Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash...

Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes

There are 17553 comments on the NBC Chicago story from Jan 7, 2013, titled Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes. In it, NBC Chicago reports that:

Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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#11674 Oct 21, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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What do you have against polygamists?
Do you want to control everybody's life?
So are you a supporter of legal polygamy?

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#11676 Oct 21, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
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Looks like someone's battling a phallic obsession.....
And a very happy KKK morning to you to! And who knows maybe some day you might even post something intelligent,logical and critically thought out and add something positive to the debate? But then again I highly doubt that you're capable of doing so from your past off topic,unintelligent and idiotic blabber you do post! But do carry on and continue making yourself look like the village idiot that you seem to be,that is quite self evident!

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#11677 Oct 21, 2013
Same sex marriage is antidemocratic.

Have you ever thought about the Christians who have been sued for refusing to attend same sex wedding rituals? What other religion, besides leftism, compels religious attendance?

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#11678 Oct 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Note how it grows by court order instead of legislation; same sex marriage started by court order, without the consent of the governed.
Goodness you are stupid. It grows because of legislation you stupid moron. The courts merely point out the validity of the legislation.
Brian_G wrote:
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That's why they sue Christian's who don't consent to attend their religious same sex marriage celebrations. They don't want tolerance, they want celebration.
Non of your law breaking Christian's were asked to celebrate anything. They were asked to provide the services of their public businesses. Businesses allowed to be open because they applied for business licenses that mandated they obey established law. You're Christians pretended they were above the law, and now they are paying for their discriminatory folly.
Brian_G wrote:
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Same sex marriage is antidemocratic elitism.
Brian_G is still the village idiot.

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#11679 Oct 21, 2013
lides wrote:
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Of course, the flaw in your logic is that you cannot provide any state interest served by limiting marriage to being between a husband and wife that would render such a restriction constitutional, and render your argument valid.
Of course, the flaw in your logic is that you cannot provide any state interest served by designating other comsenting adult relationships, "marriage", beyond the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife that would render such an expansion constitutionally necessary, considering all men, and all women have the same right to marry.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#11680 Oct 21, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
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1. On the contrary, it's you who conflate equal application of the law with the constitutional guarantee of equal protection of the law.
2. Anti-miscegenation laws applied equally to blacks and whites but that didn't save them from being ruled unconstitutional.
3. You haven't really demonstrated that you have a brain.
1. Maybe you can't understand what you read, just like lides.
States meet constitutional requirements by making their laws apply equally to everyone in their jurisdiction.
2. As long as they were one man and one woman.
3. It's your lack of understanding.

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#11681 Oct 21, 2013
Wise_Crack_er wrote:
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Looks like someone's battling a phallic obsession.....
Hardly, considering the poster's Topix ID contains the Italian spelling of the name Peter and "small" is my term of endearment based on the poster's demonstrated intellectual capabilities. Unlike you, I don't spend time fantasizing about the sexual organs of anonymous people on the internet.

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#11682 Oct 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is antidemocratic.
On the contrary, the historic discrimination that has prohibited legal recognition of same sex marriages is both anti-democratic and unconstitutional.
Brian_G wrote:
Have you ever thought about the Christians who have been sued for refusing to attend same sex wedding rituals?
No one has ever been sued for refusing an invitation to attend a wedding ceremony, Brian. There are no laws governing attendance to social events. On the other hand, people have been sued in their capacity as business owners for refusing to provide goods and services to a protected class of people in violation of anti-discrimination laws.
Brian_G wrote:
What other religion, besides leftism, compels religious attendance?
Both Judaism and Catholicism require religious service attendance in accordance with God's commandments. There are likely others as well.

And there is no religion called "leftism", Brian. Why do you lie?

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#11683 Oct 21, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. Maybe you can't understand what you read, just like lides.
States meet constitutional requirements by making their laws apply equally to everyone in their jurisdiction.
Anti-miscegenation laws applied equally to everyone on their jurisdiction yet were ruled unconstitutional for violating the equal protection clause.
Wondering wrote:
2. As long as they were one man and one woman.
It was only men and women marrying in that era. Yet anti-miscegenation laws were still ruled unconstitutional.
Wondering wrote:
3. It's your lack of understanding.
On the contrary, you're unable to understand why anti-miscegenation laws were ruled unconstitutional when they were applied equally to men and women and blacks and whites. Which proves the point you totally clueless about the difference between equal application of the law and constitutional equal protection of the law. Go back to school and learn something before you embarrass yourself further.
heartandmind

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#11684 Oct 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I believe in religious freedom, those Christian vendors have the right not to participate in religious rituals they view as profane.
Same sex marriage is bad because it's taboo.
more mper stickers instead of actually replying to the post where i explained to you the function of vendors and the laws that pertain to them.

figures that you have no valid response.

just ignorant little bumper sticker commentaries.

and please, do look up the dictionary defintion of ignorant before you attempt to reply to this post.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#11685 Oct 21, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Talk about out of context. How about this one?
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
Now why did you leave out this important passage? Clearly the Leviticus writer was talking about Canaanite practices and how it didn't go well for them.
Better luck next time.
Try again.
that's right, canaanite practices that included infanticide,[think of dr.gosnell and perhaps all of selective abortion] adultery, fornication, incest, and yes, homosexuality and bestiality. God and the context of the verse you tried to use was and is against all these things. it had nothing to do with over populating the earth as you tried to claim.

