nevada ruling is also on appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The Appeals court had placed the case on hold pending the outcomes of the SCOTUS rulings in California's Prop 8 case and the Windsor DOMA case. Just a few weeks ago, the Ninth Circuit established sexual orientation as a quasi-susect class requiring heightened scrutiny based on an unrelated case involving jury selection. That is now the standard of judicial review for equal protection claims ion the Ninth Circuit involving sexual orientation. As a result both the county clerk and the State of Nevada have withdrawn as defendants of Nevada's constitutional amendment prohibiting legal recognition of same sex marriages. They did so because their legal arguments were based on the assumption the standard of judicial review would be rational basis and they tailored their arguments in favor of the ban accordingly. Their withdrawal as defendants implicitly acknowledges they have no valid arguments that provide an important state interest to justify the ban. Their appeal would still have faced an uphill battle even on rational basis review given the Windsor ruling so their wise to throw in the towel and save the taxpayers some money.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#16670 Feb 11, 2014
If one person tells you that you are a chooch, you can shine it on.
If two people tell you that you are a chooch, you oughta start listening.
If a third person tells you....

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#16672 Feb 12, 2014
The mayor of Sochi says no gays live here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25464...

Gay rights means to live like a human, not rewriting marriage law for everyone.

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#16673 Feb 12, 2014
Church leaders are right; there has been a backlash. Just, not in the USA.
Poof

Madison, WI

#16674 Feb 12, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Church leaders are right; there has been a backlash. Just, not in the USA.
HUH, THERE are now 17 states that allow same sex marriage, with 2 more to come in the next few weeks. That is some kind of backlash. I wonder of the title should have read backfire?
cancer suxs

Faribault, MN

#16675 Feb 12, 2014
How come same sex marriage is only SIN religious people want banned.

I mean why doesn't churches fight to ban fat people and to ban rich people. And ban working on sunday..

Why is it only one sin does religious people attack through the law.??
cancer suxs

Faribault, MN

#16676 Feb 12, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Church leaders are right; there has been a backlash. Just, not in the USA.
because of our CONSTITUTION. Soon all the evil vile same sex marriage bans will be done away with because of FREEDOM AND EQUAL RIGHTS....

You could move to Russia or iran if you don't like it Nazi pig.
Poof

Madison, WI

#16677 Feb 12, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Because legalizing polygamy will bring it out of the shadows where crime flourishes. There was a case of an 11 year old girl raped by a neighbor too ashamed to tell her parents, she would have called the cops but couldn't for fear of her parents going to prison for polygamy.
I searched for the story on line, found nothing. Link it
Poof

Madison, WI

#16678 Feb 12, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
No. It was her neighbor, a sexually repressed monogamist much like yourself. He used her parents polygamy to his advantage told her if she told anyone he'd get her parents put in prison.
link it

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Littleton, NH

#16679 Feb 12, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
The mayor of Sochi says no gays live here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25464...
Gay rights means to live like a human, not rewriting marriage law for everyone.
Strange bedfellows you choose there, Brian. Are you proud of that?

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#16680 Feb 12, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
The mayor of Sochi says no gays live here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25464...
It looks like you've found your soul-idiot.
Brian, simple probability proves that he is incorrect. Given the attitude of many Russians towards homosexuals, they may not be living out, but there are homosexuals in Sochi. Particularly right now. I know Johnny Weir is there.
Brian_G wrote:
Gay rights means to live like a human, not rewriting marriage law for everyone.
Brian, unconstitutional laws should be rewritten, and if marriage laws were rewritten to include same sex couples, it would have no impact upon you, your marriage, or your rights.

Those arguing for fellow citizens to be held as second class citizens with less than equal protection of the laws shouldn't pretend to be altruistic, then they are really being bigoted and hateful.
Brian_G wrote:
Church leaders are right; there has been a backlash. Just, not in the USA.
Sorry, Brian. Religious freedom is still in tact, and those who adhere to a religion that condemns homosexuality are still free not to marry someone of the same sex.

