Can white Africans be considered African American?

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Olive wrote:
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I don't give a damn if this is an open forum you still should not post here and neither should have Weskus.
LMAO - And again, who made you God? What exactly is a Mixed Zimbabwean living in the UK doing on an African AMERICAN forum.... espcially when you can stand Americans? Oh the irony.... Sorry I'm laughing to loud to continue....
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You know what I much prefer the English speaking whites how about that at least they treat me with courtesy and respect I have not once have I had problems with them because they have always been decent to me. By the way I am not Ebony or Real African who by the way is male. What are you doing here anyway.
Why did you flee South Africa is it because you could not handle black rule, don't judge me.
No way! Really? you prefer the English speaking whites? Wow that is so racist my dear Olive.... I prefer anyone who is not judgemental, kind and nice, no matter what colour, race or where they came from or even what they want to call themselves.
"don't judge me" in the same sentence you are judging me.... The irony .... must be lost on you (again)!
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Your comment was made in an (((OPEN-FORUM))), if you had wanted it to be private, you should have used some private text somewhere else.
So, go fúçk yourself, MØRØN.
::YOUR COMMENT WAS STILL USELESS DRIVEL::
If you read the fine print on Topix you will see Olive / Ruby the Mixed Zimbabwean, Real African or whatever she wants to call herself on any that day, is Ruler of Topix. She decides who can or who cannot post in what forum... and don't you cross her! LMAO she is just an angry,confused racist sitting spewing hate from her London computer! Best to ignore her but sometimes even I can't help myself to reply to her .... it's just too entertaining!
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I don't give a damn if this is an open forum you still should not post here and neither should have Weskus.
And exactly why is that... espcially when YOU (under the name of Real African) started the exact same thread under the Anglo American forum.... wow the pot calling the kettle any time soon?! LMAO ... apart from racist, hateful and just mean, I now have to include hypocrite when speaking to you.
So to sum it up, we are not allowed to post in the AA forum but you (although not even American) can post anywhere including the Anglo American forum, is that correct my dear Olive?
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Excuse you me bozo I don't hate white Americans OK so shut why don't you go post on the South African forum this forum is the African American forum in case you have not noticed and I don't hate the English speaking white South Africans either.
You see they have always treated me with courtesy and respect.
I would suggest you study the English white south African history. As they are the architects of white and black segregation. The English murdered more white and blacks south Africans than any Afrikaner ever did. If you research apartheid you'd see that 92% of all murders in that time, was due to black on black violence.During the anglo boer war the British placed blacks and whites in concentration camps. 15 000 black people died in those camps and 26 000 white women and children died in those camps. Your information about Afrikaners and your view about them is skewed. Apartheid was wrong but the British where monsters towards white and black people. Black people murdered their own people in a power struggle for control of South Africa,before apartheid,during apartheid and currently. Your view on Afrikaners are completely bias. Each group of people living in SA committed crimes against humanity. But in my opinion the crimes of the British and African tribes outweigh Afrikaners in the amount of lives lost. its estimated that 2000 blacks died during apartheid rule. meaning in 60 years only 2000 blacks died due to armed conflicts mostly MK terrorist groups clashing with the police. its a sharp contrast to today where there are 25 000 murders in South africa per year. 4000 farmers where murdered because of their race in 10 years of ANC rule. during apartheid black people had a life expectancy of 65 years now ue to HIV and crime its 35. Infant mortality rate under blacks went down almost ten fold during apartheid. The Afrikaners never wanted to ethnically cleanse south africa like the British wanted and the blacks are currently doing. If you are a non South African black you would be treated with hostility by South African black people.
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You know what I much prefer the English speaking whites how about that at least they treat me with courtesy and respect I have not once have I had problems with them because they have always been decent to me. By the way I am not Ebony or Real African who by the way is male. What are you doing here anyway.
Why did you flee South Africa is it because you could not handle black rule, don't judge me.
The fact that you can support oppressive systems means your not a person of peace. Your just as bad as the "oppressors" where. People flee for their safety,because their is a serious threat to their lives. Something you have never experienced. I did not flee i could not bare leaving my family behind. My wife is an american studying in the US. We where separated for 5 years before i decided to come to the USA. Please tell me why do you hate Afrikaners so much. List your reasons.

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I don't give a damn if this is an open forum you still should not post here and neither should have Weskus.
No rational person is swayed by whatever you deem worthy of a "damned" or not, you silly fool.

Obviously, you are nothing more than a laughably pathetic rétard, and your words are only useful as entertainment to me.

Has it not occurred to you yet that you are not an American and that by your retárded standards YOU should not be on this Forum!?