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#11686 Oct 21, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
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And there is no religion called "leftism", Brian. Why do you lie?
Brian_G lies because truth doesn't support his position. It never has and never will.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#11687 Oct 21, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Don't just parrot right wing prattle. Name one special right people are asking for.
rose, could you be more specific in your question. what you have responded to includes a conversation about gender identity issues.
this is the comment that you seem to be trying to make a point about:
"now we must "recognize" that a person who thinks they are a female in a male body somehow has special rights that trump everyone else's rights."
if you are asking about what special rights they are asking for i will be glad to answer. but really it is obvious if you simply follow the news.
do you want to go down this line of discussion?

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#11688 Oct 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>that's right, canaanite practices that included infanticide,[think of dr.gosnell and perhaps all of selective abortion] adultery, fornication, incest, and yes, homosexuality and bestiality. God and the context of the verse you tried to use was and is against all these things. it had nothing to do with over populating the earth as you tried to claim.
Homosexuality isn't a "practice" barry, it's a characteristic. One can't "practice" homosexuality.

Gee, for someone that discusses what an expert he is on the subject, you sure do say a lot of stupid things about it.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#11689 Oct 21, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Um, so what? Who cares if a boy claims he is a lesbian and has a girl friend?
apparently xbreath and jonah do.

barry wrote:
<quoted text>well, according to recent california law, men can be lesbians.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-02/cali ...
"California would have the first state law permitting elementary and high school students to use bathrooms and join sports teams based on their gender identity, rather than their biological sex, under a bill going before Governor Jerry Brown."
"Federal law also guarantees transgendered students access to programs and facilities that fit their gender identity, Ilona Turner, legal director for the Transgender Law Center, said in an e-mailed response to questions."

and xbreath replied;
"You can't be THAT stupid."

and jonah's comment was;
"You certainly do love showing off how uneducated you are."

but really now, california law allows a man to say that he is a lesbian and we must give him special rights at the expense of everyone else's rights.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#11691 Oct 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>that's right, canaanite practices that included infanticide,[think of dr.gosnell and perhaps all of selective abortion] adultery, fornication, incest, and yes, homosexuality and bestiality. God and the context of the verse you tried to use was and is against all these things. it had nothing to do with over populating the earth as you tried to claim.
What you think your god is against is irrelevant in matters of civil law.

Shut up and sit down.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#11692 Oct 21, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Of course, the flaw in your logic is that you cannot provide any state interest served by designating other comsenting adult relationships, "marriage", beyond the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife that would render such an expansion constitutionally necessary, considering all men, and all women have the same right to marry.
GASP! Oh no! I guess you better inform the court. They obviously lack your legal expertise.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#11693 Oct 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>apparently xbreath and jonah do.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>well, according to recent california law, men can be lesbians.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-02/cali ...
"California would have the first state law permitting elementary and high school students to use bathrooms and join sports teams based on their gender identity, rather than their biological sex, under a bill going before Governor Jerry Brown."
"Federal law also guarantees transgendered students access to programs and facilities that fit their gender identity, Ilona Turner, legal director for the Transgender Law Center, said in an e-mailed response to questions."
and xbreath replied;
"You can't be THAT stupid."
and jonah's comment was;
"You certainly do love showing off how uneducated you are."
but really now, california law allows a man to say that he is a lesbian and we must give him special rights at the expense of everyone else's rights.
Well then, I would suggest you avoid California. You'd probably just be made fun of there anyway.

oh yeah.... p.s. Taking my responses out of context makes you appear less than honest.

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#11694 Oct 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>apparently xbreath and jonah do.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>well, according to recent california law, men can be lesbians.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-02/cali ...
"California would have the first state law permitting elementary and high school students to use bathrooms and join sports teams based on their gender identity, rather than their biological sex, under a bill going before Governor Jerry Brown."
"Federal law also guarantees transgendered students access to programs and facilities that fit their gender identity, Ilona Turner, legal director for the Transgender Law Center, said in an e-mailed response to questions."
and xbreath replied;
"You can't be THAT stupid."
and jonah's comment was;
"You certainly do love showing off how uneducated you are."
but really now, california law allows a man to say that he is a lesbian and we must give him special rights at the expense of everyone else's rights.
Why would a man say that he is a lesbian? How would such an act infringe any of your rights?

Are you kidding?

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#11695 Oct 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>rose, could you be more specific in your question. what you have responded to includes a conversation about gender identity issues.
this is the comment that you seem to be trying to make a point about:
"now we must "recognize" that a person who thinks they are a female in a male body somehow has special rights that trump everyone else's rights."
if you are asking about what special rights they are asking for i will be glad to answer. but really it is obvious if you simply follow the news.
do you want to go down this line of discussion?
I asked you days ago to present this "special right". Yet you've not responded. So yes, please do go down this line of discussion. How does a person using the bathroom that they identify with provide one sect of society a "special right". What right does a transgendered person have that you don't have barry?

Perhaps after you answer that, you could answer the other questions you've ignored.

1) You stated that gender identity and sexual orientation are related. Please provide the peer reviewed research that confirms this. In addition, please reference the cause/effect that one has on the other.

2) Since you've stated that gender identity and sexual orientation are related, please demonstrate what portion of the law addresses homosexuals specifically. You stated that according to the law, men can now be lesbians. Point out specifically where sexual orientation is referenced in this new law.

3) You keep stating that now YOU must "recognize" something. Please provide the exact verbiage from the state law that expressly notes how this law demands anything about your, or anyone elses, recognition.

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