Stop being a troll.

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#16682 Feb 12, 2014
Lides is Litdes wrote:
Is it necessary for you to be a jerk? If ya don't like his posts, simply ignore them yourself!!!

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#16683 Feb 12, 2014
cancer suxs wrote:
How come same sex marriage is only SIN religious people want banned.
No state bans same sex marriage, in Illinois cousins if cousins marry their intercourse is a class 3 felony by §720 ILCS 5/11-11. There is no such penalty for same sex marriage. Same sex wedding ceremonies are legal in every state.

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cancer suxs wrote:
I mean why doesn't churches fight to ban fat people and to ban rich people. And ban working on sunday..
We've got Michelle Obama to fight obesity and the left working to ban rich people now so the church can move to more important matters.

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cancer suxs wrote:
Why is it only one sin does religious people attack through the law.??
Most same sex marriage supporters understand little of religion or law; thou shalt not murder is achieved by law. Better luck next time.
cancer suxs

Faribault, MN

#16684 Feb 12, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No state bans same sex marriage, in Illinois cousins if cousins marry their intercourse is a class 3 felony by §720 ILCS 5/11-11. There is no such penalty for same sex marriage. Same sex wedding ceremonies are legal in every state.
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<quoted text>We've got Michelle Obama to fight obesity and the left working to ban rich people now so the church can move to more important matters.
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<quoted text>Most same sex marriage supporters understand little of religion or law; thou shalt not murder is achieved by law. Better luck next time.
SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SIDE STEP SIDE STEP..

yep same BS. Thing is you Nazi KKK far righters are losing..So rant against progress all you want hitler...WONT CHANGE THAT SOON ALL 50 STATES SSM WILL BE LEGAL..And you old bald grey hairs will be dead.

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#16685 Feb 12, 2014
cancer suxs wrote:
because of our CONSTITUTION.
There is no gender equality right in the US Constitution.

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cancer suxs wrote:
Soon all the evil vile same sex marriage bans will be done away with because of FREEDOM AND EQUAL RIGHTS....
The issue isn't freedom or equal rights since same sex couples may live as married in every state. Bigamy and incest marriage are felonies in many states but no state criminalizes same sex marriage.

The issue is rewriting marriage law for everyone based on sex segregation instead of the perfect integration, diversity and affirmative action in one man and one woman marriage.

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cancer suxs wrote:
You could move to Russia or iran if you don't like it Nazi pig.
See how the left treats the LGBT community? On the one hand, they don't condemn those that assault and murder gays then on the other they recommend those countries grow. The left aren't your friends and they don't have your best interest in mind.

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Defiance, Ohio

#16686 Feb 12, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
No state bans same sex marriage, in Illinois cousins if cousins marry their intercourse is a class 3 felony by §720 ILCS 5/11-11. There is no such penalty for same sex marriage. Same sex wedding ceremonies are legal in every state.
Brian, why do you lie about things that are so easily disproven?
http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/state-cons...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/...
Brian_G wrote:
We've got Michelle Obama to fight obesity and the left working to ban rich people now so the church can move to more important matters.
What does this have to do with the topic?
Brian_G wrote:
Most same sex marriage supporters understand little of religion or law; thou shalt not murder is achieved by law. Better luck next time.
Brian, you are an idiot. The US Constitution guarantees equal protection of the law for all persons within a state's jurisdiction.

Laws against murder do not respect the establishment of any religion.

You are an imbecile.

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#16687 Feb 12, 2014
cancer suxs wrote:
SKIP SKIP SKIP SKIP SIDE STEP SIDE STEP.. yep same BS. Thing is you Nazi KKK far righters are losing..So rant against progress all you want hitler...WONT CHANGE THAT SOON ALL 50 STATES SSM WILL BE LEGAL..And you old bald grey hairs will be dead.
^^^Another perfect example of inanity and vile defamation.

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