As for your absurd opinion that this Forum, which is dedicated to African-American issues, should only be utilized by African-Americans,

you are far off base.

This Forum was never meant solely for the African-American voice, or even to sequester African-Americans to a single forum,

but is instead simply dedicated to (((ISSUES)))of that nature.

Anyone who has a sober and rational(not simply racist) opinion concerning African-American issues may very well have an worthy say in this Forum.

It is the same as with the "Offbeat Forum".

You don't yourself have to be 'offbeat' in order to participate in that Forum, either.

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Can someone tell me what the hell is "Afrikaner"? Why don't this people just call themselves Dutch or something else rather than fusing "African" or "Afrikan" with "er" to fabricate a name for themselves? People have no pride anymore. Damn be happy with what you are. SMH.
because they not dutch, they can't speak dutch, have a different culture and morals basically it like say white people in america should call themselves english.

White south africans have no ties in europe and fought 2 wars to break free of those ties.
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And exactly why is that... espcially when YOU (under the name of Real African) started the exact same thread under the Anglo American forum.... wow the pot calling the kettle any time soon?! LMAO ... apart from racist, hateful and just mean, I now have to include hypocrite when speaking to you.
So to sum it up, we are not allowed to post in the AA forum but you (although not even American) can post anywhere including the Anglo American forum, is that correct my dear Olive?
You call my comments hateful and mean, look the reasons why I feel passionately why you Afrikaners should not be included as African Americans is because most of you are unrepentant about the past and hold an apartheid mindset to say so is not hate. I am not the only one who feels this way. OK then if someone calls me a kaffir, I am just suppose to ignore that and embrace him or her as a fellow African You will never understand. You are not African American because you are of European descent most of you don't even speak an African language here in London I never see any of your people interact with black African immigrants, but I have seen English speaking white South Africans with chat happily with blacks I have had friendly conversations with English speaking white South Africans and this has shaped my opinions.

Tell me something Weskus do you have any African American friends do you interact with any African Americans do you treat African Americans with with courtesy and respect.
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No rational person is swayed by whatever you deem worthy of a "damned" or not, you silly fool.
Obviously, you are nothing more than a laughably pathetic rétard, and your words are only useful as entertainment to me.
Has it not occurred to you yet that you are not an American and that by your retárded standards YOU should not be on this Forum!?
As for your absurd opinion that this Forum, which is dedicated to African-American issues, should only be utilized by African-Americans,
you are far off base.
This Forum was never meant solely for the African-American voice, or even to sequester African-Americans to a single forum,
but is instead simply dedicated to (((ISSUES)))of that nature.
Anyone who has a sober and rational(not simply racist) opinion concerning African-American issues may very well have an worthy say in this Forum.
It is the same as with the "Offbeat Forum".
You don't yourself have to be 'offbeat' in order to participate in that Forum, either.
Call me a retard to my face and my face will be last you ever see now go and boil your head.
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The fact that you can support oppressive systems means your not a person of peace. Your just as bad as the "oppressors" where. People flee for their safety,because their is a serious threat to their lives. Something you have never experienced. I did not flee i could not bare leaving my family behind. My wife is an american studying in the US. We where separated for 5 years before i decided to come to the USA. Please tell me why do you hate Afrikaners so much. List your reasons.
I will never support any oppressive system I believe in democracy I don't like any government that abuses the human rights of its citizens.

As for hating Afrikaners it is not a question of hate I just feel strongly that Afrikaners should not be included as African America mainly for political reason a view shared by many black people why are we called bigots,racist if we say you are not African or African American.

I was not always like this until two unpleasant experiences I had I have never mentioned this before on this forum.
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You call my comments hateful and mean, look the reasons why I feel passionately why you Afrikaners should not be included as African Americans is because most of you are unrepentant about the past and hold an apartheid mindset to say so is not hate.

You are correct, to say so is not hate it is ignorant. "most of you" according to whom? YOU?

I am not the only one who feels this way. OK then if someone calls me a kaffir, I am just suppose to ignore that and embrace him or her as a fellow African You will never understand. You are not African American because you are of European descent most of you don't even speak an African language here in London I never see any of your people interact with black African immigrants, but I have seen English speaking white South Africans with chat happily with blacks I have had friendly conversations with English speaking white South Africans and this has shaped my opinions.
Tell me something Weskus do you have any African American friends do you interact with any African Americans do you treat African Americans with with courtesy and respect.
My Poor little Olive if you can remember I told you last year when we were discussing this subject and why I am so against your hate, is that I am actually Married to an AA so yes my dear, I treat AA with courtesy, respect and love every day, seeing one is my hubby!

So now tell me.... do you treat white afrikaans Saffas with courtesy and respect ???
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My Poor little Olive if you can remember I told you last year when we were discussing this subject and why I am so against your hate, is that I am actually Married to an AA so yes my dear, I treat AA with courtesy, respect and love every day, seeing one is my hubby!
So now tell me.... do you treat white afrikaans Saffas with courtesy and respect ???
Whaat you are really married to an AA I always thought you were male put it this way if an Afrikaner treated me with courtesy and respect I would give them respect back does that answer your question.

Never in a million years did I think an Afrikaner would marry a African American. Like I wrote in a previous post I wasn't always like this. I still don't believe Afrikaners should claim African American as I don't think even blacks from Africa should however I do condemn the killing of Boer farmers I know you might not believe me but it is true.

OK then I am sorry if I caused you offense you came on here saying those nasty things about me a result I got aggravated and lashed out in revenge.
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Whaat you are really married to an AA I always thought you were male put it this way if an Afrikaner treated me with courtesy and respect I would give them respect back does that answer your question.
Never in a million years did I think an Afrikaner would marry a African American. Like I wrote in a previous post I wasn't always like this. I still don't believe Afrikaners should claim African American as I don't think even blacks from Africa should however I do condemn the killing of Boer farmers I know you might not believe me but it is true.
OK then I am sorry if I caused you offense you came on here saying those nasty things about me a result I got aggravated and lashed out in revenge.
Well my dear ignorance is realy bliss and maybe you just shouldn't think..... period. You and I have had this conversation for years now. I can't stand how you insult all Afrikaans people yet you have never been to SA! Catch a wake up! not all Afriaans people are racist - open your mind just a wee tad and maybe,just maybe you may learn something. Until you do that your racism will always control you.

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Whaat you are really married to an AA I always thought you were male put it this way if an Afrikaner treated me with courtesy and respect I would give them respect back does that answer your question.
Never in a million years did I think an Afrikaner would marry a African American. Like I wrote in a previous post I wasn't always like this. I still don't believe Afrikaners should claim African American as I don't think even blacks from Africa should however I do condemn the killing of Boer farmers I know you might not believe me but it is true.
OK then I am sorry if I caused you offense you came on here saying those nasty things about me a result I got aggravated and lashed out in revenge.
That is what is so appallingly typical of so many Blacks.

Your never truly civil to anyone unless they've proven themselves willing to breed with one of you.
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You call my comments hateful and mean, look the reasons why I feel passionately why you Afrikaners should not be included as African Americans is because most of you are unrepentant about the past and hold an apartheid mindset to say so is not hate. I am not the only one who feels this way. OK then if someone calls me a kaffir, I am just suppose to ignore that and embrace him or her as a fellow African You will never understand. You are not African American because you are of European descent most of you don't even speak an African language here in London I never see any of your people interact with black African immigrants, but I have seen English speaking white South Africans with chat happily with blacks I have had friendly conversations with English speaking white South Africans and this has shaped my opinions.
Tell me something Weskus do you have any African American friends do you interact with any African Americans do you treat African Americans with with courtesy and respect.
My English accent, is indistinguishable from an English South African. Yet my first language is Africans. You are stereotyping all Afrikaners. All Afrikaners i know are bilingual. Some even speaking 3-4 languages. If i had to be in the UK, obviously i would speak to a black person in English. Speaking Afrikaans to him would be of no help. How do you know the difference between an English South African and a Afrikaans South African. We both have accents, very different form British people. Do you smell it?
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Olive wrote:
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You call my comments hateful and mean, look the reasons why I feel passionately why you Afrikaners should not be included as African Americans is because most of you are unrepentant about the past and hold an apartheid mindset to say so is not hate. I am not the only one who feels this way. OK then if someone calls me a kaffir, I am just suppose to ignore that and embrace him or her as a fellow African You will never understand. You are not African American because you are of European descent most of you don't even speak an African language here in London I never see any of your people interact with black African immigrants, but I have seen English speaking white South Africans with chat happily with blacks I have had friendly conversations with English speaking white South Africans and this has shaped my opinions.
Tell me something Weskus do you have any African American friends do you interact with any African Americans do you treat African Americans with with courtesy and respect.
Your also stereotyping that most Afrikaners do not speak an African language. There are more Afrikaners who can speak African languages than the English over here. Most people i know can speak Sotho, Xhosa or Zulu. I used to speak Sotho fluently in my youth. But living in the city, away form Sotho people made my language skills rusty. I cant even speak Afrikaans as i used to. My great grandfather was a translator in court. He spoke 5 African languages. Also Afrikaans, is an African language. First invented by the Colored community. commonly referred to as kitchen Dutch
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Olive wrote:
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You call my comments hateful and mean, look the reasons why I feel passionately why you Afrikaners should not be included as African Americans is because most of you are unrepentant about the past and hold an apartheid mindset to say so is not hate. I am not the only one who feels this way. OK then if someone calls me a kaffir, I am just suppose to ignore that and embrace him or her as a fellow African You will never understand. You are not African American because you are of European descent most of you don't even speak an African language here in London I never see any of your people interact with black African immigrants, but I have seen English speaking white South Africans with chat happily with blacks I have had friendly conversations with English speaking white South Africans and this has shaped my opinions.
Tell me something Weskus do you have any African American friends do you interact with any African Americans do you treat African Americans with with courtesy and respect.
No we beat them with rods and shoot them on site. I told you in previous posts some of the most racist people behind closed doors i know are the English South Africans. They use the BEE system to enrich themselves with no care of the black worker they hire. Me and my family have many black friends. I also have friends that ive personally helped job hunting.When i lived in the cape i even had a colored GF. Saying a person has black friends is a stupid way to prove your not a racist. You need evidence which is difficult on a forum.
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I will never support any oppressive system I believe in democracy I don't like any government that abuses the human rights of its citizens.
As for hating Afrikaners it is not a question of hate I just feel strongly that Afrikaners should not be included as African America mainly for political reason a view shared by many black people why are we called bigots,racist if we say you are not African or African American.
I was not always like this until two unpleasant experiences I had I have never mentioned this before on this forum.
Yet u forget. The British murdered 11000 black people during the Anglo Boer war, in concentration camps. That's excluding the thousands that where killed during war time. You also forget that the British murdered 26000 white women and children in concentration camps during that time. They captured 30 000 white Afrikaner men and sent them to countries, they could not escape form to come back home. You ignore what the British have done competently. Did you know they invented concentration camps. Which soon after the Anglo Boer war, was used by the Germans in Namibia against Jews and blacks. The South African white people freed those imprisoned in Namibia and took over the country. You also ignore that during the apartheid era, 92% of those thousands and thousands of blacks who died. Was due to the ANC,PAC,MK clashing with the IFP and other groups. What about those crimes. Most black murders was due to black political parties, trying to make a power grab. When blacks 5 years ago attacked other blacks, due to xenophobia the whites along with other racial groups of South Africa where the only voice of reason. Lastly during apartheid the life expectancy of all south Africans was 65 years of age. Infant mortality under black people halved. Now it sits at 49 average life expectancy(just above chad, under Afghanistan, second last on the CIA list), with a high infant mortality rate. I hate that im pushed to defend apartheid, because i do not believe it was right. But if you can defend the new South African Government and the English and other murderers. i can defend a lesser evil.
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Olive wrote:
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Whaat you are really married to an AA I always thought you were male put it this way if an Afrikaner treated me with courtesy and respect I would give them respect back does that answer your question.
Never in a million years did I think an Afrikaner would marry a African American. Like I wrote in a previous post I wasn't always like this. I still don't believe Afrikaners should claim African American as I don't think even blacks from Africa should however I do condemn the killing of Boer farmers I know you might not believe me but it is true.
OK then I am sorry if I caused you offense you came on here saying those nasty things about me a result I got aggravated and lashed out in revenge.
Well Olive i can respect this post of ures i feel its sincere. I dont dislike black people, i love all people. But when i first saw ure post all i saw was hate towards me and Afrikaners and that made me angry. Currently in South Africa we are fighting a battle for equality and democracy, under the new ANC government. The regime is worse than the previous one. I feel along with many other South Africans, that its one step forward two steps back.The irony is most South Africans blame each other till this day. When we face the same problems under a corrupt, propagandist, communist political party, with the face of democracy. As to being African american i would never call myself that, unless its a joke. Im a South African who lives in America. One day ill be a South African american. I do however feel that whites, who have no where to go in South Africa have a right to call themselves what ever they want. The same right any other human has or should have. Their past misdeeds cant be held over their heads forever. ITs been 2 generations. Most of those who supported apartheid are long gone. I would like to know about the two unpleasant experiences uve had in the past. Ive had a couple, having friends murdered because of their color and being labeled as a hateful, racist, just because im a Afrikaner. Thats why i will not back down in a fight for equal rights for Afrikaners. Ive seen the horrors of the new South Africa. However i do not blame black people rather the political party in power.

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